Is there a problem I am not aware of?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by bjh

I just don't think turning your back to those that don't have your same goals and aspirations or meet your expectations will change anything.

Originally Posted by Rosiegirl

I guess my point is if you are going to read the threads and not speak up if you can help then what good does that do?

You are both right...it is the dogs that suffer in the end, unfortunately. It does about as much good to not answer the questions as it does to be attacked for answering them honestly as is generally the case.
Will it change anything? Probably not...with the exception that the breeders are saving themselves the headache and stress of being raked over the coals for answering.

I guess I'm really having a hard time understanding why long time breeders are being ridiculed here because they don't go above and beyond to do something... Where in the rules of YT does it state that's a requirement?

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I can understand why some would want to turn their backs, and in fact, I almost feel like it's "enabling" when advice is given. It's like they're getting the message, "Got a pet, go ahead and breed, we'll be here to advise you on whelping."

BINGO!!!!!

[BamaFan121s]

And Rosiegirl....my apologies. I did not mean to insinuate that you were one of those who jumped in blindly. I meant my comment to be more of a general statement, but reading back over it I do see how it might have come across that way. I realize that is certainly not the case with everyone. Sorry.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That's just it, they don't seem to love yorkies at all, and don't even know the answers to questions that a yorkie owner should know, let alone a breeder. Doesn't love imply some sort of willingness to do what's best for our pets, and gain an understanding of the proper care of them, and at least a basic knowledge of breed standard? To me, they are entrepreneurs, not breeders.

I have been involved in breeding dogs and showing some for over 30 years, Yorkies for 12 years and I really think the majority of people that breed yorkies or any breed for that matter just don't understand much at all about genetics, structure or breeding. Most people think you just stick two dogs together and that's it. They are not aware of all the problems that can happen. Where do these people get their advise? Many ask their vets and the vet will tell them, yes your little 3 or 4 lb female can have puppies with no problem. Many people just have to learn the hard way. Many people get advice from the person they got their yorkie from, or a relative or a friend. Yes, many of them are breeding because they think they can make a little money or they want a puppy for a relative or themselves. These people will always here unless states pass strict laws against breeding and it could come to that some day. YT has only been around a few years but more and more people are discovering it because of the google search engine. People come here for help because they just have not been taught about breeding or even how to raise a puppy and they want to learn. What they learn and how they learn it is up to us, I just don't think telling people to go read a book or watch a video is the answer most want to hear.

[Wylie's Mom]

I don't know...

I think ignoring people or refusing to help people in this section, or any section, because they don't align with your beliefs is disloyal to the breed no matter what your philosophy or level of expertise.

The potential for educating the poster is always there.

This is not the only section that can be frustrating and disheartening. What if everyone in the other sections thought "well, I'm going to stop posting and stop helping bc people aren't doing what I think is best" -- where would we be?

To each their own, but when creatures, human or furry, need help -- I choose to try to be there in one way or another, whether what they're doing is opposed to my beliefs or not.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I don't know...

Me either!

I guess I understand to a point though....I am generally not inclined to lend a hand so someone doing something if it happens to be something I am totally against...be it Yorkies or anything else.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by bjh

I have been involved in breeding dogs and showing some for over 30 years, Yorkies for 12 years and I really think the majority of people that breed yorkies or any breed for that matter just don't understand much at all about genetics, structure or breeding. Most people think you just stick two dogs together and that's it. They are not aware of all the problems that can happen. Where do these people get their advise? Many ask their vets and the vet will tell them, yes your little 3 or 4 lb female can have puppies with no problem. Many people just have to learn the hard way. Many people get advice from the person they got their yorkie from, or a relative or a friend. Yes, many of them are breeding because they think they can make a little money or they want a puppy for a relative or themselves. These people will always here unless states pass strict laws against breeding and it could come to that some day. YT has only been around a few years but more and more people are discovering it because of the google search engine. People come here for help because they just have not been taught about breeding or even how to raise a puppy and they want to learn. What they learn and how they learn it is up to us, I just don't think telling people to go read a book or watch a video is the answer most want to hear.

And I don't think they want to hear either when we tell them go to the shows learn about the breed and find a mentor that is involved in bettering the breed because if you are able to find that good mentor at a show getting a good representation of the breed isn't going to happen over night like what most people want......I want it now forget waiting and learning...I read that all the time here...that is what is FRUSTRATING!!!!
I don't think reading a book or watching a video is what I'd advise anyone to do....

Donna

[AshasMom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I don't know...

I think ignoring people or refusing to help people in this section, or any section, because they don't align with your beliefs is disloyal to the breed no matter what your philosophy or level of expertise.

The potential for educating the poster is always there.

This is not the only section that can be frustrating and disheartening. What if everyone in the other sections thought "well, I'm going to stop posting and stop helping bc people aren't doing what I think is best" -- where would we be?

To each their own, but when creatures, human or furry, need help -- I choose to try to be there in one way or another, whether what they're doing is opposed to my beliefs or not.

Well said!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Me either!

I guess I understand to a point though....I am generally not inclined to lend a hand so someone doing something if it happens to be something I am totally against...be it Yorkies or anything else.

You sassafras .

But see, I think your posts are educational - even if they are opposed to the person who is posting about "my yorkies tied and...." - bc you try to inform the poster. I know you sometimes take a lot of crap for it though, so I can see the desire to just give up on it. I just wish you wouldn't.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are both right...it is the dogs that suffer in the end, unfortunately. It does about as much good to not answer the questions as it does to be attacked for answering them honestly as is generally the case.
Will it change anything? Probably not...with the exception that the breeders are saving themselves the headache and stress of being raked over the coals for answering.

I guess I'm really having a hard time understanding why long time breeders are being ridiculed here because they don't go above and beyond to do something... Where in the rules of YT does it state that's a requirement?



BINGO!!!!!

I am not sure anyone is being ridiculed. I think the main purpose of this thread being started is because of the noticeable lack of responses when questions are asked in the breeder section. The truth of the matter is that many have just got burned out from answering the same type questions over and over. I think if someone asks a question and someone answers it adequately then people should not have their feeling hurt of others don't post. I understand that is nice to have more than one opinion sometimes.

Will it ever change? I agree with you, probably not. YT will go on, breeders will come and go. Time pass on.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Me either!

I guess I understand to a point though....I am generally not inclined to lend a hand so someone doing something if it happens to be something I am totally against...be it Yorkies or anything else.

This is exactly what I"m talking about! I'm not going to lend a hand to anyone that is doing something I'm totally against and that would be with anything including my yorkies...it's been said over and over here why a mentor and educating yourself before jumping feet first is of the utmost importance...
And as I see Ladymom post regularly yorkies are what 36 times more likely to have liver shunt than any other breed? And some still breed and still don't health test because it's too expensive? I know several breeders that come to this forum and give advice and DO NOT health screen before breeding and some still breed the dogs and bitches that have produced liver shunt ect... because if they were to start their breeding program over it cuts into their profits!
So, now maybe you can see why I'm so adament in my beliefs....you really just don't know who's behind that computer screen...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

And I don't think they want to hear either when we tell them go to the shows learn about the breed and find a mentor that is involved in bettering the breed because if you are able to find that good mentor at a show getting a good representation of the breed isn't going to happen over night like what most people want......I want it now forget waiting and learning...I read that all the time here...that is what is FRUSTRATING!!!!
I don't think reading a book or watching a video is what I'd advise anyone to do....

Donna

Exactly, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[manolos mom]

I guess I was one of those people who jumped the gun and breed my female 2 times not REALLY knowing about the Genetic structure of this Breed. Even thou we had a lifetime health guarentee on our male we still had a scare thinking he had a shunt. The first litter I sold but to people who lived near me. The second litter I gave as gifts for my best friends. I had to contact each and every one of them to let them know that My Monolo might have a shunt. This was very hard and its still hard because I was irresponsible and did no research prior to Breeding. He does have a mild case of MVD. But for the past 3 weeks I have been beside myself. I listen to those who have no experience like myself and I just want to say to them, DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING INTO. Since then I have had my girl Spayed and she has turned into a puppy again. I did keep one of her pups 7 months old now and they are soooo happy. I guess what Im trying to say is please research this before you breed. There is alot more than just whelping and selling...PEACE...Lissette

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bjh

I have been involved in breeding dogs and showing some for over 30 years, Yorkies for 12 years and I really think the majority of people that breed yorkies or any breed for that matter just don't understand much at all about genetics, structure or breeding. Most people think you just stick two dogs together and that's it. They are not aware of all the problems that can happen. Where do these people get their advise? Many ask their vets and the vet will tell them, yes your little 3 or 4 lb female can have puppies with no problem. Many people just have to learn the hard way. Many people get advice from the person they got their yorkie from, or a relative or a friend. Yes, many of them are breeding because they think they can make a little money or they want a puppy for a relative or themselves. These people will always here unless states pass strict laws against breeding and it could come to that some day. YT has only been around a few years but more and more people are discovering it because of the google search engine. People come here for help because they just have not been taught about breeding or even how to raise a puppy and they want to learn. What they learn and how they learn it is up to us, I just don't think telling people to go read a book or watch a video is the answer most want to hear.

What they learn and how they learn is really up to them. They may not like the answer, read this book, and watch this video, and that's their choice, but I think some of the best answers given in the breeding forum have been a list of books or sites that will get them started. I would like to see YT breeder's forum more of a reference site that can point them in the proper direction. That's how you can tell the serious breeders who really do want to learn more about breeding and those that want to make some spending money. I just don't think that those people should be encouraged.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I don't know...

I think ignoring people or refusing to help people in this section, or any section, because they don't align with your beliefs is disloyal to the breed no matter what your philosophy or level of expertise.

The potential for educating the poster is always there.

This is not the only section that can be frustrating and disheartening. What if everyone in the other sections thought "well, I'm going to stop posting and stop helping bc people aren't doing what I think is best" -- where would we be?

To each their own, but when creatures, human or furry, need help -- I choose to try to be there in one way or another, whether what they're doing is opposed to my beliefs or not.

Well said. My sentiments exactly.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Me either!

I guess I understand to a point though....I am generally not inclined to lend a hand so someone doing something if it happens to be something I am totally against...be it Yorkies or anything else.

I have some human children that over the years have been frustrating to me and they have done some things I did not agree with but I did not turn my back on them. I never gave up, I just gave them my best advise and my prayers. Sometimes they would listen and sometimes they would not but I never gave up. All we can do is pray that we will be able to reach and educate breeders and pet owners, the rest is up to them.