In post 254 I posted some links. They may answer some of your questions. You could also google something like' piebald risks in dogs' for more info. The piebald effect has been observed and studied in dogs, horses, pigs and mice. There's probably other species but you get the idea that it's a well known genetic trait.

Well, what does that have to do with anything. People and (white animals) are two different things. The boxer went blind/deaf at 3 and the maltese wasn't very old, an 8 year old dog is not the same age as an 80 year old woman:rolleyes: My mom is almost 83 and she can hear fine:confused:

:confused:I'm saying, maybe some white animals don't have problems right away, but, for some reason, some white animals are going deaf earlier than they should, that's what it has to do with. Maybe some of the partis that have a lot of white and are fine now, will be deaf when theyr'e just a few years old(that's what I'm talking about

You shouldn't say we are ALL messing with Gods creation. I'm not nor are a lot of other people that don't breed.

what about Lethal White in Paint/Pinto horses ? Was told once it was thought to be caused by a reccessive gene

I've seen mention of it but am not a horse person. Here's a link that may help get you started if you're interested.....Overo Lethal White Syndrom

Seems to me like there needs to be new thread started about white dogs or white and piebald genes.
I thought this thread was about Partis, Not fortune telling on if or when a dog will be born blind or deaf. And now they are discussing horses??? Geeeesh there are blind and deaf dogs born in every breed, even cats and horses.

Lethal white is cause by breeding 2 overo pinto horses together. You can breed other spotting patterns together like sabino to overo, tobiano to overo or splash white to overo without the problem of producing lethal white ... it's the overo to overo crosses that can produce lethal whites (25% chance). Unfortunately, you can have a horse who looks to be solid colored but are in fact minimally marked overos.

There is a test to determine if a horse carries the Lethal White gene, so many horse breeders who breed pintos will have their horses tested for the LWO (Lethal White Overo) gene or they will avoid breeding overo to overo all together.

;)Maybe we need a genetics forum ;)

Well, when you talk about Partis, you're talking about a dog with the piebald gene so not sure why you commented that way. Most everything posted has been factual even if you see it as fortune telling. No one here has posted that something will happen, only that it can and does happen with some piebalds. Maybe we need a thread about partis, only leave out the facts?? And yes, horses, pigs, and even mice are at least indirectly related to the discussion.

And your certainly a book of knowledge arent you!!! What did you say the name of your book was?

Factual based on the other breeds that have been discussed, but pure speculation on the parti. Quite honestly, there have been facts offered within this thread from those of us that own and/or breed the parti, but yet this has been dismissed.

Nope sorry, you missed the point completely

I'm concerned that egos are getting the way on this post just by how the posts are typed. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it. Is anyone a geneticist? Is anyone a direct decendent of Johann Mendel?

Does anyone realize that a simple receptor from a gene being accepted can mess with the perfect STANDARD of the Yorkie? Do you realize that it can happen and it may have nothing to do with anything the breeder is doing? This receptor changes the trait and it will make it a recessie trait. The perfect yorkie now is soiled. *hanging head* This is a reality each time a bitch and sire are bred. We can educate ourselves as much as possible and hope that our knowledge and breeding practices work toward the good of the breed but believe it or not, some of us will miss.

To wash ones hands that since they are not breeding they have no responsiblity, I disagree. People purchase them, just as people purchase dogs from pet shops. Both need breeders. Now, I'm not saying each breeder is the same but we have to step back and take check of what we are doing here and our responsibilities. The fact is, we are all here and we have something in common - we have a dog (98% of us).

Yes it can and does, but it does not happen in all breeds, nor does it happen in all dogs in the breeds that it does affect.

And I said that we woll keep it in mind and watch for it. But it also might never happen.

statistics show that the more you drive, the greater your chances of an accident. so are you going to quit driving because accidents CAN and DO happen. Or are you going to continue to drive taking as many precautions as possible.

Exactly. and you won't know which lines those are, until it happens.

I guess we won't know until we know.

does ever breeder know for sure that none of their puppies are ever going to have problems as they get older.

what about people, do they choose not have children because there is a chance that a child could become diabetic as it gets older?

Maybe we all should quit messing with mother nature.

There is a whole list of "What ifs" every morning when you choose to get out of bed. do you lie in bed because if you get up and go to work you might get into an accident and kill someones child.

Can't speak for anyone else, but its not my ego. I am just darn tired of the parti bashing on yorkietalk.

and how does any of that translate into a parti colored yorkie becoming deaf, when some breeders are now into the 5th generation and have had partis die of old age and have not had any deafness.

And chances are, if there hasn't been any indication of it occuring in parti colored yorkies, it is not an issue with yorkies.

if the shoe does not fit, then don't wear it.

It CAN and DOES happen in children too, but we don't stop hving them.

Yes Facts like there has been no indication that this is a problem with yorkies.

We aren't going to stop breeding them as long as there is no indication of it happening, and even then we will most likely only stop breeding those lines.

That was my point JeanieK...if we spay/neuter every dog from every breed that has even the slightest chance of having a health issue or that has had a health issue...what do we have left? Not too many dogs...

So, what do we do from there?

Breed within a responsible program and spay/neuter when it's neccessary...stop a line if we have to...then the chances are a lot less down the line. Right?

This discussion started because the YTCA website states that there could be health issues like deafness linked to breedign the parti colored dogs.

According to the YTCA our partis are some sort of mutant anomaly that looks like this.

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Well, I have Biewers but we've all been tossed into the same pile.

When I was younger we had Collies and German Shepherds...my sisters have had Goldens, Labs and Boxers...none of them have had health issues. I, on the other hand, have had Yorkies all of my adult life and we have spent a fortune in vet bills for life threatening health issues. Oh...and...my Yorkies were all of standard size and color. So, it's not just the partis and Biewers.

Ditto

thank you Sue

There were too many posts for me to quote and reply so I'll just say this with apologies in advance to those that have posted civilly. What has been posted here about the piebald (parti) risks is factual. What has been posted to counter those facts are observations with no facts. If you had any facts, I think we would have seen them by now. While your observations may be true, so would mine be if I said that I've never seen any liver shunt or luxating patella in my dogs so it must not be a risk. Kinda ridiculous, huh? And no, I've not written a book :rolleyes: but that's the real kicker. I claim no expertise on the subject but was easily able to find tons of good, researched info that was apparently news to some of you that are actually breeding parti Yorkies. From what I've read, many of those breeding partis with other breeds are at least aware of the added risk and aren't in denial. This whole discussion could have ended if you had said something like, "Yes, we're aware of blah, blah, blah and are doing such and such to guard against it". Instead, what I see are flippant remarks and sarcasm. This never was about 'parti bashing'. I really don't have anything against partis and think they can probably be safely bred but not by those that won't even acknowledge the added risks associated with breeding them.

I was always told you never quit learning until you are 6 ft under and thank you for the link it was informative