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feminvstr · 07-31-2005, 08:24 PM

I want to tell a brief story that happened today

I did a Portland meetup today I have taken over the portland meetup because there is now a $20.00 per month charge just to maintain the website..I didnt want to pay their fees, but was asked to be the organizer, since I already had my website I notified all old member to communicate through my website (no members wanted to contribute to the Portland meet up fees after I emailed them to contribute $5.00 per year I had only two responses saying they would pay)...

ok long story short.....there was the sweetest young gal that truely loved her babies (she had male and female) she stated "I want to breed my male"...I felt really bad after she left because I know I hurt her feelings..

When she made the statement I was so quick to respond "there is no way you should even consider it" I also said "he is so off the breed standard it would be difficult to find someone that would be willing to breed to him unless of course you would be interested in studding to mix breeds" she was quick to respond "she would never he is AKC he should be bred AKC!" YIKES she was so insulted I doubt she will ever attend another meet up.

I should have kept my mouth shut and let her learn this all on her own!

sometimes less is more or more is less or live and let live!!

PinkMartini · 07-31-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I should have kept my mouth shut and let her learn this all on her own!

As much as I agree with that statment, I feel that if not the people who know the breed the best (AKA reputable breeders & showers) speak up against un-ethical breeding, then who? I think we all owe it to the breed (why else would people want to breed yorkies if not for the love of the breed?) to speak up when we KNOW better. (I.E. breeding an 'off-standard' yorkie)

CC's · 07-31-2005, 09:01 PM

IMO someone asking a question about breeding prior to breeding should be encouraged to learn.

The first questions should be "what if" and "what can be the complications" and "how can I learn", not "how much, how much". So a "how much" question does end up expanding.

I would worry about a drop coated breed stud with someone without knowledge, allowing hair to tangle around the penis, causing a need for amputation.
Also the possibility of a bitch dropping down or twisting wrong and injuring the male because the breeders don't know that can even happen.

These types of things although uncommon can and do happen. This is the kind of information people wanting to breed should be wanting and needing to know. This doesn't even take into account STD's, health screening, quality, or anything else. A $500 fee could turn into a huge vet bill if they don't learn about the other things needed to know.

As far as the price goes. Its what ever you want it to be.
It can go by your area, your knowledge, your dogs quality and what it has produced, and what its worth to you as the stud owner. There's no set in stone fair price. An unproven male, not shown, ? health testing, might not get enough to make it worth doing.

ingallsra · 08-01-2005, 01:11 AM

I think everyone should settle down for a minute and go back to a post put up by admin in the last week. He talked about our actions toward new members.
We are toooooo harsh on the newbies. She asked a simple question--answer it and leave it at that. Make other suggestions about related issues with the breeding, but don't get on a soap box. Maybe some of you haven't been talked down to much in you life, but some of us have, and I would not wish it on anyone.
New people need our support, and gentle encouragement--not harsh words. People, think about what you are posting sounds like before you post it. And think about how you would feel if someone talked to you like you were an idiot. Some of the condescending attitutes on this forum are the forum's biggest problem.
I've waited too long to post this--it should have been said before.
And MEMnGIRL---welcome to YT!

Olivier · 08-01-2005, 03:29 AM

IMO....... having a cute Yorkie is not enough to breed him .

A person I know have a Yorkie female , this female have an aggravate underbite
( her lower jaw is so small that it only cover the palate ) . Everytime peoples told her about this , she turn down the person telling them they were wrong or just jealous of her . She was so thrill to hear that her girl was cute that she decided to have her bred . The bitch need a C-section because she was too small and the pups inherited the same as the mother . The woman even try to sue the stud's owner and she was force to realize that her bitch have faults .She kept the 2 puppies . Yesterday , she called me asking me if I knew a reputable breeder because she wan another littler from her girl . I'll never help her even if I am at risk to have the word " Pompous Breeder " attach to me for a little while .

Sometimes peoples don't listen to nobodies and do as they want .

vms1177 · 08-01-2005, 05:01 AM

I think that people are going to do, what they are going to do!!! But I also hear people giving negative and judgemental feedback and this is constructive critisism?? Most likely that person will not hear what you have to say so if you think about how you are sending the message to someone especially if your goal is to be helpful to someone. Then how you approach that person is key. Its important on here because since we can't look at a person and read non-verbal behaviors or tone of voice its hard to know where we are coming from. I really think that if YT is supposed to be for people that love yorkies and want to discuss issues with others who also love their yorkies should not be verbally attacked. Two wrongs dont make a right.

Jack and Mandy's Mom

sylvan · 08-01-2005, 05:38 AM

I should have been nicer in my posts and should have found a more conciliatory method of relaying information. I was just very upset. I had 3 calls this week from people looking for pups. They all lost the yorkies they loved at a young age. Two from PSS and one from collapsed trachea. They were bought from Backyard breeders who didn't care enough to check out the health history of their dogs. I am in tears on the phone listening to stories of impossible vet bills and last heartbreaking moments. I come on here and see someone who joined in January and hasn't asked a single question about breeding their dog except for the 'how much $' and then ignored people who were asking legitimate questions and I lost my cool and got up on the soapbox.
Probably not the best approach. sorry

wnalegria · 08-01-2005, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvan

I should have been nicer in my posts and should have found a more conciliatory method of relaying information. I was just very upset. I had 3 calls this week from people looking for pups. They all lost the yorkies they loved at a young age. Two from PSS and one from collapsed trachea. They were bought from Backyard breeders who didn't care enough to check out the health history of their dogs. I am in tears on the phone listening to stories of impossible vet bills and last heartbreaking moments. I come on here and see someone who joined in January and hasn't asked a single question about breeding their dog except for the 'how much $' and then ignored people who were asking legitimate questions and I lost my cool and got up on the soapbox.
Probably not the best approach. sorry

Hey I joined this forum in June. I asked some of the same questions of posts that you have done- regarding the use of studs-breeding of females. I was met with mob mentality by some memebers.

I was told on my website and on my email that I was a B______. That they do not need to be lectured by me, I talked down to them- like a teacher.
I don't know it all. Never said I Did. It is their GOD given right to do what ever they want to do.

So I have backed off. It has been made clear by some that unless certain members of the forum state a idea it can not be true or of any value.

You might as well sit back and cool off. Have a nice glass of Ice Tea make a friend on the forum who shares your ideas and talk to them. That is what I did. We have so much fun laughing and sharing our thoughts. Do we agree on everything no- but the same basic ideas. We wish we could could come up with a way to help those folks- but some do not want your help.

If you post on the forum- what are you learning if everyone pats you on the back or head and says- "oh how wonderful" "oh how cute" you have learned nothing. Read the posts- you asked for info and advice by placing the posts. Take what others have to share.

We ask questions on the posts- very few will answer simple things like" did you take the dog to the vet ? You never answer Red flags go up when you state a simple problem and are crying about a cash outlay of $50.00 cause you have earmites or worms and want my sympathy. But you are buying clothes for them cause it will look so cute. Your pet has my sympathy- because they do not feel well- and I hope that you are getting the correct treatment for them.

Welcome to the real world- It takes a lot of money to care for these dogs. There are numerous instances someone is in over their head and then wants ideas how to fix the situation. They have put no time, effort, or understanding into what they have done to the dog they love so much. They are not financially prepared to put the money out when they need to see the vet. It goes on and on.

We talk about puppymills and backyard breeders and the sad- poor quality- unhealthy puppies that are produced. Are some of us any better. If the correct genetics are not behind a male and female- no amount of prenatal care will make their puppies healthy. Some things you just can't fix.

I have three lovely children- all three will not be able to have biological children because of genetics. They have health problems that are quite severe ( hereditary) and will have to become parents by adopting. They choose to not pass this on to another generation. If we only showed such restraint when it came to the breeding of our pets.

So that I don't get the hate mail again- I never said you can't breed your pet- I have said over and over- read and learn about your breed before you breed.

Oh by the way how come you got a badge? I didn't get one. Thats not fair

MEMnGIRL · 08-01-2005, 08:10 AM

its understandable that everyone here has their views on what to do and what not to do.i am younger than prolly most of the members on here and if this was a topic i knew more on,such as catching shoplifters or car stuff and someone here was saying something that i didnt feel was accurate or was more concerned in another point of the topic than one i felt was more important.so i understand where some of you come from.and yea maybe your right,keep the breed standard.but u know iv seen some of the "champion" yorkies around..and a few of them are nothing special.so yea part of my reason to want to breed my dogs are because they are cute ,very healthy and b/c i have people begging for puppies or calling all the time to stud my male.now that doesnt mean thats all im concerned with.i live within a 1/4 mile from our vet and they go to the vet quite regularly.and when i ask questions about breeding,i ask my vet.thats why i didnt ask about the risks of breeding or what to look for and worry about.i ask my vet all that and prolly would have asked yorkietalk when the time came closer.my g/f asked about the studding fee..not b/c we wanted money,b/c trust money is of no concern to us and tho we may bitch about it,we spare no expenses on our babies....we asked about the stud fee b/c we didnt want to ask to much or ask something at all if we werent supose to.we wanted to go into this without offending anyone and coming off as backyard breeders or puppy pimps.if you love the breed so much,you should have helped us to learn the right things to ask and to do,maybe even the right books to read or websites to look at.not attack us and look down on us b/c you have a 30 year head start.we will stay around this site and continue to talk on here and ask questions.but we wont ask about breeding anymore.not here atleast.and whether you want to except it or not theres is a diff. b/t us and backyard breeders.we care for the puppies and our babies.we love the breed and would never want to hurt it.some of you call yourselves professional breeders.i dont want to be a professional breeder.this isnt my life or a hobbie.its me sharing my love and enjoyment for the breed with other that can take them in and give them a good home and love them as i do.i have no desire to be a puppy pimp and make a living buying and selling yorkies and looking down on people b/c i have nothing else to do with my life and time other than breed and run puppymills.and for those of you who show your yorkie,congrats.that takes time and talent and i give you respect for it.but just b/c you breed and you have 5-6 yorkies running around your house b/c their pups pay the bills,doesnt make you special.thats all i have..hate it or love it...i really couldnt care less....

...chris

hockeymom · 08-01-2005, 08:14 AM

Kathy that was very well said. I have learned so much reading the post by reputable and experienced breeders on YT. There is a wealth of knowledge to be derived from hands on experience. I feel like I am lucky to have this kind of knowledge at my finger tips.

My dad told me something when I was young, and at the time I had no idea what he meant:

“A stupid person already knows everything ; an ignorant person just hasn’t been educated.”

I know I'm ignorant, I just don't want to be stupid. Thanks for helping me learn

wnalegria · 08-01-2005, 01:22 PM

If I am not mistaken this thread starts out that you placed an ad in the paper advertising your male for stud. You have made up your mind to do something and then you want advice. This is what I have been talking about. Get your information, get your facts, before you open the flood gates.

You should have been asking questions before you placed an advertisement in the paper not after.

If your male is such nice quality- and better then the Ch.'s that you have seen- show him- let others see him and what he has to offer.

Your vet could have- should have told you about the veneral diseases that dogs can have and what should be done before you breed an outside bitch. Did you talk to him. Do you know what days to breed the bitch?

Stating the females owner knows what to do is a lame excuse. You did not do your homework. You were not prepared.

I had a yorkshire terrier for 4 years before I bred my first litter. I went to shows, I asked questions, I bought books on breeding and yorkies, and I did this over and over again. I was 21 years old. Being young is no excuse.

People are trying to help you. You have to open your eyes and ears. They are not being hateful. They are trying to share what they have learned through experience good and bad. They are trying to help you not make the mistakes that we all have made. It is much easier to prevent the problem then to try and solve the problem once it has been created.

Do any of us have all the answers no? I learn and come up with new ideas everyday from things I read on this forum- some will work others not but I am open minded.

I have yet to see a post on this site from someone who wanted to breed who states- what they do not like about their male or female and what they are trying to correct with this breeding. Why they chose a certain male or female. If I need advice I ask my friends and say- hey I am wanting to breed so and so- I don't like this about her- I want to improve- color- movement= ear set etc. what do you think puppies out of this male would be like. We sit down and work it out. We look at pedigrees- They are important. you could be breeding a brother and sister together and know it.

I may get 4 different thoughts- but we talk about it like adults- and have dsicussion - good and bad points. There is no crying. I have been gave valuable insight for a question that I asked for help on.

I have 4 males available for stud to me at this time and I am looking for a outside male to breed my Mazie to this fall. I am looking to correct a particular fault and do not feel that I have the right male for the job.
So I look and research and look and research and learn

PinkMartini · 08-01-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wnalegria

If I am not mistaken this thread starts out that you placed an ad in the paper advertising your male for stud. You have made up your mind to do something and then you want advice. This is what I have been talking about. Get your information, get your facts, before you open the flood gates.

You should have been asking questions before you placed an advertisement in the paper not after.

If your male is such nice quality- and better then the Ch.'s that you have seen- show him- let others see him and what he has to offer.

Your vet could have- should have told you about the veneral diseases that dogs can have and what should be done before you breed an outside bitch. Did you talk to him. Do you know what days to breed the bitch?

Stating the females owner knows what to do is a lame excuse. You did not do your homework. You were not prepared.

I had a yorkshire terrier for 4 years before I bred my first litter. I went to shows, I asked questions, I bought books on breeding and yorkies, and I did this over and over again. I was 21 years old. Being young is no excuse.

People are trying to help you. You have to open your eyes and ears. They are not being hateful. They are trying to share what they have learned through experience good and bad. They are trying to help you not make the mistakes that we all have made. It is much easier to prevent the problem then to try and solve the problem once it has been created.

Do any of us have all the answers no? I learn and come up with new ideas everyday from things I read on this forum- some will work others not but I am open minded.

I have yet to see a post on this site from someone who wanted to breed who states- what they do not like about their male or female and what they are trying to correct with this breeding. Why they chose a certain male or female. If I need advice I ask my friends and say- hey I am wanting to breed so and so- I don't like this about her- I want to improve- color- movement= ear set etc. what do you think puppies out of this male would be like. We sit down and work it out. We look at pedigrees- They are important. you could be breeding a brother and sister together and know it.

I may get 4 different thoughts- but we talk about it like adults- and have dsicussion - good and bad points. There is no crying. I have been gave valuable insight for a question that I asked for help on.

I have 4 males available for stud to me at this time and I am looking for a outside male to breed my Mazie to this fall. I am looking to correct a particular fault and do not feel that I have the right male for the job.
So I look and research and look and research and learn

Good post. I hope someone actually reads this and learns from it

MEMnGIRL · 08-01-2005, 01:33 PM

we didnt put an ad in the paper to stud our male...we left pictures at the groomers shop that we take our yorkies to b/c the lady asked for some and we had people get our info from the groomer and call us asking to use our male to stud....we never put an ad in the paper.....must hav worded it wrong,sorry

MEMnGIRL · 08-01-2005, 01:49 PM

and also i never said my dogs were better than any champs or better than anyone elses here...i never even implied that....i just said there nothin special to me....some people have come off here as if that there dog is better than mine b/c it may b a champ or b/c they breed for a certain look....thats nice if u like them to look a certain way..watever makes u happy n gives them a good home..congrats...but dont bust my balls b/c im not after a champion.i jsut want an addition to the family...

we never said we didnt want or like the help or your views and ideas...jsut asked not to be talken down to....that is all
...chris

MEMnGIRL · 08-01-2005, 02:06 PM

is there an admin here or sumone that can close this thread...its goin nowhere and doing nothing but becoming and argument over the same stuff over and over again...beleive it or not im not tryin to make enemys here..its understandable how some of you guys can be so passionate over breeding.and i have no problem with it .just your aproach you use to make your point....so with that said,please lock this thread before it goes where it doesnt need to...thank you

chris

07-31-2005, 08:24 PM	#31
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	I want to tell a brief story that happened today I did a Portland meetup today I have taken over the portland meetup because there is now a $20.00 per month charge just to maintain the website..I didnt want to pay their fees, but was asked to be the organizer, since I already had my website I notified all old member to communicate through my website (no members wanted to contribute to the Portland meet up fees after I emailed them to contribute $5.00 per year I had only two responses saying they would pay)... ok long story short.....there was the sweetest young gal that truely loved her babies (she had male and female) she stated "I want to breed my male"...I felt really bad after she left because I know I hurt her feelings.. When she made the statement I was so quick to respond "there is no way you should even consider it" I also said "he is so off the breed standard it would be difficult to find someone that would be willing to breed to him unless of course you would be interested in studding to mix breeds" she was quick to respond "she would never he is AKC he should be bred AKC!" YIKES she was so insulted I doubt she will ever attend another meet up. I should have kept my mouth shut and let her learn this all on her own! sometimes less is more or more is less or live and let live!! __________________ Kimberly Last edited by feminvstr; 07-31-2005 at 08:28 PM.

08-01-2005, 08:14 AM	#40
hockeymom YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 418	Kathy that was very well said. I have learned so much reading the post by reputable and experienced breeders on YT. There is a wealth of knowledge to be derived from hands on experience. I feel like I am lucky to have this kind of knowledge at my finger tips. My dad told me something when I was young, and at the time I had no idea what he meant: “A stupid person already knows everything ; an ignorant person just hasn’t been educated.” I know I'm ignorant, I just don't want to be stupid. Thanks for helping me learn __________________ Deb Scooter,Cheyenne, and Dakota

07-31-2005, 09:01 PM	#33
CC's YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 402	IMO someone asking a question about breeding prior to breeding should be encouraged to learn. The first questions should be "what if" and "what can be the complications" and "how can I learn", not "how much, how much". So a "how much" question does end up expanding. I would worry about a drop coated breed stud with someone without knowledge, allowing hair to tangle around the penis, causing a need for amputation. Also the possibility of a bitch dropping down or twisting wrong and injuring the male because the breeders don't know that can even happen. These types of things although uncommon can and do happen. This is the kind of information people wanting to breed should be wanting and needing to know. This doesn't even take into account STD's, health screening, quality, or anything else. A $500 fee could turn into a huge vet bill if they don't learn about the other things needed to know. As far as the price goes. Its what ever you want it to be. It can go by your area, your knowledge, your dogs quality and what it has produced, and what its worth to you as the stud owner. There's no set in stone fair price. An unproven male, not shown, ? health testing, might not get enough to make it worth doing.

08-01-2005, 01:11 AM	#34
ingallsra YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 367	I think everyone should settle down for a minute and go back to a post put up by admin in the last week. He talked about our actions toward new members. We are toooooo harsh on the newbies. She asked a simple question--answer it and leave it at that. Make other suggestions about related issues with the breeding, but don't get on a soap box. Maybe some of you haven't been talked down to much in you life, but some of us have, and I would not wish it on anyone. New people need our support, and gentle encouragement--not harsh words. People, think about what you are posting sounds like before you post it. And think about how you would feel if someone talked to you like you were an idiot. Some of the condescending attitutes on this forum are the forum's biggest problem. I've waited too long to post this--it should have been said before. And MEMnGIRL---welcome to YT!

08-01-2005, 03:29 AM	#35
Olivier Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,999	IMO....... having a cute Yorkie is not enough to breed him . A person I know have a Yorkie female , this female have an aggravate underbite ( her lower jaw is so small that it only cover the palate ) . Everytime peoples told her about this , she turn down the person telling them they were wrong or just jealous of her . She was so thrill to hear that her girl was cute that she decided to have her bred . The bitch need a C-section because she was too small and the pups inherited the same as the mother . The woman even try to sue the stud's owner and she was force to realize that her bitch have faults .She kept the 2 puppies . Yesterday , she called me asking me if I knew a reputable breeder because she wan another littler from her girl . I'll never help her even if I am at risk to have the word " Pompous Breeder " attach to me for a little while . Sometimes peoples don't listen to nobodies and do as they want .

08-01-2005, 05:01 AM	#36
vms1177 Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 342	I think that people are going to do, what they are going to do!!! But I also hear people giving negative and judgemental feedback and this is constructive critisism?? Most likely that person will not hear what you have to say so if you think about how you are sending the message to someone especially if your goal is to be helpful to someone. Then how you approach that person is key. Its important on here because since we can't look at a person and read non-verbal behaviors or tone of voice its hard to know where we are coming from. I really think that if YT is supposed to be for people that love yorkies and want to discuss issues with others who also love their yorkies should not be verbally attacked. Two wrongs dont make a right. Jack and Mandy's Mom

08-01-2005, 05:38 AM	#37
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	I should have been nicer in my posts and should have found a more conciliatory method of relaying information. I was just very upset. I had 3 calls this week from people looking for pups. They all lost the yorkies they loved at a young age. Two from PSS and one from collapsed trachea. They were bought from Backyard breeders who didn't care enough to check out the health history of their dogs. I am in tears on the phone listening to stories of impossible vet bills and last heartbreaking moments. I come on here and see someone who joined in January and hasn't asked a single question about breeding their dog except for the 'how much $' and then ignored people who were asking legitimate questions and I lost my cool and got up on the soapbox. Probably not the best approach. sorry

08-01-2005, 08:10 AM	#39
MEMnGIRL Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 44	its understandable that everyone here has their views on what to do and what not to do.i am younger than prolly most of the members on here and if this was a topic i knew more on,such as catching shoplifters or car stuff and someone here was saying something that i didnt feel was accurate or was more concerned in another point of the topic than one i felt was more important.so i understand where some of you come from.and yea maybe your right,keep the breed standard.but u know iv seen some of the "champion" yorkies around..and a few of them are nothing special.so yea part of my reason to want to breed my dogs are because they are cute ,very healthy and b/c i have people begging for puppies or calling all the time to stud my male.now that doesnt mean thats all im concerned with.i live within a 1/4 mile from our vet and they go to the vet quite regularly.and when i ask questions about breeding,i ask my vet.thats why i didnt ask about the risks of breeding or what to look for and worry about.i ask my vet all that and prolly would have asked yorkietalk when the time came closer.my g/f asked about the studding fee..not b/c we wanted money,b/c trust money is of no concern to us and tho we may bitch about it,we spare no expenses on our babies....we asked about the stud fee b/c we didnt want to ask to much or ask something at all if we werent supose to.we wanted to go into this without offending anyone and coming off as backyard breeders or puppy pimps.if you love the breed so much,you should have helped us to learn the right things to ask and to do,maybe even the right books to read or websites to look at.not attack us and look down on us b/c you have a 30 year head start.we will stay around this site and continue to talk on here and ask questions.but we wont ask about breeding anymore.not here atleast.and whether you want to except it or not theres is a diff. b/t us and backyard breeders.we care for the puppies and our babies.we love the breed and would never want to hurt it.some of you call yourselves professional breeders.i dont want to be a professional breeder.this isnt my life or a hobbie.its me sharing my love and enjoyment for the breed with other that can take them in and give them a good home and love them as i do.i have no desire to be a puppy pimp and make a living buying and selling yorkies and looking down on people b/c i have nothing else to do with my life and time other than breed and run puppymills.and for those of you who show your yorkie,congrats.that takes time and talent and i give you respect for it.but just b/c you breed and you have 5-6 yorkies running around your house b/c their pups pay the bills,doesnt make you special.thats all i have..hate it or love it...i really couldnt care less.... ...chris

08-01-2005, 01:22 PM	#41
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	If I am not mistaken this thread starts out that you placed an ad in the paper advertising your male for stud. You have made up your mind to do something and then you want advice. This is what I have been talking about. Get your information, get your facts, before you open the flood gates. You should have been asking questions before you placed an advertisement in the paper not after. If your male is such nice quality- and better then the Ch.'s that you have seen- show him- let others see him and what he has to offer. Your vet could have- should have told you about the veneral diseases that dogs can have and what should be done before you breed an outside bitch. Did you talk to him. Do you know what days to breed the bitch? Stating the females owner knows what to do is a lame excuse. You did not do your homework. You were not prepared. I had a yorkshire terrier for 4 years before I bred my first litter. I went to shows, I asked questions, I bought books on breeding and yorkies, and I did this over and over again. I was 21 years old. Being young is no excuse. People are trying to help you. You have to open your eyes and ears. They are not being hateful. They are trying to share what they have learned through experience good and bad. They are trying to help you not make the mistakes that we all have made. It is much easier to prevent the problem then to try and solve the problem once it has been created. Do any of us have all the answers no? I learn and come up with new ideas everyday from things I read on this forum- some will work others not but I am open minded. I have yet to see a post on this site from someone who wanted to breed who states- what they do not like about their male or female and what they are trying to correct with this breeding. Why they chose a certain male or female. If I need advice I ask my friends and say- hey I am wanting to breed so and so- I don't like this about her- I want to improve- color- movement= ear set etc. what do you think puppies out of this male would be like. We sit down and work it out. We look at pedigrees- They are important. you could be breeding a brother and sister together and know it. I may get 4 different thoughts- but we talk about it like adults- and have dsicussion - good and bad points. There is no crying. I have been gave valuable insight for a question that I asked for help on. I have 4 males available for stud to me at this time and I am looking for a outside male to breed my Mazie to this fall. I am looking to correct a particular fault and do not feel that I have the right male for the job. So I look and research and look and research and learn

08-01-2005, 01:33 PM	#43
MEMnGIRL Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 44	we didnt put an ad in the paper to stud our male...we left pictures at the groomers shop that we take our yorkies to b/c the lady asked for some and we had people get our info from the groomer and call us asking to use our male to stud....we never put an ad in the paper.....must hav worded it wrong,sorry

08-01-2005, 01:49 PM	#44
MEMnGIRL Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 44	and also i never said my dogs were better than any champs or better than anyone elses here...i never even implied that....i just said there nothin special to me....some people have come off here as if that there dog is better than mine b/c it may b a champ or b/c they breed for a certain look....thats nice if u like them to look a certain way..watever makes u happy n gives them a good home..congrats...but dont bust my balls b/c im not after a champion.i jsut want an addition to the family... we never said we didnt want or like the help or your views and ideas...jsut asked not to be talken down to....that is all ...chris

08-01-2005, 02:06 PM	#45
MEMnGIRL Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 44	is there an admin here or sumone that can close this thread...its goin nowhere and doing nothing but becoming and argument over the same stuff over and over again...beleive it or not im not tryin to make enemys here..its understandable how some of you guys can be so passionate over breeding.and i have no problem with it .just your aproach you use to make your point....so with that said,please lock this thread before it goes where it doesnt need to...thank you chris