I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Breezeaway]

All the ifs, ands or buts doesn't matter , the one constant proof is in the pedigrees. Both the Biewer and the Nikkos line of Parti's Do go back to Streamglen. It is in recorded pedigrees and that cannot be changed. Some other parti lines trace back to Wildweir, some to Durrer and few others. Now whether the Biewers mixed something in, who knows for sure? But it is my belief that the Parti-colored Yorkie is true 100% Yorkshire Terrier. One of our club members talked with Gloria Lipman(Nikkos Kennels) personally and there was NO other breed mixed in the Nikkos line and she had the dogs DNA'd to prove this. AKC closed her down for months during this process and she was out alot of money to get this done so that they could be registered with their true color stated on the papers and not just say blue and tan.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Why not? So only American breeders destroyed off color dogs..I doubt that.

where here has evab said american breeders destroyed dogs? your point?

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

All the ifs, ands or buts doesn't matter , the one constant proof is in the pedigrees. Both the Biewer and the Nikkos line of Parti's Do go back to Streamglen. It is in recorded pedigrees and that cannot be changed. Some other parti lines trace back to Wildweir, some to Durrer and few others. Now whether the Biewers mixed something in, who knows for sure? But it is my belief that the Parti-colored Yorkie is true 100% Yorkshire Terrier. One of our club members talked with Gloria Lipman(Nikkos Kennels) personally and there was NO other breed mixed in the Nikkos line and she had the dogs DNA'd to prove this. AKC closed her down for months during this process and she was out alot of money to get this done so that they could be registered with their true color stated on the papers and not just say blue and tan.

sorry breezeaway, i don't buy that....dogs were imported from england in those breeding lines, at that time they were not dna tested, identifications were not as tight as they are today. if you only take a dna test from a dog and parents...where is the ancestry proof..a pedigree...is a piece of paper only.....

as i also read on your web site some weeks ago Nikkos Rolls Royce Ashley won Crufts... when it was confirmed on another forum by the UK Kennel club that they had never heard of him and he had never won at crufts you have since changed your site, so anyone can make a mistake. hope this helps

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by evab

Hi I think you are spot on here to some extent, promote being the word, but don't under stand what you mean by in the making of white yorkies, do you mean in the USA & germany, as we don't have any here in the UK ...
I have found the link to UKKC if you want to take a peek about the maltese going into the breed at some stage though, but you have already covered that...

The Kennel Club

I was replying to livingdustmops and asked if she could provide where she found her information from, when she said, "If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds."

I have found no info on breeders trying to "create" or "make" white yorkies in the early 1900's, only reference to breeders trying to promote the white yorkshires (because they were being born in traditional litters). I was just asking if she could tell us where she found her info on early white yorkies.

In reference to your stating that there are no parti's in the UK, I did post a link to a thread from early 2008, about a breeder in the UK who had a litter with parti pups ... Just because you don't hear of parti being born in the UK, does not mean that it doesn't happen ... because it does and has happened ;-)

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by mistique57

sorry breezeaway, i don't buy that....dogs were imported from england in those breeding lines, at that time they were not dna tested, identifications were not as tight as they are today. if you only take a dna test from a dog and parents...where is the ancestry proof..a pedigree...is a piece of paper only.....

as i also read on your web site some weeks ago Nikkos Rolls Royce Ashley won Crufts... when it was confirmed on another forum by the UK Kennel club that they had never heard of him and he had never won at crufts you have since changed your site, so anyone can make a mistake. hope this helps

Just what is your hangup with Crufts? Yes, someone sent that info to me and I posted it but I have taken it off for the time being. I have contacted Crufts and they are looking into it as maybe being a Junior title( best breed), anyway AKC is sending me all his Champion stats so the correct info will be posted when I get it. Why are you making such a big deal out of? What do you want me to do get on my knees and beg forgiveness. Geeesh get over it.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I was replying to livingdustmops and asked if she could provide where she found her information from, when she said, "If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds."

I have found no info on breeders trying to "create" or "make" white yorkies in the early 1900's, only reference to breeders trying to promote the white yorkshires (because they were being born in traditional litters). I was just asking if she could tell us where she found her info on early white yorkies.

In reference to your stating that there are no parti's in the UK, I did post a link to a thread from early 2008, about a breeder in the UK who had a litter with parti pups ... Just because you don't hear of parti being born in the UK, does not mean that it doesn't happen ... because it does and has happened ;-)

Hiya pinehaven your ref to breeder's in the uk having partie yorkie's.for sale in 2008.We did infact have byb here in the uk,
trying to sell parti.biewer/splitter with a price tag of £450 for a splitter upto £2,000 for a biewer these breeder's have since been taken off all internet dog selling site's here in the uk as they had created a biewer/parti look a like by using the yorkshire terrier/shih tzu/maltese terrier,These breeder's have been repoted to the uk tradeing standard's for selling something that is not.It has been confirmed there have been NO BIEWER'S imported to the uk.
I hope this help's.

[mistique57]

[QUOTE=Breezeaway;3020855]Just what is your hangup with Crufts? Yes, someone sent that info to me and I posted it but I have taken it off for the time being. I have contacted Crufts and they are looking into it as maybe being a Junior title( best breed), anyway AKC is sending me all his Champion stats so the correct info will be posted when I get it. Why are you making such a big deal out of? What do you want me to do get on my knees and beg forgiveness. Geeesh get over it.[/QUOTE

Oh dear breezaway,I did not mean to upset you and i don't think i have said anything wrong for you to be so defensive with me,I mearly said someone did check out what you had said about nikos rolls royce ashley winning cruft's on your web site and that the uk kennel club had confirmed they have never heard of him,So i don't see how they can say they will look into this and maybe place him junior title (best breed)May i ask what colour was he.I am only passing information the same as you have hun.
I don't mean to step on toes here but it is good that the public get other people's view's and knowledge on this breed don't you think.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by mistique57

Hiya pinehaven your ref to breeder's in the uk having partie yorkie's.for sale in 2008.We did infact have byb here in the uk,
trying to sell parti.biewer/splitter with a price tag of £450 for a splitter upto £2,000 for a biewer these breeder's have since been taken off all internet dog selling site's here in the uk as they had created a biewer/parti look a like by using the yorkshire terrier/shih tzu/maltese terrier,These breeder's have been repoted to the uk tradeing standard's for selling something that is not.It has been confirmed there have been NO BIEWER'S imported to the uk.
I hope this help's.

Hiya to you too!

No, I didn't refer to "breeders in the UK having parti yorkies for sale in 2008" ... I guess you didn't read the entire thread that I posted? It was one UK breeder who came to YT because they had a traditional litter with a few parti's in it and they were unsure what to do or how could it be? They were very surprised; they didn't know if they could be registered; they came here asking questions and wondering if any one else had seen black, white and tan pups in their litters before. They didn't advertise them for sale - they came here for help.

Are you're assuming that this one case is the same case that you "reported to the UK Trading standards for selling something that it is not"?

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Hiya to you too!

No, I didn't refer to "breeders in the UK having parti yorkies for sale in 2008" ... I guess you didn't read the entire thread that I posted? It was one UK breeder who came to YT because they had a traditional litter with a few parti's in it and they were unsure what to do or how could it be? They were very surprised; they didn't know if they could be registered; they came here asking questions and wondering if any one else had seen black, white and tan pups in their litters before. They didn't advertise them for sale - they came here for help.

Are you're assuming that this one case is the same case that you "reported to the UK Trading standards for selling something that it is not"?

LOL,pinehaven sorry hun i am new at this so finding my feet sorry i thought you meant uk breeder's selling here in the uk,Well as i said we have had byb here trying to create this breed and they do now look like the real deal they have also tried getting paper's for them from a club in germany this club did sell them some paper's but have since retracted what they have done,So no doubt now there will be many many puppies being born with white in them these breeder's over here have been trying to perfect the biewer for several year's now useing other bree's in the mix and seem to be suceeding,But they are a man made creation here in the uk as no biewer/parti have ever been imported here.
Sorry again for the mix up,lol.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by mistique57

LOL,pinehaven sorry hun i am new at this so finding my feet sorry i thought you meant uk breeder's selling here in the uk,Well as i said we have had byb here trying to create this breed and they do now look like the real deal they have also tried getting paper's for them from a club in germany this club did sell them some paper's but have since retracted what they have done,So no doubt now there will be many many puppies being born with white in them these breeder's over here have been trying to perfect the biewer for several year's now useing other bree's in the mix and seem to be suceeding,But they are a man made creation here in the uk as no biewer/parti have ever been imported here.
Sorry again for the mix up,lol.

Hey, I found the photos of the parti pups born in the UK ... here's the link

YorkieTalk.com Photo Gallery - poppyalfie Gallery - Powered by PhotoPost

I'm pretty sure he also sent me pedigrees of his dogs but Lord only knows where they may be in my old computer!

[Woogie Man]

Here's a Parti girl for sale in the U.K.

parti yorkie little girl. pedigree. - Yorkshire Terrier Puppy for Sale in the UK

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Here's a Parti girl for sale in the U.K.

parti yorkie little girl. pedigree. - Yorkshire Terrier Puppy for Sale in the UK

She sure looks a bit older than 12 weeks ??? Think someone would have to check into that ad a little closer

[Pinehaven]

Oop, I just read the text portion of the ad that Woogie Man posted, it says she's 6 months old. Sorry.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Hey, I found the photos of the parti pups born in the UK ... here's the link

YorkieTalk.com Photo Gallery - poppyalfie Gallery - Powered by PhotoPost

I'm pretty sure he also sent me pedigrees of his dogs but Lord only knows where they may be in my old computer!

Yes pinehaven poppy is one of many dam's that have been used with alfie the stud dog here in the uk he is infact a yorkie cross shih tzu i will find how to post pic's as i have one of him i note they have not given you one as he is not on those pic's,Alfie is a cross creation here in the uk i find it so sad he is being used and exploited in this manor bless him but he is NOT a biewer far from it also the pic of the partie girl being sold here for £1,500 is also of mixed breeding but i did say they were creating good look a like's here,None have paper's none have been imported here they have all been bred and created here by these byb.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by mistique57

Yes pinehaven poppy is one of many dam's that have been used with alfie the stud dog here in the uk he is infact a yorkie cross shih tzu i will find how to post pic's as i have one of him i note they have not given you one as he is not on those pic's,Alfie is a cross creation here in the uk i find it so sad he is being used and exploited in this manor bless him but he is NOT a biewer far from it also the pic of the partie girl being sold here for £1,500 is also of mixed breeding but i did say they were creating good look a like's here,None have paper's none have been imported here they have all been bred and created here by these byb.

Here is a link where they have been slated here in the uk by a holland breeder.

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