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Old 12-04-2010, 08:31 AM   #1
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I was talking to a lady the other day and for some reason something she said stuck with me. She told me she knows a local breeder and they're a "family business". Their family in mexico also breeds yorkies and flies the pups to the US to be sold. I'm assuming its so they can get more money for them in the US.

I'm really floored by this. After thinking about it, I'll bet it happens more often than we think along the border of the US. Its my understanding that mexico doesnt have laws regarding vaccinations like we do here. I dont know how true that is though.

Dont we already have a pet over population here without the bordering country sending their pups over here too? Not only that, but I couldnt imagine allowing someone else to sell my pups for me and have no idea who they even go to.
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I was talking to a lady the other day and for some reason something she said stuck with me. She told me she knows a local breeder and they're a "family business". Their family in mexico also breeds yorkies and flies the pups to the US to be sold. I'm assuming its so they can get more money for them in the US.

I'm really floored by this. After thinking about it, I'll bet it happens more often than we think along the border of the US. Its my understanding that mexico doesnt have laws regarding vaccinations like we do here. I dont know how true that is though.

Dont we already have a pet over population here without the bordering country sending their pups over here too? Not only that, but I couldnt imagine allowing someone else to sell my pups for me and have no idea who they even go to.
I dont like it either but understand the desparation of some in that country to make money however they can. With all the murdering by the cartel and people relocating in the country its all a matter of time before our Govt. has to step in and help them out but untill we do its anything goes
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Its really sad & freightening to watch the news over the drug cartels. I feel for the people in mexico
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It is very common for South American breeders to ship puppies here to south Florida to sell...$300 pups in SA, sell for 5 times or more here..
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Didn't some of the really great lines originate in other countries? Gotta take the good with the bad. Ban Mexico, ban all foreign countries.
Supply & Demand. I would imagine it's like all things people want, when American prices go beyond the country's living wage, then people will buy from other places. Be it a pup or a car or whatever. Stop the trade by having competing prices. Capitalist country we are.

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I, 100% believe in free enterprise...but buying a living animal is quite different IMO...much like buying drugs from other countries...there has to be regulations.
If I buy a radio from another country and it doesn't last but a week, I will be irked, but my heart and pocketbook will not be broken.

When animals are sent from countries with no regulations you can wind up with serious problems... just try and get your money or guarantee up held.

My vet said Marzipan and Dallas were the first Yorkies puppies he has seen in a long time that did not have hook worms when they went for their well puppy check...no ear mites and lice. I asked him what kind of breeders he was used to dealing with..and he said a large number were shipped in from SA...and if they charging $300 it might be ok..but to charge $1000 to $3000 is insane...then buyer puts another $1000 into getting them up to par...
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I, 100% believe in free enterprise...but buying a living animal is quite different IMO...much like buying drugs from other countries...there has to be regulations.
If I buy a radio from another country and it doesn't last but a week, I will be irked, but my heart and pocketbook will not be broken.

When animals are sent from countries with no regulations you can wind up with serious problems... just try and get your money or guarantee up held.

My vet said Marzipan and Dallas were the first Yorkies puppies he has seen in a long time that did not have hook worms when they went for their well puppy check...no ear mites and lice. I asked him what kind of breeders he was used to dealing with..and he said a large number were shipped in from SA...and if they charging $300 it might be ok..but to charge $1000 to $3000 is insane...then buyer puts another $1000 into getting them up to par...

Yep and I agree with people having to be careful where they are getting their puppies from. These are not pieces of furniture or electronics but a live animal. Support that sort of 'free enterprise' by buying their puppies from people who import from these foreign countries only keeps them in business. Don't buy them and it will stop it as they will then not have a market.
We have brokers here that import from Brazil, Korea, S. America. Sell for exhorbitant prices like $2000- $3500 and those puppies look like something is very wrong with them. buyer beware, you wont' get your money back and will have to deal with heartbreak watching a puppy die as you and your Vet are helpless to help it.
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Didn't some of the really great lines originate in other countries? Gotta take the good with the bad. Ban Mexico, ban all foreign countries.
Supply & Demand. I would imagine it's like all things people want, when American prices go beyond the country's living wage, then people will buy from other places. Be it a pup or a car or whatever. Stop the trade by having competing prices. Capitalist country we are.

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I agree. My boys' breeder imported their sire and dam from great lines in foreign countries.

No matter what Mexico's laws are regarding vaccinations/exportation, the pups would have to meet US import rules and regs. That's not to say that sick puppies aren't still imported. We can't even control the interstate commerce of sick puppies within our borders.
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I agree. My boys' breeder imported their sire and dam from great lines in foreign countries.

No matter what Mexico's laws are regarding vaccinations/exportation, the pups would have to meet US import rules and regs. That's not to say that sick puppies aren't still imported. We can't even control the interstate commerce of sick puppies within our borders.
But keep in mind foreign country breeders do not have contracts. They will sell to ANYONE. Some have been disfriended by reputable Canadian and US breeders on Facebook because they were selling dogs and puppies advertising on Facebook.
Many buy from foreign countries because reputable breeders in the US and Canada will not sell without contracts and without co ownership. Those that want to just breed do not want contracts and co ownership.
Unfortunately very good US and Canadian show breeders trusted people they should not have that are abroad. And those lines are what breeders who do not want contracts etc in Canada and the US are wanting to get a hold of and do it through Europe, S. America, Mexico.
Some breeders in Europe have quite nice dogs I think but you cannot tell the story from the pictures, you would have to see them, conformation, movement, temperment, size, what is the coat really like. That cannot be discerned from a picture.
Personally, I would never buy a dog from someone that I do not know, haven't seen their dogs myself. I see some pretty sorry representatives of the breed show up in the show rings here that were purchased overseas as show dogs. Show dogs, they are not!
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But keep in mind foreign country breeders do not have contracts. They will sell to ANYONE. Some have been disfriended by reputable Canadian and US breeders on Facebook because they were selling dogs and puppies advertising on Facebook.
Many buy from foreign countries because reputable breeders in the US and Canada will not sell without contracts and without co ownership. Those that want to just breed do not want contracts and co ownership.
Unfortunately very good US and Canadian show breeders trusted people they should not have that are abroad. And those lines are what breeders who do not want contracts etc in Canada and the US are wanting to get a hold of and do it through Europe, S. America, Mexico.
Some breeders in Europe have quite nice dogs I think but you cannot tell the story from the pictures, you would have to see them, conformation, movement, temperment, size, what is the coat really like. That cannot be discerned from a picture.
Personally, I would never buy a dog from someone that I do not know, haven't seen their dogs myself. I see some pretty sorry representatives of the breed show up in the show rings here that were purchased overseas as show dogs. Show dogs, they are not!
The top kennels in the world all sell without contracts to the US?

I don't know how my boys' breeder went about selecting/purchasing her dogs, but I will say the results were great. When their sire finished his championship, I read observations by other show people who all said he was an excellent representative of the breed. The consensus was that he was deserving.
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[QUOTE=Maximo;3347311]I agree. My boys' breeder imported their sire and dam from great lines in foreign countries.

No matter what Mexico's laws are regarding vaccinations/exportation, the pups would have to meet US import rules and regs. That's not to say that sick puppies aren't still imported. We can't even control the interstate commerce of sick puppies within our borders. [/QUOT

There are reputable show breeders all over the world...these are not the breeders causing the problems we see...it is the BYBer's who send relatives dogs of questionable breeding and health to resell...
You do not need any vet certs if you bring a litter in the cabin with you...it is easy to put 4 small Yorkies in a carrier...and that is exactly what the vet said the breeder did...visited her family in Brazil, brought back 4 pups with no documents from any vet...pups were 9 weeks, full of hooks worms, lice and ear mites.
I have never been asked for a health document when I take my dogs in the cabin of the plane...I recently sent a Yorkie to the west coast...airline did not ask for health cert..I gave it to the clerk and he said...don't need it, but I will enclose whatever you want to send with the dog...Alaska airlines.

These types breeders are no competion to reputable breeders because the prices are so high...a $1500/1800 pet from a reputable, well known breeder looks like a bargain...and they are grabbed up.
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There are reputable show breeders all over the world...these are not the breeders causing the problems we see...it is the BYBer's who send relatives dogs of questionable breeding and health to resell...
You do not need any vet certs if you bring a litter in the cabin with you...it is easy to put 4 small Yorkies in a carrier...and that is exactly what the vet said the breeder did...visited her family in Brazil, brought back 4 pups with no documents from any vet...pups were 9 weeks, full of hooks worms, lice and ear mites.
I have never been asked for a health document when I take my dogs in the cabin of the plane...I recently sent a Yorkie to the west coast...airline did not ask for health cert..I gave it to the clerk and he said...don't need it, but I will enclose whatever you want to send with the dog...Alaska airlines.

These types breeders are no competion to reputable breeders because the prices are so high...a $1500/1800 pet from a reputable, well known breeder looks like a bargain...and they are grabbed up.
US Customs allows these pups to come into the country, no questions asked? I am shocked if that is the case.
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US Customs allows these pups to come into the country, no questions asked? I am shocked if that is the case.
I doubt it. I looked into what it took to take Kaji to Mexico with me (before my aunt passed away). I have to apply for a puppy passport for the trip. It included health test and vaccinations that were required and he had to be a certain age to travel. When having a dog come from Mexico (not South America, that's further south ) they would have to follow US rules, not Mexican rules, when doing so on the up and up. There are rules in place going both ways.
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The top kennels in the world all sell without contracts to the US?

I don't know how my boys' breeder went about selecting/purchasing her dogs, but I will say the results were great. When their sire finished his championship, I read observations by other show people who all said he was an excellent representative of the breed. The consensus was that he was deserving.
In most foreign countries contracts are illegal because dogs and any animal is considered a commodity like selling someone a car then telling them what they can or cannot do with it. Even if there were a contract they are unenforcable.
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