is my yorkie pregnate

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by sashazx75

...the father is akc and ckc registered and i have seen his papers and his background also carol has been breeding yorkies for many yrs and has been helping along and we also deal with the same vet and her dog had all of the test done hips,eyes etc as my yorkie did when she was younger cause of the bad experience i had with the first one no i have never bred a yorkie before that's why i came on here for advice along with a well know breeder in my area and my vets and my yorkie is going to be beside me in her whelping box in case she has them in the night..and yes i am prepared for the cost if anything goes wrong but praying it doesn't i was scared because of the horror stories and is why i joined here to get advice not bashed and to calm my nerves not peak them in overdrive..

This is the same person that lost her female because she didn't have her x-rayed prior to her having her pups? Mmmmmmm. Just because a dog is AKC does not make it a good representation of the breed. A breeder that sells a dog with open registration to a newbie is not a breeder I would dealing with......

Hips and knees (OFA'd) are invalid prior to the age of 2........But, evidently you've done your research.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

I am just the opposite. I am very calm with my own litters it's just anyone else's I get nervous about.

In a previous life I was an RN. Worked in Pediatrics....I worked with terminal children, burned children, broken limbs, you name it. Calm and cool as collected. But, let one of my kids prick their finger and a bit of blood spurts out.....I go unglued....go figure.

When whelping time is near. I'm close buy, but my husband kicks me out of the room until a bubble appears.....then I'm hands on. He's very calm and cool, but doesn't recognize the danger signs....so, we work well together.

[maggiesmom_2007]

it's good to have someone who works well with you during those times. My hubby will not come anywhere near the whelping room.

[RachelandSadie]

i just wanted to say that BAMA had it right. no one is bashing you, we're educating you. you just don't want to hear it. if you've only bred one dog ONE time that's NOT experience. if you've read every stinkin' book on the planet about breeding that's NOT enough experience....a vet doesn't go into a surgery after reading 100 books about doing it...they work with another vet and watch and learn and then start to do it themselves alongside another vet until they really really get it....

research is one thing...experience is another. if you wanted to breed that's fine, but you should have mentored under a very experienced and "reputable" breeder that's done this for many years with the right ethics and perfection. and your reasons for breeding are all wrong. it isn't just because you want a pup from ur bitch and it isn't just because you wanted another puppy at all. it's for the betterment and future security of the Yorkie breed. to help establish perfection in your bloodlines and create as close to perfect dogs as you can. AKC or not, it's about perfection NOT about wanting another puppy. look at a shelter or yorkie rescue and go open their freezer door to the rotting smell of hundreds of dogs that are put down daily, weekly, or monthly because someone like you tried to breed puppies and couldn't sell them and they went to a shelter. if you wanted a puppy go find one in a shelter. don't risk ur dog's life on a ONE TIME experience with breeding for a new puppy. that's selfish, foolish, and uneducated and nothing you say on here and no amount of defensiveness will make any of the veteran members feel better about you or your situation. understood?

furthermore, as a receptionist at a vet's office i have to check the said "freezer" daily and i can tell you that though some are old dogs that's time had come, a lot of the dogs laying in trash bags in that freezer are the unfortunate cases of a breeding gone wrong or a dog from the local shelter that was labeled as "unadoptable" let that sink in a bit. bodies of dogs that no one wants. it hurts and it's awful, but that's the reality and the weight a person carries when they make irresponsible choices with dog's lives.

[maggiesmom_2007]

[sashazx75]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

How about this advice offerred by the original poster. Telling someone to breed unethically. To go against the request of the breeder and breed the dog. Not having a clue as to why breeders request a dog not to be bred.

if he's not registered then i don't see a problem some breeders don't want you breeding cause they want to keep the same line or something but check out to see if there's any health problems in the background and if not i would say she should of made a contract up saying that and if there wasn't one made up then gl go for it

But then of course breeding your own dog for the experience and because the wanted another pup so why not get one out of her (her female yorkie).

I don't think you're going to get any answers to any of your questions. Just talking to a vet and them telling you that your dog is ok to breed, is definately a good reason for someone to proceed with a breeding...........pleazzzzzzzzzz

...pleazzzzzzzzz give me a break you had to start somewhere and i bet when u started out you didn't know diddly squat and you learned as you went along..the vet did the hip test,eyes and blood tests then he said everything was ok he's a vet so he should more he has a degree in medicine more then you and that other thing was just my opioion everyone has there own opion...you must be 1 of these breeders that after your female is done breeding gets rid of them as if to say your no use to me now i couldn't do that they r family so leave me alone or i will report u getting so tired of immature ppl like you that feels joy in bashing ppl and making them miserable you must have a boring life so enough

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by sashazx75

...pleazzzzzzzzz give me a break you had to start somewhere and i bet when u started out you didn't know diddly squat and you learned as you went along..the vet did the hip test,eyes and blood tests then he said everything was ok he's a vet so he should more he has a degree in medicine more then you and that other thing was just my opioion everyone has there own opion...you must be 1 of these breeders that after your female is done breeding gets rid of them as if to say your no use to me now i couldn't do that they r family so leave me alone or i will report u getting so tired of immature ppl like you that feels joy in bashing ppl and making them miserable you must have a boring life so enough

Absolutely not.....I began, by buying two pet yorkies (not for breeding), joined a breed club because I wanted to learn more about the breed. Began attending dog shows. Talking to exhibitors, helping them out. Got bit by the show bug. Began researching pedigrees in search for a quality dog to show. Found my breeder, by the way who is my mentor. Attended canine genetic classes, breeding and whelping seminars. Under my mentor's training learned everything yorkie. Traveled with her to dog shows, learned pedigrees, training, grooming and presenting a dog before she ever consented to selling me a dog. As she wanted to know that my heart was in the right place, in the best interest of the breed. I assisted her in several whelpings, learned the whelping process, docking tails, removing dew claws, raising a litter. I finished 3 Champions before my mentor even allowed me near a whelping box. And when I finally bred my girl, it was with the knowledge I was breeding her to the best of the best. I didn't do it on my own, with suitcase and my girl in hand I was at my breeders doorstep and there I remained until my girl whelped. I was by no means going to take the life of this beautiful girl my breeder intrusted me with into my own hands.......So sorry to disappoint you.

I'll have you know my dogs stay with me for the rest of their lifes. But, then I don't breed for the purpose of selling puppies or for the experience. I breed to improve the breed, for my next Champion to add to my breeding program.

A vet does go to school to learn cainine medicine. But, any vet worth their weight keeps breeders that are breed specific, experienced breeders in their rolodex and turn to them when there is breed specific questions. I know my vet does. Even though he owns one of my breeders dogs, he has her # on speed dial.

Bashing people, no I don't but, I am blunt and only have the best interest of the breed at heart. They come first. You on the other hand are going to do what you are going to do.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by sashazx75

...pleazzzzzzzzz give me a break you had to start somewhere and i bet when u started out you didn't know diddly squat and you learned as you went along..the vet did the hip test,eyes and blood tests then he said everything was ok he's a vet so he should more he has a degree in medicine more then you and that other thing was just my opioion everyone has there own opion...you must be 1 of these breeders that after your female is done breeding gets rid of them as if to say your no use to me now i couldn't do that they r family so leave me alone or i will report u getting so tired of immature ppl like you that feels joy in bashing ppl and making them miserable you must have a boring life so enough

As far as reporting, how childish. There is no bashing going on, just telling you how things are done correctly.

[WinstonMom]

Sashazx75,

You really need to calm down now and prepare yourself the best you can for the whelp. Your little girl is counting on you and if you are upset, she will be as well. I am always amazed by people who feel that someone has been rude to them and then they turn around and be even more rude in return. I have gone back and re-read this entire thread and you have not really made any posts that would lead people to believe that you have any real experience with the breeding of yorkshire terriers and judging from what you have said about your mentor losing a bitch due to not having an x-ray, doesn't really prompt any confidence in her either. I pray that you do not have any problems with the whelping. Make sure that your vet is available to you 24/7 and please call him or her should you have any problems. You can also post your concerns during whelping on this website and judging from the past, the very same people that you are now being so rude to, will most likely be here to assist you.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As far as reporting, how childish. There is no bashing going on, just telling you how things are done correctly.

Reporting, to who????

[gemy]

Originally Posted by sashazx75

...pleazzzzzzzzz give me a break you had to start somewhere and i bet when u started out you didn't know diddly squat and you learned as you went along..the vet did the hip test,eyes and blood tests then he said everything was ok he's a vet so he should more he has a degree in medicine more then you and that other thing was just my opioion everyone has there own opion...you must be 1 of these breeders that after your female is done breeding gets rid of them as if to say your no use to me now i couldn't do that they r family so leave me alone or i will report u getting so tired of immature ppl like you that feels joy in bashing ppl and making them miserable you must have a boring life so enough

Sasha: a general vet maybe able to xrays hips, and examine eyes, but is not a qualififed expert to evaluate the results. The Xrays to have meaning must go to either OVC in Canada or OFA in the USA. And by the way more meaningfull for Yorkies is knees, and elbows, although nothing wrong with getting hips done. Eyes - just what test did the vet do? Only an opthamologist for dogs is licensed to evaluate on the two major eye problems for dogs- so do you have a CERF # for your dog? Have you done heart and thryoid?

Sasha what is done is done. Your bitch is pregnant - just understand that it seems there is much you truly didn't understand before breeding your bitch. We all hope for a safe whelp and healthy puppies. I personnally hope that you will stand behind the puppies you have bred and offer contracts that include a financial responsibility on your part for genetic defects.

Sasha: Mardelin and others were not bashing you, they were trying to share information and advice in a clear manner and in a way that could penetrate meaningfully to you.

Ethical, responsible breeders such as Mardelin never get rid of their matured females, they with much dedication and research lovingly place their females in trusted homes.


In closing once again I wish you and your bitch a safe whelp and healthy puppies

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Absolutely not.....I began, by buying two pet yorkies (not for breeding), joined a breed club because I wanted to learn more about the breed. Began attending dog shows. Talking to exhibitors, helping them out. Got bit by the show bug. Began researching pedigrees in search for a quality dog to show. Found my breeder, by the way who is my mentor. Attended canine genetic classes, breeding and whelping seminars. Under my mentor's training learned everything yorkie. Traveled with her to dog shows, learned pedigrees, training, grooming and presenting a dog before she ever consented to selling me a dog. As she wanted to know that my heart was in the right place, in the best interest of the breed. I assisted her in several whelpings, learned the whelping process, docking tails, removing dew claws, raising a litter. I finished 3 Champions before my mentor even allowed me near a whelping box. And when I finally bred my girl, it was with the knowledge I was breeding her to the best of the best. I didn't do it on my own, with suitcase and my girl in hand I was at my breeders doorstep and there I remained until my girl whelped. I was by no means going to take the life of this beautiful girl my breeder intrusted me with into my own hands.......So sorry to disappoint you.

I'll have you know my dogs stay with me for the rest of their lifes. But, then I don't breed for the purpose of selling puppies or for the experience. I breed to improve the breed, for my next Champion to add to my breeding program.

A vet does go to school to learn cainine medicine. But, any vet worth their weight keeps breeders that are breed specific, experienced breeders in their rolodex and turn to them when there is breed specific questions. I know my vet does. Even though he owns one of my breeders dogs, he has her # on speed dial.

Bashing people, no I don't but, I am blunt and only have the best interest of the breed at heart. They come first. You on the other hand are going to do what you are going to do.

to the OP, if you read this I sure hope you take back everything you just said. it's like you are spitting nails at one of the most respected breeders on here. it's obvious that you don't really have the experience or research and now that everyone on here can see that you are gettin more and more irate and defensive. let me mention i was in your boat once before where i thought everyone was attacking me. i took a break from YT for awhile and then came back with a new view and attitude. they were all 100% right and they were just trying to save me from a bad situation. i was blessed that my situation worked out ok, but i should have listened to them and now i know better and i agree with everything they say. they aren't here to hurt you or upset you, they are being realistic and trying to save you from a mistake or problem they can see and you cannot. they have much more experience than you and they are the next closest thing to experts in breeding and raising yorkies. if you didn't want their advice then don't ask for it because they will not tell you what you want to hear, we will all tell you what you need to hear whether you like it or not.

i hope that at some point no matter how angry you are getting that this is all sinking in a bit and you will eventually wake up and see that everyone was just telling you the truth and were right. sorry you feel so threatened but i'm not here to cradle you and tell you to go breed for fun. i'm here to get you to wake up and realize the weight of your decisions.

[gemy]

[QUOTE=RachelandSadie;3169595]to the OP, if you read this I sure hope you take back everything you just said. it's like you are spitting nails at one of the most respected breeders on here. it's obvious that you don't really have the experience or research and now that everyone on here can see that you are gettin more and more irate and defensive. let me mention i was in your boat once before where i thought everyone was attacking me. i took a break from YT for awhile and then came back with a new view and attitude. they were all 100% right and they were just trying to save me from a bad situation. i was blessed that my situation worked out ok, but i should have listened to them and now i know better and i agree with everything they say. they aren't here to hurt you or upset you, they are being realistic and trying to save you from a mistake or problem they can see and you cannot. they have much more experience than you and they are the next closest thing to experts in breeding and raising yorkies. if you didn't want their advice then don't ask for it because they will not tell you what you want to hear, we will all tell you what you need to hear whether you like it or not.

i hope that at some point no matter how angry you are getting that this is all sinking in a bit and you will eventually wake up and see that everyone was just telling you the truth and were right. sorry you feel so threatened but i'm not here to cradle you and tell you to go breed for fun. i'm here to get you to wake up and realize the weight of your decisions.[/QUOTE]

So very well put. Thank you

[BamaFan121s]

Yes, everyone starts somewhere. (I always laugh when I see that thrown out there as someone's defense and justification for what they are doing.)

Those who can be considered REPUTABLE and ETHICAL breeders start by being mentored, learning and researching the breed and it's standard, getting involved and first hand experience BEFORE they ever breed their own first litter. Then there are those who breed without any REAL experience or clue what they are doing who figure they'll just learn as they go and try, poorly, to justify it by claiming that "everyone started somewhere."

[MaddiesMommie]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes, everyone starts somewhere. (I always laugh when I see that thrown out there as someone's defense and justification for what they are doing.)

Those who can be considered REPUTABLE and ETHICAL breeders start by being mentored, learning and researching the breed and it's standard, getting involved and first hand experience BEFORE they ever breed their own first litter. Then there are those who breed without any REAL experience or clue what they are doing who figure they'll just learn as they go and try, poorly, to justify it by claiming that "everyone started somewhere."

excellent post. I hate seeing people come here AFTER they have bred their dog and then decide to seek advice.