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Lovetodream88 · 03-17-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by archonis

If a puppy meets the criteria and standards then great show it. No 1 should intentionally breed with in those standards. I think that is a Miss understanding because those standards are breeding your chars that are too small thus creating smaller dogs and more smaller dogs and this is creating more health problems. I do not think those standards were meant to be used in that fashion. Just my opinion

No what is creating the smaller dogs is bad breeders out there breeding 3 pound dogs.

Lovetodream88 · 03-17-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by archonis

Love to dream.... not to change subjects but I was looking at your AV. How big is your Yorkshire?

I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone's about breeding those are just my opinion.

My Yorkies is 16 pounds and I got her from a broker who got there puppy's from a puppy mill before I was educated. I love the bigger Yorkies but purposely breeding for them is good for the breed.

Lovetodream88 · 03-17-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MyLilMimi

I say go for it!!

I have grown up around yorkies my whole life. My aunt had a 9lb female. Bred it with a 4lb male. Had 4 puppies... All ended up around 5 - 6 pounds. One was about 8. They were the Best pups!!!!
Is that her in your Avatar?! PRECIOUS!!!

Did she do genetic testing and know the lines of the dogs she bred?

MyLilMimi · 03-17-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Did she do genetic testing and know the lines of the dogs she bred?

She sure did!!

archonis · 03-17-2013, 05:37 PM

The smaller you go the more problems they have because they where never ment to be that small. I'm no expert but even putting two 5# together can give you a 3#. Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that "standard " ofcourse that changes depending on what club you look at thus only proving my point.

archonis · 03-17-2013, 05:50 PM

She is beautiful BTW even at 16#

ladydispga · 03-17-2013, 05:58 PM

I agree you should do some research about breeding. She's on the larger size for a yorkie. Is she AKC registered? If not, then consider the reason why before you breed. Have her tested for genetic issues like LS (bile acid test) epilepsy, trekia problems etc.. if you still plan on breeding her find a smaller male, and make sure he too is not pre-dispositioned for genetic defects.

ladydispga · 03-17-2013, 06:06 PM

standard for AKC is 4-7lbs..sometimes 8..you don't want smaller, I know breeders who use their -4lb to 5lb males and nothing smaller than a 6lb female to get your 5-6lb range. anything smaller than 4lb is too small and your risk of having trecia or patella issues is extremely high.

archonis · 03-17-2013, 06:07 PM

She is akc. History shows at one time there where two types of yorkies large and small. Small being under 10 pounds. Large are rare now because they where no longer popular and this is also why I disagree with standards.

ladydispga · 03-17-2013, 06:14 PM

you are right 3 lb dogs are too tiny for any breed. but the yorkie is still suppose to be in the toy class. Breeding larger means somewhere in the line it was bred with something other than yorkie. Same with it being 3lbs, If you took a good look at a 3lbs yorkie they have the body stature of a chiahuahua.

archonis · 03-17-2013, 06:18 PM

Goes back to the original topic and breeding a 10 pound female. In my opinion you should not try to breed in those standards. That is altering their heritage and standards are show standards

ladydispga · 03-17-2013, 06:20 PM

yep you are right long time ago they were larger. I have a 2 I groom who are of an old line. But even though they are 12lbs they have wonderful confirmation. In one sense it is too bad you didnt have two classes. And I'm referring to those who breed now, i've seen some pretty funky looking yorkies. I have a neighbor who swears her dog is 100% yorkie, saw mom and dad, but he has longer ears and so they hang like a shih tsu, and oh yeah there is the duck feet he has..kinda like a shih tsu would...humm...

ladydispga · 03-17-2013, 06:22 PM

i agree, which goes back to her original question..I dont recommend her breeding either.

divinemissm · 03-17-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by archonis

Yes that is my baby not a very good photo but it is my baby.

You should breed based on an educated decision with the pedigrees and so on not because of size.

When I bred persians we had to breed to the breed standard which always meant a short muzzle and a stocky body and a very balanced animal I achieved a regional win for best of breed, with that said my vet would always have heated discussions with me telling me I was breeding freaks that did not look like cats and causing health problems like excess eye drainage and respritory problems and etc but I bred to the show standard to better the breed, as for yorkies I do not prefer a teacup yorkie I prefer a teapot yorkie my suri weighs eight pounds I wanted it that way I love her to death her temperament is great I love every thing about her but I dont intend to breed her, Millie

Lovetodream88 · 03-17-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by archonis

The smaller you go the more problems they have because they where never ment to be that small. I'm no expert but even putting two 5# together can give you a 3#. Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that "standard " ofcourse that changes depending on what club you look at thus only proving my point.

Standard just says not to exceed 7 pounds so a 3 pound Yorkies as far as weight goes is standard but two standard 5 pounds dog could make a pup that grows to 12 pounds and that is what it is but the 3 pound dog and 12 dog should not be breed the 12 pound dog because she is to big the 3 pound dog because no female under 5 pounds should be breed. But these dogs could also be off standard for others reasons like color. Reputable breeders don't normally give breeding rights to just any one and a good breeder is the only breeder you would want to get a dog your going to breed from because they will know the lines of there dogs but a reputable breeder who breeds to better the breed would never give those rights to a person who had one of her pups that she was expecting to be to small or to big. See people not following these rules and just putting two pure breed dogs together not caring about anything else is why we have so many dogs with no homes and so many dogs dogs that don't even look like the breed they are supposed to be let alone have massive health problems.

03-17-2013, 05:37 PM	#35
archonis Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: sanford Posts: 69	The smaller you go the more problems they have because they where never ment to be that small. I'm no expert but even putting two 5# together can give you a 3#. Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that "standard " ofcourse that changes depending on what club you look at thus only proving my point. __________________ -Mollys Dad Using speech to text on phone. Errors are not my fault

03-17-2013, 05:50 PM	#36
archonis Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: sanford Posts: 69	She is beautiful BTW even at 16# __________________ -Mollys Dad Using speech to text on phone. Errors are not my fault

03-17-2013, 06:07 PM	#39
archonis Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: sanford Posts: 69	She is akc. History shows at one time there where two types of yorkies large and small. Small being under 10 pounds. Large are rare now because they where no longer popular and this is also why I disagree with standards. __________________ -Mollys Dad Using speech to text on phone. Errors are not my fault

03-17-2013, 06:18 PM	#41
archonis Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: sanford Posts: 69	Goes back to the original topic and breeding a 10 pound female. In my opinion you should not try to breed in those standards. That is altering their heritage and standards are show standards __________________ -Mollys Dad Using speech to text on phone. Errors are not my fault

03-17-2013, 05:58 PM	#37
ladydispga Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kingsland, GA Posts: 10	I agree you should do some research about breeding. She's on the larger size for a yorkie. Is she AKC registered? If not, then consider the reason why before you breed. Have her tested for genetic issues like LS (bile acid test) epilepsy, trekia problems etc.. if you still plan on breeding her find a smaller male, and make sure he too is not pre-dispositioned for genetic defects.

03-17-2013, 06:06 PM	#38
ladydispga Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kingsland, GA Posts: 10	standard for AKC is 4-7lbs..sometimes 8..you don't want smaller, I know breeders who use their -4lb to 5lb males and nothing smaller than a 6lb female to get your 5-6lb range. anything smaller than 4lb is too small and your risk of having trecia or patella issues is extremely high.

03-17-2013, 06:14 PM	#40
ladydispga Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kingsland, GA Posts: 10	you are right 3 lb dogs are too tiny for any breed. but the yorkie is still suppose to be in the toy class. Breeding larger means somewhere in the line it was bred with something other than yorkie. Same with it being 3lbs, If you took a good look at a 3lbs yorkie they have the body stature of a chiahuahua.

03-17-2013, 06:20 PM	#42
ladydispga Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kingsland, GA Posts: 10	yep you are right long time ago they were larger. I have a 2 I groom who are of an old line. But even though they are 12lbs they have wonderful confirmation. In one sense it is too bad you didnt have two classes. And I'm referring to those who breed now, i've seen some pretty funky looking yorkies. I have a neighbor who swears her dog is 100% yorkie, saw mom and dad, but he has longer ears and so they hang like a shih tsu, and oh yeah there is the duck feet he has..kinda like a shih tsu would...humm...

03-17-2013, 06:22 PM	#43
ladydispga Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kingsland, GA Posts: 10	i agree, which goes back to her original question..I dont recommend her breeding either.