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[Yorkiemom1]

Everyone always seems to stop on the weight requirement as listed in the breed standard. Read the entire thing...it covers coat, conformation, color, ears, ear set, head shape, eyes, eye shape, mouth, muzzle, top line, gait, etc. There are no perfect dogs out there, but when you start breeding "to carry on a legacy", you need to have hit on well over half of the points outlined in the breed standard, at a minimum. To answer your question about having a Yorkie that weighs 9#, "will she be OK having puppies?" How large is her pelvic ring? Are her hormones all in balance so she can conceive and carry a litter to term? Does the lines she represents carry genetic issues? Next, you ask, "What size male should I look for?" Irrelevent (sp?) question. It is what is behind that male, in his pedigree, that will more accurately determine what size puppies he will contribute to the mix. Inexperienced breeders always think they need a smaller male.....that is only a VERY SMALL part of the equation. Finally, I would love to be able to "place my order" for the number of babies my female would have....."6 would be great, but I would prefer 4...."! If you can come up with the secret of this, without knowing what is behind the breeding pair, what litter sizes have notoriously been thrown by this pedigree and combination, please let me know! I am pretty good at predicting what my ladies are going to have, because I have a history with my breeders and my breeding pairs and I have a little knowledge of their pedigrees back at least 16 generations, some only 12 generations, and my blessed mentor knows these pedigrees back 35 generations....what I wouldnt give to have her knowledge about these dogs!!!!,....and yet, I just had a female that paired with the male she was paired with, usually have a litter of 5 babies....and she blessed me with ONE baby. So, with all the knowledge of what is going on with your breeding pair, your pedigrees, and the lines you are dealing with, you still get outliers. Your questions can not really be answered with any accuracy by members because not only do you not know anything about the history of your female, we dont either.....

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

I had this really long message road up then I got a text message and hit the wrong button on my phone.

I made the comment about no defense of replies because I'd rather than other threads Where are other breeders would put the original poster down and make him look like an idiot When all he had was a simple question. It was obvious the original poster did not know the 500 answers to the Breeders 500 questions so why even reply?

I think the point of my regional question was mis read. Let's not get breeding standards and pet standards confused. Correct me if I'm wrong. Show standard states that yorkie should not be no more than 7 pounds. Hey Yorkshire should not be no more than 10 pounds not for show. We should never breed a female under 5.

Let's not forget that AKC and all the other organizations are based for show not pet breeds. You can have to show quality dogs and still have offsprings that do not me show standards. The Off spring could have more health problems than any other puppy. I thought the point was to improve the nreed.


The original question was if it was safe because of her being almost nine pounds. This is pet not show.

The point is to carry on her legacy. She is akc and I do have her pedigree.

If you must know why I want to do this well here you go.

She is my ex wife's dog. My wife loves her very much she is smart and intelligent. She is everything a dog could be very playful and happy lovable just gorgeous. She is in very good health. My wife loves this dog very much. My wife has passed. She was killed in a car accident by drunk driver. My Molly is all I have left of her. Molly could die tomorrow. Getting another puppy to satisfy me is not the option or the point.

I have never read that a Yorkie should not exceed 10 pounds and I have read a lot about Yorkies so I would like to know where you got that info? Breeding is to better the breed and that means only excellent examples of the breed should be bred and if its an excellent example of the breed then it follows all the rules of a show Yorkie. She could also die giving birth and lose all the puppies as well then your left with nothing. I doubt your wife would have wanted you to risk her life. Just because a dog is a certain way and has a certain attitude does not mean the pups will too. We had our first dog she was a lab mix and my best friend we never bred her but eventually we got a beagle mix pup who she taught the pup a lot of her mannerisms and things she did and when he was 2 she had to be put down and the beagle mix carried her mannerisms for life and even taught my moms rescue Yorkie she got a few years ago some of the same things and when he had to be put down because of cancer it's still like having a little piece of all of them in this rescue yorkie. No dog will ever be the same as another and will never carry the same memories as another. They are all so different and that's what's so great about them. Please think about fixing your girl and then getting her a friend or brother or sister. I am very sorry about your wife.

[divinemissm]

Originally Posted by archonis

Too late to edit:

Let's not get show standards in Pet standards confused. The Yorkshire itself should not exceed 10 pounds. Show standard states that the Yorkshire must be below 7.

To answer your question yes you could breed her! And I do understand your thinking on why you want to breed Molly your wife loved her your wife has now passed so to have molly have pups would be like having something your wife loved carry on so to speak! First of all let me say how very very sorry I am for your loss and you have my deepest sympathy,but you have to understand that because molly has traits that you love so much the stud you use may not and genetically speaking the litters will usually have fifty percent mom and fifty percent dad depending on how many pups are born, I agree with the previous poster try and find another puppy or two from mollies lines.Millie

[archonis]

Yorkshire Terrier FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions About Yorkies

Actually a little research tells a lot and this is why I never did agree with organizations like AKC and there standards.

A true yorkie in its day was around 10 pounds. Infact there coat never was able to touch the floor.
as people started to try and make them smaller there coat never changed. This is why I did not agree with the person who said I shouldn't because she was over 7. The smaller you make them the more prone they are to health issues. Smaller is not better and in my opinion its not good for them.

Here is my problem with the standards. There ment for show dogs. Its not a true. Reputation of the yorkie. They where never ment to be that small. It was abnormal for them to have a litter with small ones but that's what ppl got use to and it became standard when its truly not the case. Those are just my opinion so knowing get defended. This is what research showed.

I always thought it was funny (no one here) always talking about improving the breed but yet there trying to make small ones. That's doing nothing but hurting the breed. If you want to better it then shoot for 10 pounds or more. The standards are what organizations think they should look like. I don't get it. Its not a true reputation of the Yorkshire terrier. It don't matter if its curly hair, tall, small, or what its still a Yorkshire.

[Yorkiemom1]

You are trying to change a breed that has been refined and bred to perfection for the last 100+ years....if you want a 10# dog with a shorter coat, get a beagle....I am not real sure it is to the "benefit of the breed" for you to single handedly, breed a Yorkie that, while in your belief, is a "perfect Yorkie, but has none of the characertistics of what a Yorkie should look like, or even be! This is a common argument of BYB and puppy mill breeders, who have a Yorkie that they want to breed, regardless of what kind of representation their "Yorkie" is of the breed....too large, sparse coated, course coat, long nose, wide set eyes, over/under bite, aggressive or apathetic attitude/personality...but it is THEIR yorkie, and they love it and they think it is exactly what ALL yorkies should be....so I am going to procreate my little back yard terrier, and make as many of them as I can possibly make, and throw them out into the breeding stream for others to breed and further destroy what has taken years and years of precise, knowledgable breeding to get what we have when you look at a Yorkie today". It is absolutely ludicrous to justify breeding a Yorkie that does NOT replicate the breed standard, because you do not like the breed standard! Every breed has a breed standard, a template, that sets forth what that breed looks like....when people decide they dont like the breed standard, and they start off the cuff breeding programs, because that is the best THEY have available, therefore it is good.....this is yet another BYB's excuse to reproduce a less than desirable Yorkie. We all have "teapots" that are absolutely adorable and lovable....I have several myself....but it would be unethical to use them for breeding purposes. I can assure you, breeders that are knowledgable and have been breeding for years, based on lines and pedigrees, as opposed to what they happen to have running around in the back yard, consistantly produce puppies that hit the breed standard, and do so without sacrificing their health!

[archonis]

I'm not a breeder n my post was completely mis read. It should be based on pure breed n not looks or what someone thinks it should look like. An original yorkies coat never touch the floor.

Breed based on purebred not to make it look like something it never really was supposed to.thus kind

I never said I had the perfect Yorkshire. No one does and I'm not a breeder.

Why do u think are American Bulldog and English bulldogs and so on? How do u think after thousands of years we have a new type of Yorkshire breed? Breeding is based on popularity and demand nowadays and that's wrong. White is still white. Black is still black regardless of the type of hair. I guess we should not allow anyone with red hair have kids.

[archonis]

The original question has been answered this topic was started because someone said I should not breed her because she is over 7 pounds.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

I'm not a breeder n my post was completely mis read. It should be based on pure breed n not looks or what someone thinks it should look like. An original yorkies coat never touch the floor.

Breed based on purebred not to make it look like something it never really was supposed to.thus kind

I never said I had the perfect Yorkshire. No one does and I'm not a breeder.

Why do u think are American Bulldog and English bulldogs and so on? How do u think after thousands of years we have a new type of Yorkshire breed? Breeding is based on popularity and demand nowadays and that's wrong. White is still white. Black is still black regardless of the type of hair. I guess we should not allow anyone with red hair have kids.

The original yorkies where over 10 pounds but the AKC standard which is what is supposed to be followed is not to exceed 7 pounds and that is what they should be bred to follow. if you dislike that standard try to change it and then when its changed breed your female if she follows all other parts of the standard. You say your not a breeder but if you breed your female you become a breeder and it is up to you how good a breed to become. Breeding is to better the breed and you can not better the breed if you do not stick to the standard. There is not pet standard it is all one standard.

[archonis]

You're missing the point. No 1 should be told they cannot breed there dog because it does not meet standards. Those standards are for show dogs. That is what they specialize in. In my opinion no 1 should have the right to say you can only breed a dog that fits this criteria.

If the dog is pure then why not? That's what is about right keeping it pure?

Intentionally breeding a dog for smaller size is wrong just to meet standards written by who? Someone who thinks the dogs should look like this? Yorkshire terrier will always carry the traits of a Yorkshire if it's getting breed by a Yorkshire. Yorkies where created by watersides and skyes. If everyone follow these standards then there will not be a Yorkie.

Just because she's not below 7 pounds doesn't make it right for someone to say no. This crate health problems thus not better in the breed.

[archonis]

If a puppy meets the criteria and standards then great show it. No 1 should intentionally breed with in those standards. I think that is a Miss understanding because those standards are breeding your chars that are too small thus creating smaller dogs and more smaller dogs and this is creating more health problems. I do not think those standards were meant to be used in that fashion. Just my opinion

[archonis]

Love to dream.... not to change subjects but I was looking at your AV. How big is your Yorkshire?

I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone's about breeding those are just my opinion.

[MyLilMimi]

Originally Posted by archonis

I had this really long message road up then I got a text message and hit the wrong button on my phone.

I made the comment about no defense of replies because I'd rather than other threads Where are other breeders would put the original poster down and make him look like an idiot When all he had was a simple question. It was obvious the original poster did not know the 500 answers to the Breeders 500 questions so why even reply?

I think the point of my regional question was mis read. Let's not get breeding standards and pet standards confused. Correct me if I'm wrong. Show standard states that yorkie should not be no more than 7 pounds. Hey Yorkshire should not be no more than 10 pounds not for show. We should never breed a female under 5.

Let's not forget that AKC and all the other organizations are based for show not pet breeds. You can have to show quality dogs and still have offsprings that do not me show standards. The Off spring could have more health problems than any other puppy. I thought the point was to improve the nreed.


The original question was if it was safe because of her being almost nine pounds. This is pet not show.

The point is to carry on her legacy. She is akc and I do have her pedigree.

If you must know why I want to do this well here you go.

She is my ex wife's dog. My wife loves her very much she is smart and intelligent. She is everything a dog could be very playful and happy lovable just gorgeous. She is in very good health. My wife loves this dog very much. My wife has passed. She was killed in a car accident by drunk driver. My Molly is all I have left of her. Molly could die tomorrow. Getting another puppy to satisfy me is not the option or the point.

I say go for it!!


I have grown up around yorkies my whole life. My aunt had a 9lb female. Bred it with a 4lb male. Had 4 puppies... All ended up around 5 - 6 pounds. One was about 8. They were the Best pups!!!!
Is that her in your Avatar?! PRECIOUS!!!

[archonis]

Yes that is my baby not a very good photo but it is my baby.

You should breed based on an educated decision with the pedigrees and so on not because of size.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

You're missing the point. No 1 should be told they cannot breed there dog because it does not meet standards. Those standards are for show dogs. That is what they specialize in. In my opinion no 1 should have the right to say you can only breed a dog that fits this criteria.

If the dog is pure then why not? That's what is about right keeping it pure?

Intentionally breeding a dog for smaller size is wrong just to meet standards written by who? Someone who thinks the dogs should look like this? Yorkshire terrier will always carry the traits of a Yorkshire if it's getting breed by a Yorkshire. Yorkies where created by watersides and skyes. If everyone follow these standards then there will not be a Yorkie.

Just because she's not below 7 pounds doesn't make it right for someone to say no. This crate health problems thus not better in the breed.

Breeding should be done to better the breed and that means following the standard. Many people think that pure with pure is ok to breed and that it's fine but its not and that is causing us to have many many Yorkies that look nothing like Yorkies and it is damaging to the breed. Do you even know your dogs lines? Not knowing the lines could end up causeing her to have a pup or puppies that could be born with illnesses that cause them pain and suffering. It's not just about that standard but the standard is there to keep the breed looking like Yorkies and not other breeds.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

Yes that is my baby not a very good photo but it is my baby.

You should breed based on an educated decision with the pedigrees and so on not because of size.

Well all reputable breeders, lovers of the breed, and the breed clubs would all disagree with you.