I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I have read many posts about the Biewer and the Parti. My question to you all is... Do you think the Yorkshire Terrier is the only breed that has had a mutating color gene?
13 years ago I met a wonderful breeder that I purchased my first German Shepherd from. Approximately 10 years ago, she breed her tradional male with a black female and produce the first tri-color German Shepherd now known as the Panda Shepherd. When this happened my friend was judged ridiculed and treated very badly for her breeding practices. She held her ground and began working with a genetist and was able to prove her dogs were pure and the gene was isolated and was found to have came from her tradional male. She has been a guardian of her colorful Shepherds and has every litter DNA to see which pup carries the gene and is very selective as to the placement. I have since purchased another boy from her, his mother is a Panda Shepherd and his father is a tradional. My boy is a tradional and does not carry the Panda gene.
I am not as of yet, an expert when it comes to the Biewer Terrier however, I know that through DNA studies Mr. Biewer was enhancing his "color lines" with other breeds. I can only speculate why because he is not here to tell us but I believe he was trying to produce color and specific looks using the Yorkies as the foundation.
I believe as far as the Parti Yorkie as with the Panda Shepherd, the dog will either carry the gene or it won't. To the OP... the only way you will know is to contact a genesist. If you breed a parti into your lines you may or may not have a baby who will carry the gene.

I know nothing about the panda shepherd but the gene that Parti yorkies have, is the piebald gene which is a well known spotting gene - their color is not a result of a mutated gene. A parti will always throw 1 of it's 2 parti genes onto all of it's offspring, so your statement "If you breed a parti into your lines you may or may not have a baby who will carry the gene", is incorrect. I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who's trying to learn how the parti (piebald) gene works :-)

[evab]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

It is her site, she is saying she is merely informing us on that site , that its not a website its to inform.

What on earth is this all about. I have come on this site to make new friends, who share a common passion. And already I am accused of having a web site, that I have already said that is not my site....I can see here that some members choose to fire bullets at me.

I have not been on this site before tonight and already I feel most unwelcome, a shame really as there are some fabulously experienced yorkie lovers.

[evab]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

If we make a mistake with infomation we will correct it.
You could have contacted us about the error.
But instead you choose to berate and steal pictures that do not belong to you and used them without permission.
I hope you have corrected this and removed the pictures.
This board frowns on people who conducts themselves in this manner.

I also do not know what you are talking about, I surely have the right to defend myself against false accusations. I am not a member of your club, I have not stolen your pictures. Lowood has insulted me on another site many times and chooses to do so here, upon my very first introduction. I can not understand why you choose to make your remarks except that I now assume your are associated with the same club. Which is not a problem for me. If you are offended by my presence on this site you must ask the administrator to have me removed, which for me will be a very short lived forum member.

[Nancy1999]

Please don't give up on us, when I first came here, people accused me of being someone else, and some thought I was a breeder, and some thought I was a troll; some still think I'm a troll! I suggest you introduce yourself in the General forum, http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...r-discussion/; most members are very friendly, the Parti/breeding threads get very controversial, and most members don't post on these threads for that reason.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I really do try to that, I'm a little disappointed that you haven't recognized that fact. A very small percentage of my posts involve parti threads.

Nancy, I do read your posts and I've seen your efforts directed at helping people find a good breeder. I don't really see how that relates to the post of mine you quoted to make your point, though. That part truly wasn't directed at any individual.

As for this particular thread, you did start off firing a broadside at parti breeders about the inbreeding (post #11) before clarifying. Those remarks are especially perplexing when taken with your remarks about Mr. Biewer and his vision (post #132), where you seemingly give kudos to a man that began the Biewer with only 2 dogs, something that could only have occurred with intensive inbreeding. There's a real disconnect in rationale there.

I'm also confused about your remarks about breeding for "the recessive gene" (post #29). I assume your talking about the piebald gene. The obvious potential health issue is deafness when the gene is extremely expressed, and that has been well researched in other breeds and has been discussed here before. If your talking about "the recessive gene" in general, you should know that a great many of the distinguishing traits of the Yorkshire Terrier come from recessive genes. I'm sure you meant only the piebald gene, but it is confusing, just the same.

[Breezeaway]

If you want to know who evab is all you have to do is go to the biewer pedigree database That is all I have to say.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Hi and welcome to Yorkietalk, from what I understand all the Parti's can be traced back to one line. Even the Biewer, developed in Germany, has been said to be linked to this line. I guess Mr. Biewer may have been a Parti breeder, but he seemed to take it very seriously, and wasn't just breeding pets, he had a vision and he developed a standard. After his death, the breed almost died out, but American interest brought it back to life. There are many breeders breeding the Biewer in America, and different clubs with different agendas, some believe that there is no difference between the Biewer and the Parti, and even mate the two together. Others believe that there are huge differences, and it's best to keep the lines pure. I believe that there are huge differences in the breeders and their motivations for breeding. So perhaps you know the parti as a Biewer?

If you believe in pedigree's and their value then it is a fact the Biewers and the Parti's came out of the Streamglen kennels in England. I have pointed you many times to a website for you to see these pedigrees. These pedigree's are what the Yorkshire Terrier World believes in before they started doing DNA and even today not all YTCA breeders do this.

Just because some of the dogs went to California and some to Germany it doesn't mean they are different dogs,,,,just like the Yorkies that were sold to different countries..

How the heck would you know what Mr. Biewer believed in ... he knowingly went to England and bought 4 dogs from Streamglen that were so inbreed it is not even funny..and then he inbreed them even more...look at the pedigree's they tell the story......not some website that has stretched the truth. Mr. Biewer only bred for less than 7 years and he had to have a standard if he wanted to register his dogs. The standard was a few sentences..Do you really believe these beautiful dogs just lost popularity in a few short years??? NO..they were dying...and it is why the Germans breed Yorkies back in and still believe they are Yorkies. Don't buy into the "Mrs. Biewer" garbage either...she has signed two different standards and frankly if she really cared about the dogs, why did she get rid of them after he died???? How many breeders on YT have their spouse involved in their breeding program????? They might love the dogs but few really know all the aspects of the breeding program. I also have not found any evidence that Mr. Biewer protected these dogs with the people he sold the dogs to.

DO NOT BELIEVE JUST BECAUSE A WEBSITE LOOKS GOOD THAT IT IS TELLING THE TRUTH. This same group that now says another breed was brought in (of course they won't tell you what that other breed is) only started saying this a few years ago...so either they started bringing in another breed or they are lying because they know a sucker is born every moment in this country.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

How many breeders on YT have their spouse involved in their breeding program?????

Just wanted to answer this question for you. My husband is thoroughly involved in every aspect of my breeding program. Yep! Knows pedigrees as well as I do and whelps litters. Knows how to groom a show dog too.....and in a pinch will put up a topknot. And runs them to the vets.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Just wanted to answer this question for you. My husband is thoroughly involved in every aspect of my breeding program. Yep! Knows pedigrees as well as I do and whelps litters. Knows how to groom a show dog too.....and in a pinch will put up a topknot. And runs them to the vets.

The question is HOW MANY?...I have met to many breeders over the years and your husband would be the exception to the rule wouldn't you say?

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If you want to know who evab is all you have to do is go to the biewer pedigree database That is all I have to say.

I have read the posts and clearly it is someone who has their own agenda.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The question is HOW MANY?...I have met to many breeders over the years and your husband would be the exception to the rule wouldn't you say?

Let me see my mentor's husband is thoroughly involved in her breeding program. So is Donna's/Brooklynn's mentor's husband. As a matter most of the member's of the Bluebonnet Yorkshire Terrier Club Spouses who are members of the club are pretty involved with their breeding programs. Although, they aren't members of YT, I know several breeder/exhibitors from other regional clubs as well as YTCA members whose husbands are members of those clubs and very involved with their breeding programs.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Just wanted to answer this question for you. My husband is thoroughly involved in every aspect of my breeding program. Yep! Knows pedigrees as well as I do and whelps litters. Knows how to groom a show dog too.....and in a pinch will put up a topknot. And runs them to the vets.

I'm jealous. Mine poked his head in my whelping room for the first time (and only time???) and said "ewwww".

I'm on my own, which sucks, but I have breeder friends to fill that void.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breny

I'm jealous. Mine poked his head in my whelping room for the first time (and only time???) and said "ewwww".

I'm on my own, which sucks, but I have breeder friends to fill that void.

Most of my breeder/exhibitor's friends are thorougly involved, in most cases it is a partnership. There's no way most of us could exhibit and breed if we didn't have our spouses support. Several have RVs so dogs are loaded up and hubby goes along to shows, and hubby assists with taking care of the dogs and helps at ringside.

[livingdustmops]

I do think many spouses support the spouse's interest but how many of them would continue with the breeding program if the spouse died? In the Biewer world I have seen 2 or 3 husbands in the showring and I have seen some come along to help with the dogs but seldom have I seen them determine which dogs are going to breed together and why.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I do think many spouses support the spouse's interest but how many of them would continue with the breeding program if the spouse died? In the Biewer world I have seen 2 or 3 husbands in the showring and I have seen some come along to help with the dogs but seldom have I seen them determine which dogs are going to bred together and why.

Unfortunate. But, like I said most of my breeder/exhibitor's spouses are very involved, learning every aspect of the process. My husband and I sit down pour over pedigrees, study our females and males, discuss what we want to improve on. Would my husband continue on should something happen to me, probably not. He doesn't like the exhibiting part, so without that he doesn't feel breeding should continue. I'm in agreement, should I stop exhibiting, I stop breeding. It takes two and if a spouse isn't in full support it doesn't make for a happy homelife.