Stud Fee??

[sylvan]

CH means Champion , GP is grandparents. I am sorry for this next bit and I don't mean to be insulting, but as a breeder who spent years researching bloodlines and every last thing I could find about the breed itself...before beginning, I am disturbed by the lack of information you seem to possess about what you are doing. Just because you have two unaltered dogs, doesn't mean you should be breeding them. Have you checked into the health history of the preceding generations? Are you familiar with genetically linked health problems like PSS, LCP, luxating patellas, etc...? Are these dogs shining examples of the standard that you are trying to reproduce , or are we just adding to the pet population? I am disturbed by so many posts, not neccesarily this one, that seem to be fostering the backyard breeder and quibbling over details like stud fees, when the BIG PICTURE gets overlooked. I am not trying to be mean or snobby, I just love yorkshires and admire the breed originators who made it ther lives work to produce excellent specimens as examples for us to carry on. jmo

[Sunkissed]

Originally Posted by sylvan

CH means Champion , GP is grandparents. I am sorry for this next bit and I don't mean to be insulting, but as a breeder who spent years researching bloodlines and every last thing I could find about the breed itself...before beginning, I am disturbed by the lack of information you seem to possess about what you are doing. Just because you have two unaltered dogs, doesn't mean you should be breeding them. Have you checked into the health history of the preceding generations? Are you familiar with genetically linked health problems like PSS, LCP, luxating patellas, etc...? Are these dogs shining examples of the standard that you are trying to reproduce , or are we just adding to the pet population? I am disturbed by so many posts, not neccesarily this one, that seem to be fostering the backyard breeder and quibbling over details like stud fees, when the BIG PICTURE gets overlooked. I am not trying to be mean or snobby, I just love yorkshires and admire the breed originators who made it ther lives work to produce excellent specimens as examples for us to carry on. jmo

Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. I've only been on this forum for a few days now and I'm disturbed at all of the byb's I'm seeing around here. People breeding when they have NO CLUE as to what they're doing

[MEMnGIRL]

well, sorry if i offend you, but if i would have wanted to know what u thought about me breeding, i would have asked you that. The lady that wants to stud my male knows what she is doing. She has done it before. I hope to learn from her. We all have to start somewhere, we all cant be PROFESSIONALS. So anyways, sorry for asking. I will be doing it anyway with or without your help. I thought this was a place to get advice not be criticized.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by MEMnGIRL

well, sorry if i offend you, but if i would have wanted to know what u thought about me breeding, i would have asked you that. The lady that wants to stud my male knows what she is doing. She has done it before. I hope to learn from her. We all have to start somewhere, we all cant be PROFESSIONALS. So anyways, sorry for asking. I will be doing it anyway with or without your help. I thought this was a place to get advice not be criticized.

This is a place to get advice, but you have to expect a bit of criticism if you are only interested in asking about how much money you should expect for breeding your dog. Especially when you demonstrate your lack of knowledge with some of the basics. YES, everyone has to start somewhere and in a perfect world most people would ask lots and lots of questions beforhand and not be sorry for getting some un-asked for advice along the way. I don't claim to be a professional and I continue to try to learn anything I can to be able to do a better job at my hobby for the sake of the breed. You should not be insulted at being asked if you are aware of genetic health problems that could be passed to pups from your stud. If you have done the research, then great!, if not, why wouldn't you want to know this?

[MEMnGIRL]

you can give me the facts. i appreciate them as you can tell in earlier posts. but you dont have to talk down to me and you dont even know me and assume my agenda. I care alot for the breed especially my dogs. They are my pride and joy. I will make sure that they taken care of and remain healthy.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by MEMnGIRL

you can give me the facts. i appreciate them as you can tell in earlier posts. but you dont have to talk down to me and you dont even know me and assume my agenda. I care alot for the breed especially my dogs. They are my pride and joy. I will make sure that they taken care of and remain healthy.

You are right I don't know you and I did make an assumption and I apologize if I was incorrect. I looked back over your previous posts to see if I missed anything that would have led me to regard this in a different light. I am certain that you care very much for your dogs and their health, but I have not seen an answer to any of the questions posed to you about your dog being shown, having CH in his pedigree, outstanding limitations or drawbacks or genetic health history. I did see that you made contact with a breeder through an ad in the paper. I did see that you are having serious behavior issues with your male and that you paid $950. for your male and $1, 000. for your female with AKC registration. In my part of the country that is less than half of what it costs for a decent breeding dog with a good health history. Maybe things are different in Texas.

[wnalegria]

Are you prepared for your male to change from mild mannerd Clark Kent into a walking Penisaurs. Many a male will have a big change in attitude once they are used for breeding. A male who is housebroken will now hike his leg on anything in the house. This same male may also fight with another male dog in the house. He may also drive any other female that you own crazy wanting to breed.

Many a male dog has lost his home because he has been used for breeding - the owner can not tolerate the new bad aquired behavios of a stud dog or chooses after a period of time that it is simpler to just give the dog up and get another. We live in a throw a way society.

Belly bands are a option for a male in the house who hikes his leg- but they must be worn all the time.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I have not seen an answer to any of the questions posed to you about your dog being shown, having CH in his pedigree, outstanding limitations or drawbacks or genetic health history. I did see that you made contact with a breeder through an ad in the paper. I did see that you are having serious behavior issues with your male and that you paid $950. for your male and $1, 000. for your female with AKC registration. In my part of the country that is less than half of what it costs for a decent breeding dog with a good health history. Maybe things are different in Texas.

WOW the breeding police
Having champions in a dog/bitch pedigree doesnt prove anything except the paper its printed on and the color red! I know of many champions and champion Kennels that had and have liver shunt, roach back, LP.

[chloeandj]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

WOW the breeding police
Having champions in a dog/bitch pedigree doesnt prove anything except the paper its printed on and the color red! I know of many champions and champion Kennels that had and have liver shunt, roach back, LP.

I wanted to respond to this thread but didn't because I couldn't find the right words. You just did! I think it is great that we have so many people here learning from eachother. Many forums absolutely go nuts at even the word breeding being said, it is nice that it has not been like that here.

[whispersmom2]

I will not assume how much you know about breeding. It could be that you just have difficulty expressing yourself in your question, so I am giving the benefit of a doubt on that point. I do have to say that I agree with Sylvan's posts and the input she has posted. I am at a loss as to who would allow anyone to prove their male on one of their females when there are so many unknowns in the equations. Maybe you know more about the history of your male and the unknown female than I am seeing, so I will not speak to your specific situation, but I will say that in my area there is not a responsible breeder who would use a male (or female) in a breeding program that they have worked very hard to develop and are now getting healthy, good temperment because of the knowledge the breeder spent much time researching and breeding away from so many of the problems that we are now seeing in Yorkies.
If anyone feels they are being talked DOWN to...well, I will not finish that sentence.

[MEMnGIRL]

Well, u can assume that i dont know much about breeding. I dont. Nothing is set in stone. Im sure that when she calls, We will talk more about each others dogs and look over each others paper work and discuss the situation. I may not even do it. I am taking consideration for alot of the advice given. Sorry if i sound aggrevated, because i am. I asked for advice, not pompous... Well, I will not finish that sentence.

[sylvan]

It's me the pompous whatever again... Kimberly, I have a ton of respect for you, your posts are always thoughtful and informative. Your dogs are lovely and it's apparent how much work you put in to producing nice ones. You are correct that there are CH line dogs that have genetic problems also, but I do believe, and maybe it's naive of me, that more often than not a champion breeder will not knowingly reproduce a dog carrying these traits and really work hard to try to eliminate them.
The questions asked about CH lines etc were asked by dianesyorkies and repeated by Sunkissed and never answered, so I asked again. I asked about the health history of her stud because I feel very strongly that this should be addressed by anyone wanting to breed.
If you can tell me that you were unaware of what CH meant when you began breeding your dogs, I will just shut up.
If it makes me the Breeding Police to be concerned when someone doesn't want to discuss anything other than 'how much $?' ...then just pin on my badge.

[PinkMartini]

Originally Posted by sylvan

You are correct that there are CH line dogs that have genetic problems also, but I do believe, and maybe it's naive of me, that more often than not a champion breeder will not knowingly reproduce a dog carrying these traits and really work hard to try to eliminate them.
The questions asked about CH lines etc were asked by dianesyorkies and repeated by Sunkissed and never answered, so I asked again. I asked about the health history of her stud because I feel very strongly that this should be addressed by anyone wanting to breed.
If you can tell me that you were unaware of what CH meant when you began breeding your dogs, I will just shut up.
If it makes me the Breeding Police to be concerned when someone doesn't want to discuss anything other than 'how much $?' ...then just pin on my badge.

[feminvstr]

it was not meant with any disrespect, although yours and other posters request seemed more as a demand not a conversation.

as I read through the thread again a question of stud pricing expanded to a lecture or inquest...to breed or not to breed!

I must say Ive been guilty as well of giving this same lecture I am sure many times here but after reading my past comments I had to reflect, how would I have felt getting a lecture when I had merely asked a simple question, I imagined how I felt when I started, lost, lonely, scared to death but determined and prepared.

many of us tend to assume when protential breeders ask questions (very basic ones at that) if we can stun them, make them think then perhaps we can desuade them from breeding their precious little gal or guy.

funny thing is most are going to do what they want no matter what you or I say! You must give them the respect they are asking questions and seeking answers instead of running blind!

IMHO

[MEMnGIRL]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

it was not meant with any disrespect, although yours and other posters request seemed more as a demand not a conversation.

as I read through the thread again a question of stud pricing expanded to a lecture or inquest...to breed or not to breed!

I must say Ive been guilty as well of giving this same lecture I am sure many times here but after reading my past comments I had to reflect, how would I have felt getting a lecture when I had merely asked a simple question, I imagined how I felt when I started, lost, lonely, scared to death but determined and prepared.

many of us tend to assume when protential breeders ask questions (very basic ones at that) if we can stun them, make them think then perhaps we can desuade them from breeding their precious little gal or guy.

funny thing is most are going to do what they want no matter what you or I say! You must give them the respect they are asking questions and seeking answers instead of running blind!

IMHO

thank you...thats what we've been trying to say.i was unaware of such things as dog VD.these are our first pure breed dogs/house dogs.we want to do the best we can to make sure they stay healthy and happy,and they do.and as far as the health of the male..the male is ours and visits the vet so frequently they know him quite well...he is very healthy and happy.his papers do not show any sign of Ch's in his blood, but that doesnt mean everything if anything at all.both our male and female or just pets,a part of our family.the only reason we'r interested in breeding them is b/c our family and friends want puppys and b/c we keep hearing how cute everyone thinks our male is and that they would like to use him for studding.we just had a few questions so that we wouldnt go into this blindly and we could avoid any mistakes.we appreciate ur remarks,both good and bad...but we will breed them either way...if you want to help the breed,help us...dont just bust our balls....thank you.

from mem and girls dad,chris