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Sugar's Mom · 09-20-2008, 09:28 AM

Walmart money grams are ssafe and fast. All she needs is the name of the walmart store and your name. You will be able to pick the money up almost immediately. I use this for my deposits sometimes. hope everything workss out for you.

stormyg1 · 09-20-2008, 01:06 PM

I originally purchased this pup from Stephanie from Brynstar yorkies for breeding purposes. I contacted Stephanie and told her I did not think this female was going to grow big enough to breed and that I was going to put her up for sale on a spay/neuter contract. Stephanie was aware of me selling this female.. in fact she even sent me a potential buyers email that had been inquiring with her about a small female. I was contacted by Myra and told her that I normally do not sell my puppies to people with small children. Her reply to me was that her children were very calm and that they had a little dog for a long time and that her children were great with it. So..I tried not to catorgorize her children because some children have been raised amongst animals and know how to treat them..and some children dont. She wanted to get her deposit to me quickly and was going to send it western union. I had told her that I had never used them,but that I had heard Wal-mart had money-grams and it would be alot cheaper for her to use them than western union.. if she did not want to send the money in the mail. After I received her deposit she than explained that she did not want the dog to come to her home for at least 3-4 week's,due to a hurricane in late July that had done damage to her home. Than she told me that she did not want her husband to know that she was getting this dog or how much she was paying for her and that she wanted her to be delivered when her husband was gone out of town and did not know a dog was coming. I was already getting red signals from her by this point,as getting a new pup should be a family alt not behind your spouses back. Than after many days of being on the phone with her..all I heard was screaming in the background from her children that were supposed to be CALM and QUEIT and her screaming back at them. Than I hear a big dog barking in the background and she tells me it is her mothers dog that she is babysitting and would be going back to her moms house..another red flag went up..as this german sheperd was still barking yesterday while I was on the phone with her. She proceeded to tell me that it stays in the backyard and did not come into the house. Ok.. I dont live in Texas but i have been told you dont keep an animal outside with the heat being as hot as it has and never let it come inside..that it would be in-humane. I was in Tennessee on vacation when Myra called me and told me she was now ready for candy which had been 3.5 weeks after her deposit to me. I got home and it was labor day. I took this female with me along with my other dogs up to my brothers home and there happened to be a few smaller children there. This female was so nervous hearing a seeing the loud reactions and voices that these children made,that she ran and hid for what seemed to be for hours. I could not believe how it effected her. When I got home I e-mailed Myra of which I have the email.. and explained what had happened and knowing that what I had heard on the phone from her children in the past conversations with her on the phone.. that I did not believe this little girl would be right for her and her family. I offered her a puppy from a litter that was due later this month and told her I thought a younger puppy would work better for her,as I kept this puppy to long with me and did not socialize her to small children,as I had planned on keeping her for myself and did not need to. I also told her that if she did not want one of my puppies that I would help her find another puppy as nice as this girl is, from a reputable breeder..of which she said no to. I sent her a few pics of a puppy I had found from a breeder in California and told her that this puppy looked alot like mine did at that age and that maybe with this puppy being 12 weeks of age.. she might work out better for her. She cried and begged me to please give her and her family a chance..that is when I told her that I would take this puppy to my neighbors home who also have small children.. to see how she would react,but if I felt like it was not going to work out I would send her deposit back to her. I know this is not what you usually do..but I gave it a try for her sake. The first time we went there it went well,but she sat on my lap the whole time.. the second time I tried to see her response she ran and hid behind a chair.. than she snapped at my neighbors little girl the following day. After seeing this I contacted Myra and told her this would not work out, and how sorry I was with this whole situation. I also told her to call other breeders and get their opinion,but to keep in mind that I know this dog and am not feeling comfortable with the way she is acting. Then.. this little girl came into season,and I told her she was going to have to sign a spay/neuter contract of which she balked and still wanted me to ship her. I did not care at all for her calling other breeders.. what bothered me was her constant insistence that I send this pup to her.. no matter what I said, and that she was in heat. I told her that I could have just taken her money,not said a thing and shipped a puppy to her that I knew was not responding well with children,but I was not that kind of a person nor breeder. It would not be fair to her, her children or my puppy. I told her I was sending her deposit back. That is when she started screaming at me over the phone telling me she would ruin me as a breeder,would leave bad reviews on puppyfind of which she has already done and report me to the BBB. Not to mention after she got done with me I would not be able to sell a puppy to anyone. I was not going to continue listening to someone scream and threaten me on the phone..so I terminated her call. I then emailed her and asked for an address so I could send her deposit back,as I never got any information of where she lived other than Texas. She responded that She also wanted the $35.00 back that she chose to spend to send a money gram of which that was her choice..she could have sent a postal money order or cashiers check but she chose fast delivery and paid the extra funds for it and than wanted me to pay it back to her. I have sent her money back first thing this morning and have a reference # from Wal-mart stating so. I did everything possible to try and please this woman,but to no avail.. and now she is doing exactly what she threatened to do. She is slandering my name on here.. puppyfind and god knows where else. I also have kept all my emails to her and they plainly show how I tried to work with her. Remember there are 2 sides to every story. This woman seemed to be so sweet,that is when everything was going her way. The minute it didn't..her colors quickly changed. I have tried to be an honest and caring person and this woman is giving it all to ruin that. I have plenty of other references from other families that have purchased a puppy from me,been to my home and know how much I love all my furbabies and try my best to place them in the right homes..I also have references from my vet. This deal did not go through just because of the small children issue..there were other factors I took into consideration and gave much thought to. As a breeder.. your puppies look to you to place them in their forever homes,as they cannot do it for themselves. And that is what I have done.

Yorkie_Loverz · 09-20-2008, 06:06 PM

Stormy this is sad for you to come on her and lie, it really is. At least what I have said is true. First off Stephanie DID NOT know she was offered for sale, she told me this during our first conversation. During the second conversation with Stephanie when I told her how you yelled at me and told me I was going behind your back and that you were sending my deposit back, that's when you told me I was getting my deposit back not any earlier and not anything to do with how Candy was doing, she told me you probably reacted that way because you thought she was going to be mad for not talking to her before putting her for sale. Yes I told you I would tell everybody what you did and report you to the BBB but that was all NOTHING more.

You NEVER asked me to sign a spay/neuter contract, even though I would have you never asked me to sign one. You did however ask me to sign something stating that if Candy did not do well she would go back to you. You never mentioned spay/neuter contract and I have Letty to prove that. You never mentioned it to her either. Admit you did things wrong in that area as well and are saying that to cover your butt with Stephanie. When I busted you with Stephanie you basically attacked me. On the current well the listing that you posted before taking it down, you barely posted about Candy needing to be spayed the previous ones didn't say anything about her needing to be spayed. A good breeder would have clearly stated that.

The first 2 visits she was not in heat, but when she snapped she was. You yourself told me that had a lot to do with it didn't you??? Any responsible and experienced breeder would not have exposed a dog to strangers at a strange house while her hormones are all whacked.

How dare you say that I even yelled at my children Stormy????? The time you heard my daughter cry was when I told you she was sleepy and used to me putting her to bed right away. They are calm but they are also children. Something is really wrong with you because when my daughter told me something in a extremely quiet voice you told me that it would FREAK Candy out. Well the breeders that heard my daughter talking laughed at you. They also told me something seemed fishy to them that was 3 different breeders Stormy.

Stormy I told you the situation about the repairs that were going to be done and asked you if you could wait before the deposit was sent. I have the e-mail and I copy of the money gram, do you want to see them Stormy??

I won't even get into the situation about my hubby as in a few post back I posted about that already.

Inhumane for a German Shepard to be outside NO. I am sure there are tons of people in Texas that have their GS outdoors. I know this one likes it out there. He has never been without water or food ever. When at my moms she tried to have him indoor, he didn't like it. It would be inhumane to have him tied back there in the sun without water but that is not the case here. So you heard him bark then I told you he was here, LIAR, I was on the computer in my daughters room when I told you (I remember this way too clearly) and I don't recall him being in here with me

Yes he is still here never did I deny it, but hearing him bark that night is such a lie. He was lying by my feet in the front yard and I sure as hell never heard him bark. I have neighbors Stormy and they have dogs, want pics

This dog gets fed the best food and has always been loved at my moms and for now by my family and I. He has been to the vet and I can provide all records. My mom has always taken him to the vet to get yearly exams, teeth cleanings and has always been up to date with vaccines. In fact if i am not mistaken she pays for a wellness plan for him. This dog is treated better than you treat humans period.

I was ready for Candy Aug. 20th does that date ring a bell? 1 day shy of 3 wks. I didn't ask for 3-4 wks, I asked for 2-3 wks. but oh well doesn't matter.

I kept insisting because i knew your reason was really not a good one. You threw Candy in a room full of strangers, 5 children and a house she didn't know and expected her to greet everybody with a lick on the cheek?? All breeders including her breeder said she reacted like ANY dog would. You then used an unstable way to try to socialize her with children. I asked that you try it at your house since that is Candys comfort zone. The only thing you got to tell me before yelling at me for calling Stephanie was that you couldn't take 2 children to your home because you have 7 dogs there. I don't see the problem Stormy as on your site you state your dogs are socialized.

So you "found" me a puppy huh. You asked me to call a breeder you knew and get a second opinion from which I found out that the puppy you were showing me belonged to that breeder (you didn't just find it), did you ever wonder why I didn't call to ask for her opinion and instead called several other breeders, some that I found off YTCA. I just didn't think her opinion would be completely honest.

I wasn't going to deny my deposit was returned, that was what I was going to post but ran into your post full of lies. I got the $465, I actually thought that after all the hurt you caused me you would feel bad and still send the $500 but guess not.

Well I guess there are good breeders and then the ones that are called breeders because they throw two dogs together and have a litter I sure know which one you fall under. If people here are willing to believe you I don't blame them as I fell for your lies too.

Stormy you're a grown woman you should by now know a lie from the truth, please start saying the truth. If by writing about what happened dirties your name well like I said earlier you must have done something wrong.

Susan123 · 09-20-2008, 06:48 PM

There are two sides to every story obviously....I think this was a case of red flags going up to the breeder and her not wanting to sell to you. Apparently you were pushy - I'll stop a sale immediately if dealing with someone that I don't feel good about, and particular if they're pushy.

I don't think she did anything wrong, unless I'm overlooking anything which I don't think I am. She gave the dog a second chance with children against her better judgement because you kept insisting. I would have been unmoveable about the subject and help pair purchaser with a nice matching puppy or give a referral if they decided not to buy from me. I think it's a bad move to try to damage a reputation or even threaten to because they were trying to look after the puppies best interest and that wasn't with you.

Buyers can be quite finicky, just because they post their side first doesn't mean that we have to judge and slam the breeder.

Yorkie_Loverz · 09-20-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Susan123

There are two sides to every story obviously....I think this was a case of red flags going up to the breeder and her not wanting to sell to you. Apparently you were pushy - I'll stop a sale immediately if dealing with someone that I don't feel good about, and particular if they're pushy.

I don't think she did anything wrong, unless I'm overlooking anything which I don't think I am. She gave the dog a second chance with children against her better judgement because you kept insisting. I would have been unmoveable about the subject and help pair purchaser with a nice matching puppy or give a referral if they decided not to buy from me. I think it's a bad move to try to damage a reputation or even threaten to because they were trying to look after the puppies best interest and that wasn't with you.

Buyers can be quite finicky, just because they post their side first doesn't mean that we have to judge and slam the breeder.

WOW so now I was being pushy. She sent me the first e-mail telling me what had happened, I replied devastated of course, she then replied and offered to try and socialize her and I of course agreed she was the one that told me to get second opinions too. What bothered me was the way she treated me during the last conversation and the reason she gave my deposit back. If this had ended on better terms things would have been different. She yelled at me and returned my deposit because I supposedly went behind her back and called the breeder not because Candy wasn't getting socialized. I don't think 3 (one of which she was in heat, hormones on a roller coaster) visits will socialize a dog, it would take longer and a more stable situation. It also bothered me for her to say so many lies about everything. Red Flags well if they were really red flags why did she wait 1 and a half months to bring them up. She knew since long time ago about my husband, about the GS and that I had children. I mentioned that my husband did not know I was getting her yet since before I placed the deposit. If she had red flags she could have avoided all this pain by telling me and not making things up. breeders need to be honest and if something bothers them they have to bring them up not wait don't they??

bradyem · 09-20-2008, 08:53 PM

I'm certainly not a breeder but I do have experience with an aggressive puppy and children. My little Rockie (now going on 2) was fine with my children (when he was little) but aggressive towards anyone outside my home. He has become so much better as he's grown older (don't know if that's because of age or getting a pal for him (CC-girl, almost 1 now). I have had incidents of aggression towards my kids which started when he was probably 1 1/2 but I believe that was because of Rockie seeing himself just under myself and then my husband in the hiarchy of whose in charge. Once my son (who he was being aggressive with--nipping) was able to show him he was in charge, Rockie has done a lot better with him. However, in the beginning, we had to tell all outsiders (including my parents, in-laws) not to make eye contact with him nor attempt to touch him less they draw back a bloody stump. I'm happy to report that now Rockie doesn't aggress against outside family members and only occasionally attempts to nip at my son (he just rolls him on his back to let him know he's not in charge--and then lets him up --Rockie will then give him a little lick and he's good to go). I don't know if this helps but I think it's workable. Given that this pup is a little older it makes sense if she's not been around children to act this way--kids always want to crowd around while reading out at the same time--I'd probably do the same thing if I was her. I don't think she's to old to relearn, I think it will just take a little longer than if you had her when she was littler.

bradyem · 09-20-2008, 09:04 PM

Okay, either those postings just showed up or I'm totally losing it---I guess you should ignore my posting--sorry, it looks like you won't need to worry about this???
Well, I hope the end result here is a puppy that you love and fits happily into your family regardless of where it comes from. Good luck!

peanut · 09-20-2008, 09:10 PM

After seeing whats going on, I hope you get your money back, and go find yourself another baby. Good luck

bradyem · 09-20-2008, 10:20 PM

Oh man---after I read the last thread that indicated puppyfind.com I clicked over there as it made me think about our breeder that we got our CC from last December (right before the Ice Storm). I could find her on the puppyfind and so googled her kennel (as I did when we were purchasing her). Come to find out to my mortification that at the time that we were having her shipped to us, there was an undercover Newsweek employee investigating them as a PUPPY MILL!!!! I could just die!! Now, I can tell my husband that he was right as when CC gets any kind of extra little scrap (not dog food), she will practically take your hand off when you hand it to you and my older dog will no longer take anything that can't fit in his mouth because she will take it from him (and he outweighs her by 3lbs--not to mention he is taller than she is). The story didn't break until after we received here and I didn't need to google at that point since I had been emailing her. I just found it now!! Who knew???

bradyem · 09-20-2008, 10:21 PM

P.S. As an FYI, it's Rcw Kennels in Kansas. We are lucky that she's perfectly fine other than the aggressive food behavior.

red98vett · 09-21-2008, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkie_Loverz

I told her in my e-mail that I would like it sent through money gram in a timely matter just as she received it but she says she wants to send a money order or cashiers check. I would prefer it be sent right away through money gram that way I won't have to contact her anymore kwim? Could you see the pic I posted of the listing.

I haven't finished reading this thread but had to jump in -

1st - you're dealing with a broker from what I gather (everyone - PLEASE SPACE YOUR SENTENCES...it's very hard to read) and that alone isn't good.

and 2nd - NEVER SEND MONEY THRU WESTERN UNION - you're screwed if the person is a scammer on the other end.

Edited to add - Do Walmart Money grams offer protection ? I didn't know that but do know Western Union doesn't

chachi · 09-21-2008, 05:42 AM

I dont think its right for you to slam this breeder on puppyfind and other places just because she would not sell you the pup because it was not suitable with a home with children. She is giving you your deposit back What more is she supposed to do for you?

bchgirl · 09-21-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

I dont think its right for you to slam this breeder on puppyfind and other places just because she would not sell you the pup because it was not suitable with a home with children. She is giving you your deposit back What more is she supposed to do for you?

I agree.

DejaVu · 09-21-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

I dont think its right for you to slam this breeder on puppyfind and other places just because she would not sell you the pup because it was not suitable with a home with children. She is giving you your deposit back What more is she supposed to do for you?

I also agree. I dont think the breeder did anything wrong really. Sounds like she got to know this person a little more and found it wasnt the home she wanted to place her dog with. I think its a good thing she is being picky, it shows she cares about the well being of the dog and thats what matters here.

Good luck to all parties in this situation, I hope it all works out.

Sugar's Mom · 09-21-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

I agree.

So do I!!!!!!!!!!! It is my pup until it is paid for deposit or not and if I find out things about the home it is going to, I will cancel a sale in a heartbeat. You guys have seen me do it on here. My pup is my priority. I commend this breeder for putting the welfare of her puppy first.

09-20-2008, 01:06 PM	#47
stormyg1 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 7	Knee Deep In Yorkies side of the Story I originally purchased this pup from Stephanie from Brynstar yorkies for breeding purposes. I contacted Stephanie and told her I did not think this female was going to grow big enough to breed and that I was going to put her up for sale on a spay/neuter contract. Stephanie was aware of me selling this female.. in fact she even sent me a potential buyers email that had been inquiring with her about a small female. I was contacted by Myra and told her that I normally do not sell my puppies to people with small children. Her reply to me was that her children were very calm and that they had a little dog for a long time and that her children were great with it. So..I tried not to catorgorize her children because some children have been raised amongst animals and know how to treat them..and some children dont. She wanted to get her deposit to me quickly and was going to send it western union. I had told her that I had never used them,but that I had heard Wal-mart had money-grams and it would be alot cheaper for her to use them than western union.. if she did not want to send the money in the mail. After I received her deposit she than explained that she did not want the dog to come to her home for at least 3-4 week's,due to a hurricane in late July that had done damage to her home. Than she told me that she did not want her husband to know that she was getting this dog or how much she was paying for her and that she wanted her to be delivered when her husband was gone out of town and did not know a dog was coming. I was already getting red signals from her by this point,as getting a new pup should be a family alt not behind your spouses back. Than after many days of being on the phone with her..all I heard was screaming in the background from her children that were supposed to be CALM and QUEIT and her screaming back at them. Than I hear a big dog barking in the background and she tells me it is her mothers dog that she is babysitting and would be going back to her moms house..another red flag went up..as this german sheperd was still barking yesterday while I was on the phone with her. She proceeded to tell me that it stays in the backyard and did not come into the house. Ok.. I dont live in Texas but i have been told you dont keep an animal outside with the heat being as hot as it has and never let it come inside..that it would be in-humane. I was in Tennessee on vacation when Myra called me and told me she was now ready for candy which had been 3.5 weeks after her deposit to me. I got home and it was labor day. I took this female with me along with my other dogs up to my brothers home and there happened to be a few smaller children there. This female was so nervous hearing a seeing the loud reactions and voices that these children made,that she ran and hid for what seemed to be for hours. I could not believe how it effected her. When I got home I e-mailed Myra of which I have the email.. and explained what had happened and knowing that what I had heard on the phone from her children in the past conversations with her on the phone.. that I did not believe this little girl would be right for her and her family. I offered her a puppy from a litter that was due later this month and told her I thought a younger puppy would work better for her,as I kept this puppy to long with me and did not socialize her to small children,as I had planned on keeping her for myself and did not need to. I also told her that if she did not want one of my puppies that I would help her find another puppy as nice as this girl is, from a reputable breeder..of which she said no to. I sent her a few pics of a puppy I had found from a breeder in California and told her that this puppy looked alot like mine did at that age and that maybe with this puppy being 12 weeks of age.. she might work out better for her. She cried and begged me to please give her and her family a chance..that is when I told her that I would take this puppy to my neighbors home who also have small children.. to see how she would react,but if I felt like it was not going to work out I would send her deposit back to her. I know this is not what you usually do..but I gave it a try for her sake. The first time we went there it went well,but she sat on my lap the whole time.. the second time I tried to see her response she ran and hid behind a chair.. than she snapped at my neighbors little girl the following day. After seeing this I contacted Myra and told her this would not work out, and how sorry I was with this whole situation. I also told her to call other breeders and get their opinion,but to keep in mind that I know this dog and am not feeling comfortable with the way she is acting. Then.. this little girl came into season,and I told her she was going to have to sign a spay/neuter contract of which she balked and still wanted me to ship her. I did not care at all for her calling other breeders.. what bothered me was her constant insistence that I send this pup to her.. no matter what I said, and that she was in heat. I told her that I could have just taken her money,not said a thing and shipped a puppy to her that I knew was not responding well with children,but I was not that kind of a person nor breeder. It would not be fair to her, her children or my puppy. I told her I was sending her deposit back. That is when she started screaming at me over the phone telling me she would ruin me as a breeder,would leave bad reviews on puppyfind of which she has already done and report me to the BBB. Not to mention after she got done with me I would not be able to sell a puppy to anyone. I was not going to continue listening to someone scream and threaten me on the phone..so I terminated her call. I then emailed her and asked for an address so I could send her deposit back,as I never got any information of where she lived other than Texas. She responded that She also wanted the $35.00 back that she chose to spend to send a money gram of which that was her choice..she could have sent a postal money order or cashiers check but she chose fast delivery and paid the extra funds for it and than wanted me to pay it back to her. I have sent her money back first thing this morning and have a reference # from Wal-mart stating so. I did everything possible to try and please this woman,but to no avail.. and now she is doing exactly what she threatened to do. She is slandering my name on here.. puppyfind and god knows where else. I also have kept all my emails to her and they plainly show how I tried to work with her. Remember there are 2 sides to every story. This woman seemed to be so sweet,that is when everything was going her way. The minute it didn't..her colors quickly changed. I have tried to be an honest and caring person and this woman is giving it all to ruin that. I have plenty of other references from other families that have purchased a puppy from me,been to my home and know how much I love all my furbabies and try my best to place them in the right homes..I also have references from my vet. This deal did not go through just because of the small children issue..there were other factors I took into consideration and gave much thought to. As a breeder.. your puppies look to you to place them in their forever homes,as they cannot do it for themselves. And that is what I have done.

09-20-2008, 09:04 PM	#52
bradyem Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 54	sorry Okay, either those postings just showed up or I'm totally losing it---I guess you should ignore my posting--sorry, it looks like you won't need to worry about this??? Well, I hope the end result here is a puppy that you love and fits happily into your family regardless of where it comes from. Good luck!

09-20-2008, 09:10 PM	#53
peanut Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,895	After seeing whats going on, I hope you get your money back, and go find yourself another baby. Good luck __________________ KIM

09-20-2008, 10:20 PM	#54
bradyem Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 54	Things could be worse Oh man---after I read the last thread that indicated puppyfind.com I clicked over there as it made me think about our breeder that we got our CC from last December (right before the Ice Storm). I could find her on the puppyfind and so googled her kennel (as I did when we were purchasing her). Come to find out to my mortification that at the time that we were having her shipped to us, there was an undercover Newsweek employee investigating them as a PUPPY MILL!!!! I could just die!! Now, I can tell my husband that he was right as when CC gets any kind of extra little scrap (not dog food), she will practically take your hand off when you hand it to you and my older dog will no longer take anything that can't fit in his mouth because she will take it from him (and he outweighs her by 3lbs--not to mention he is taller than she is). The story didn't break until after we received here and I didn't need to google at that point since I had been emailing her. I just found it now!! Who knew???

09-21-2008, 05:42 AM	#57
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I dont think its right for you to slam this breeder on puppyfind and other places just because she would not sell you the pup because it was not suitable with a home with children. She is giving you your deposit back What more is she supposed to do for you? __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

09-20-2008, 09:28 AM	#46
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	Walmart money grams are ssafe and fast. All she needs is the name of the walmart store and your name. You will be able to pick the money up almost immediately. I use this for my deposits sometimes. hope everything workss out for you.

09-20-2008, 06:06 PM	#48
Yorkie_Loverz Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 30	Stormy this is sad for you to come on her and lie, it really is. At least what I have said is true. First off Stephanie DID NOT know she was offered for sale, she told me this during our first conversation. During the second conversation with Stephanie when I told her how you yelled at me and told me I was going behind your back and that you were sending my deposit back, that's when you told me I was getting my deposit back not any earlier and not anything to do with how Candy was doing, she told me you probably reacted that way because you thought she was going to be mad for not talking to her before putting her for sale. Yes I told you I would tell everybody what you did and report you to the BBB but that was all NOTHING more. You NEVER asked me to sign a spay/neuter contract, even though I would have you never asked me to sign one. You did however ask me to sign something stating that if Candy did not do well she would go back to you. You never mentioned spay/neuter contract and I have Letty to prove that. You never mentioned it to her either. Admit you did things wrong in that area as well and are saying that to cover your butt with Stephanie. When I busted you with Stephanie you basically attacked me. On the current well the listing that you posted before taking it down, you barely posted about Candy needing to be spayed the previous ones didn't say anything about her needing to be spayed. A good breeder would have clearly stated that. The first 2 visits she was not in heat, but when she snapped she was. You yourself told me that had a lot to do with it didn't you??? Any responsible and experienced breeder would not have exposed a dog to strangers at a strange house while her hormones are all whacked. How dare you say that I even yelled at my children Stormy????? The time you heard my daughter cry was when I told you she was sleepy and used to me putting her to bed right away. They are calm but they are also children. Something is really wrong with you because when my daughter told me something in a extremely quiet voice you told me that it would FREAK Candy out. Well the breeders that heard my daughter talking laughed at you. They also told me something seemed fishy to them that was 3 different breeders Stormy. Stormy I told you the situation about the repairs that were going to be done and asked you if you could wait before the deposit was sent. I have the e-mail and I copy of the money gram, do you want to see them Stormy?? I won't even get into the situation about my hubby as in a few post back I posted about that already. Inhumane for a German Shepard to be outside NO. I am sure there are tons of people in Texas that have their GS outdoors. I know this one likes it out there. He has never been without water or food ever. When at my moms she tried to have him indoor, he didn't like it. It would be inhumane to have him tied back there in the sun without water but that is not the case here. So you heard him bark then I told you he was here, LIAR, I was on the computer in my daughters room when I told you (I remember this way too clearly) and I don't recall him being in here with me Yes he is still here never did I deny it, but hearing him bark that night is such a lie. He was lying by my feet in the front yard and I sure as hell never heard him bark. I have neighbors Stormy and they have dogs, want pics This dog gets fed the best food and has always been loved at my moms and for now by my family and I. He has been to the vet and I can provide all records. My mom has always taken him to the vet to get yearly exams, teeth cleanings and has always been up to date with vaccines. In fact if i am not mistaken she pays for a wellness plan for him. This dog is treated better than you treat humans period. I was ready for Candy Aug. 20th does that date ring a bell? 1 day shy of 3 wks. I didn't ask for 3-4 wks, I asked for 2-3 wks. but oh well doesn't matter. I kept insisting because i knew your reason was really not a good one. You threw Candy in a room full of strangers, 5 children and a house she didn't know and expected her to greet everybody with a lick on the cheek?? All breeders including her breeder said she reacted like ANY dog would. You then used an unstable way to try to socialize her with children. I asked that you try it at your house since that is Candys comfort zone. The only thing you got to tell me before yelling at me for calling Stephanie was that you couldn't take 2 children to your home because you have 7 dogs there. I don't see the problem Stormy as on your site you state your dogs are socialized. So you "found" me a puppy huh. You asked me to call a breeder you knew and get a second opinion from which I found out that the puppy you were showing me belonged to that breeder (you didn't just find it), did you ever wonder why I didn't call to ask for her opinion and instead called several other breeders, some that I found off YTCA. I just didn't think her opinion would be completely honest. I wasn't going to deny my deposit was returned, that was what I was going to post but ran into your post full of lies. I got the $465, I actually thought that after all the hurt you caused me you would feel bad and still send the $500 but guess not. Well I guess there are good breeders and then the ones that are called breeders because they throw two dogs together and have a litter I sure know which one you fall under. If people here are willing to believe you I don't blame them as I fell for your lies too. Stormy you're a grown woman you should by now know a lie from the truth, please start saying the truth. If by writing about what happened dirties your name well like I said earlier you must have done something wrong.

09-20-2008, 06:48 PM	#49
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,455	There are two sides to every story obviously....I think this was a case of red flags going up to the breeder and her not wanting to sell to you. Apparently you were pushy - I'll stop a sale immediately if dealing with someone that I don't feel good about, and particular if they're pushy. I don't think she did anything wrong, unless I'm overlooking anything which I don't think I am. She gave the dog a second chance with children against her better judgement because you kept insisting. I would have been unmoveable about the subject and help pair purchaser with a nice matching puppy or give a referral if they decided not to buy from me. I think it's a bad move to try to damage a reputation or even threaten to because they were trying to look after the puppies best interest and that wasn't with you. Buyers can be quite finicky, just because they post their side first doesn't mean that we have to judge and slam the breeder.

09-20-2008, 08:53 PM	#51
bradyem Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 54	I'm certainly not a breeder but I do have experience with an aggressive puppy and children. My little Rockie (now going on 2) was fine with my children (when he was little) but aggressive towards anyone outside my home. He has become so much better as he's grown older (don't know if that's because of age or getting a pal for him (CC-girl, almost 1 now). I have had incidents of aggression towards my kids which started when he was probably 1 1/2 but I believe that was because of Rockie seeing himself just under myself and then my husband in the hiarchy of whose in charge. Once my son (who he was being aggressive with--nipping) was able to show him he was in charge, Rockie has done a lot better with him. However, in the beginning, we had to tell all outsiders (including my parents, in-laws) not to make eye contact with him nor attempt to touch him less they draw back a bloody stump. I'm happy to report that now Rockie doesn't aggress against outside family members and only occasionally attempts to nip at my son (he just rolls him on his back to let him know he's not in charge--and then lets him up --Rockie will then give him a little lick and he's good to go). I don't know if this helps but I think it's workable. Given that this pup is a little older it makes sense if she's not been around children to act this way--kids always want to crowd around while reading out at the same time--I'd probably do the same thing if I was her. I don't think she's to old to relearn, I think it will just take a little longer than if you had her when she was littler.

09-20-2008, 10:21 PM	#55
bradyem Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 54	P.S. As an FYI, it's Rcw Kennels in Kansas. We are lucky that she's perfectly fine other than the aggressive food behavior.