Do you breeders really make no money at all from breeding??

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Luv of 3

Thank You,, for a Kind, Pleasant AND Helpful reply, i appreciate it!

No problem...you will find that you will be offered help and support from great breeders when you show that you are willing to learn, go about things the right way and not rush into it. Just remember, good things come to those who wait. (I think it was around 3 years that I was in contract with my breeders before I got my first breeding pair...and I was researching on my own before that.) Kudos for hanging in there.
Just keep asking around...your vet may be able to recommend you to someone as well. Also, see if there are any local groups or affiliate clubs you could check out too.

[BamaFan121s]

OMG Tami...I was rolling when it hit the mini-van.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I think this cute little note sums it up quite well for show breeders:
Why Show People End up Broke

The Most Expensive Collar you ever bought?

Why of course ..that very first Show collar!

How it all began?

In the Beginning...
You got your dog, a real show dog, and quickly realized that you needed the
Correct collar to show him on. Which in turn led you to that wonderful
Buttery smooth three foot leather lead.

At your very first show, you noticed that you just HAD to have the proper
Grooming supplies also....
Slicker Brush $9.00
Comb $10.00
Spray Bottle $4.00
Good Conditioner $15.00
Water Bottle $4.00
Pin Brush $15.00
Bait $10.00
NEW Collar(your dog has now out grown that first one)$14.00 Chalk $9.00
Chalk Brush $15.00 Cholesterol $10.00

YOUR FIRST POINT.*****YOU'RE HOOKED****** ** Bait $10.00 Dog show calendar
$12.00-don't want to miss ANY s hows now.

By now you're beginning to realize the back seat isn't a proper way to
Transport your dog.
Dog Crate for the car $80.00

At your very next show you begin to feel a bit more confident and relaxed at
Dog shows.
Borrowing and waiting to use your friends grooming table is so
Inconvenient. ...
Grooming Table $95.00
Grooming Arm $50.00
Bait $10.00

You begin to start collecting dog show things, old towels, skirts with
Pockets, dresses with pockets, good comfortable shoes, rain gear, umbrellas,
Water jugs, etc $100.00

Now you have too many grooming supplies?...
Tack Box to store and hold the supplies $50.00

Good comfortable Camp Chairs $35.00-we seem to be spending much more time at
Shows lately.

Suddenly you realize all of these items AND your dog don't fit in the family
Car anymore....
Used Mini Van $15,000.

Somewhere around this point you get ! Tired of waiting to use your friends
Blow dryer....
New blow dryer $150.00
Extension Cord for Dryer $15.00
Five-way plug for sharing electricity with your new dog show friends $10.00
New and improved dog show collar and lead $40.00 New type of improved Coat
Conditioner $15.00 Bait $10.00 Your friends favorite Shampoo and Whitener
$35.00 New Comb and Slicker brush $25.00 (you lost the old ones at the last
Show) Scissors $30.00 (kitchen shears just don't trim those pads
Right)

Muddy Show grounds..Roll up mat for covering ground $45.00 YOUR DOG PICKED
UP HER NINTH SINGLE

The hunt for majors begins. After wasting much money on entries where majors
Didn't hold you begin to get frustrated and search out and find that new
Male show puppy and a perfect match for your female!....
Crate for new dog $80.00
Show collar and lead for new dog $50.00 (your tastes have been refined now)
Handling classes for new dog $40.00

The very if! First show teaches you, your Mini Van will not carry both crates
And all your equipment... .
Brand New Larger Mini Van $25,000.00

Now having two dogs to show and get ready quickly teaches you a generator is
Required!
Generator $325.00
Two Dog Kennels for outside $1,000.00

Just got to pick up one of those majors on your female so you hire a handler
For those major shows $200.00 (+/-) YOUR FEMALE FINISHES!

Your new male is too young to breed.....
Updating & Health Clearances on Female $200.00 Stud Fee $1,000.00
Progesterone Testing $200.00 Whelping box $250.00 Vet bills-x-rays,
Sonograms, well mother checks $400.00 Putting first aid whelping kit
Together $300.00 Vaccines for new litter $150.00 X-pen for puppies $80.00
Whelping pads, fleeces, toys for puppies, weaning supplies, etc $450.00 Baby
Scale $45.00 Well puppy and mother exams $150.00

Spectacular puppy in litter will be new show dog....
Immediately realize Mi! In Van will NOT hold three dogs and show equipment... .
Motor Home or Full size dog show van $30, 000 to $100,000.00! !!!!!!!!
You suddenly realize you are eating macaroni and cheese while your dogs are
Eating Human Grade Dog food at $55.00 a bag.

Congratulations!
You have now earned the title of "Dog Breeder!"
Aren't you glad you are finally making those big bucks breeding dogs? So far
you have invested $75,652.00 in showing your two dogs.

*This figure does NOT include dog food, the initial cost of your dogs, entry
fees, motel bills, general vet bills, toys and Many other ownership
incidentals.

Your litter of pups yielded six puppies, you kept one and sold the other
five for $500.00 each. Congratulations you just made $2,500.00 "Breeding
your dogs!"

Now if you can just breed 30 or more litters you MAY just break even with
your initial investment of over $75,000!

Author Unknown

Ok.. lets see how many show breeders actually went through all of the steps... because some of the things aren't being done and if looking right, somethings you can get cheaper.

Again, I wasn't talking about all breeders...

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

Ok.. lets see how many show breeders actually went through all of the steps... because some of the things aren't being done and if looking right, somethings you can get cheaper.

Again, I wasn't talking about all breeders...

Going through what steps? Basic things have to be done to show. Quality dog must be purchased, basic supplies and equipment must be bought, entries must be paid for, transportation must be had. Sure you may find a better deal on a minivan but that's not the point. The point is it kinda snow balls and if you thought you were going to make some money doing this and show to you quickly find that it just doesn't happen. My vet is glad that I breed, and AKC is delighted. Me, I'm just having fun and have given up the idea of making enough to pay off my student loan. I work for a living, I breed so that I can show. It's kinda like golf, you don't expect to be Tiger Woods and get rich, you just do your best and have fun! The story was to keep things light, so be light!!! Life is about more than money, it's about making people smile. I just gave a retired gal away to a woman who has always wanted a yorkie. Didn't make a penny, even gave a way a crate and food but we both got a smile.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

Going through what steps? Basic things have to be done to show. Quality dog must be purchased, basic supplies and equipment must be bought, entries must be paid for, transportation must be had. Sure you may find a better deal on a minivan but that's not the point. The point is it kinda snow balls and if you thought you were going to make some money doing this and show to you quickly find that it just doesn't happen. My vet is glad that I breed, and AKC is delighted. Me, I'm just having fun and have given up the idea of making enough to pay off my student loan. I work for a living, I breed so that I can show. It's kinda like golf, you don't expect to be Tiger Woods and get rich, you just do your best and have fun! The story was to keep things light, so be light!!! Life is about more than money, it's about making people smile. I just gave a retired gal away to a woman who has always wanted a yorkie. Didn't make a penny, even gave a way a crate and food but we both got a smile.

... Well you know what I meant when I said steps (you can take steps away)... When I said everything I was not at all talking about exhibitors. I was talkling about regular people that just breed.

ANd just like you said, it's a hobby. When you have a hobby you pay for it slowly. If you are into golf you pay for you items and membership monthly. you pay for different items when showing at different times... some this month some the next. This month you bought the hair products and kennel, the next you buy this or that. I get that.

So, (I'm about to irk a few people..lol), why are some show breeders mad when people who don't show are breeding? I mean You follow a standard, Why can't they follow their own standard? At the end You are breeding for a healthy, beautiful dog that is wanted. So why get mad at them when they are doing the same thing but not to that standard but to their own? I remember when I made a thread about why yorkies was created and I remember everyone saying that now it's only to show their health, beauty, temp, etc. But Other breeders that don't show are being put down for foing the same thing you're doing but following their own standards..... LOL

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

So, (I'm about to irk a few people..lol), why are some show breeders mad when people who don't show are breeding? I mean You follow a standard, Why can't they follow their own standard? At the end You are breeding for a healthy, beautiful dog that is wanted. So why get mad at them when they are doing the same thing but not to that standard but to their own? I remember when I made a thread about why yorkies was created and I remember everyone saying that now it's only to show their health, beauty, temp, etc. But Other breeders that don't show are being put down for foing the same thing you're doing but following their own standards..... LOL

The thing is - there is only ONE standard for the Yorkshire Terrier, and you can find that on the YTCA website or AKC's website. That ONE standard is the only one that should be followed.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

So, (I'm about to irk a few people..lol), why are some show breeders mad when people who don't show are breeding? I mean You follow a standard, Why can't they follow their own standard? At the end You are breeding for a healthy, beautiful dog that is wanted. So why get mad at them when they are doing the same thing but not to that standard but to their own? I remember when I made a thread about why yorkies was created and I remember everyone saying that now it's only to show their health, beauty, temp, etc. But Other breeders that don't show are being put down for foing the same thing you're doing but following their own standards..... LOL

I don't think show breeders (or non show breeders or non breeders for that matter) are mad that people don't show. I think people in general get mad when people just breed willy nilly for the heck of it, for money, because they think they have "cute" dogs....basically with no long term goals, sense of purpose other than the present 'I want to's' and with complete disregard to what they are doing to the breed. We see posts on here all the time, people who didn't get the dog they thought they would, or it doesn't look like a Yorkie, it's got genetic, health issues...THAT is what happens when people "breed to their own standard' and don't follow what others have worked hard to create.

The set standard regulates a Yorkie to look a certain way, weight a certain amount and have certain characteristics. In short, the things that make it a YORKIE and set it apart from other breeds. When you are not breeding to achieve and end result that mirrors that, you aren't breeding Yorkies, you're just breeding to get dogs.

And I think that the breakdown that Tami gave was just to demonstrate the unforseen costs involved, not meant to be taken so literally.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

The thing is - there is only ONE standard for the Yorkshire Terrier, and you can find that on the YTCA website or AKC's website. That ONE standard is the only one that should be followed.

But everyone can create their own standard. Their no law that says you have to follow that standard. I know you should want to follow that standard and blah blah blah but they are doing the same thing show exhibitors are doing. Bettering the standard they are following. .. right?

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by CherryCove

Also what you may think is not of quality dog isn't that just an opinion because everyone thinks their dog is the cutiest or the most adorable or handsome?

To a point, it's an opinion. But there is a written standard for the breed, and only those dogs that clearly meet the standard should be bred. Yes, most dogs are cute, but most don't meet the standard and shouldn't be bred. I think my baby is adorable and wouldn't trade her for the world but she's no where near show quality and has plenty of faults. Doesn't mean she's not pretty...just means she doesn't meet the standard for the breed. So there is a certain line where a dog clearly does or does not meet the standard. Where it becomes an opinion are the fine details...the "type" the individual breeder looks for - you'll find slight variations in color, face, height, length, etc..

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

But everyone can create their own standard. Their no law that says you have to follow that standard. I know you should want to follow that standard and blah blah blah but they are doing the same thing show exhibitors are doing. Bettering the standard they are following. .. right?

Their own? Sure they can set their own and follow it...but they have to think of another name for the dogs besides 'Yorkishire Terriers.' Yorkies already have a standard. If you're not following that, you're just breeding dogs, catered to suit your own program as it benefits you.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

But everyone can create their own standard. Their no law that says you have to follow that standard. I know you should want to follow that standard and blah blah blah but they are doing the same thing show exhibitors are doing. Bettering the standard they are following. .. right?

But there is only ONE standard. Yes, I guess anyone can create their own standard for the yorkie, but then they aren't truly breeding for the Yorkshire Terrier. The set standard for the breed defines important breed characteristics...these make a yorkie the breed that it is. If you ignore parts of this and breed what you want, your dogs don't exhibit what makes a yorkie a yorkie. People breed off standard dogs all the time which is why most yorkies don't look anything like a standard yorkie anymore. It's sad...yorkies are #2 dog in the nation and most people don't have a clue what a well-bred yorkie looks like. Way too many poor examples of the breed

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't think show breeders (or non show breeders or non breeders for that matter) are mad that people don't show. I think people in general get mad when people just breed willy nilly for the heck of it, for money, because they think they have "cute" dogs....basically with no long term goals, sense of purpose other than the present 'I want to's' and with complete disregard to what they are doing to the breed. We see posts on here all the time, people who didn't get the dog they thought they would, or it doesn't look like a Yorkie, it's got genetic, health issues...THAT is what happens when people "breed to their own standard' and don't follow what others have worked hard to create.

The set standard regulates a Yorkie to look a certain way, weight a certain amount and have certain characteristics. In short, the things that make it a YORKIE and set it apart from other breeds. When you are not breeding to achieve and end result that mirrors that, you aren't breeding Yorkies, you're just breeding to get dogs.

And I think that the breakdown that Tami gave was just to demonstrate the unforseen costs involved, not meant to be taken so literally.

I understand what you mean on the first part. But still What if they create their own little standard that is slight dif. from the ones that are followed by AKC and YTCA? Shouldn't others not be mad about that since are following a standard that they had for a while or created? They are doing a hobby like exhibitors and is trying to put healthy, beautiful, great temp. puppies in new homes....

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Their own? Sure they can set their own and follow it...but they have to think of another name for the dogs besides 'Yorkishire Terriers.' Yorkies already have a standard. If you're not following that, you're just breeding dogs, catered to suit your own program as it benefits you.

I know one group that create their own name.... Teacup/Teapot yorkies! (I know Bad Joke.. )

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

I understand what you mean on the first part. But still What if they create their own little standard that is slight dif. from the ones that are followed by AKC and YTCA? Shouldn't others not be mad about that since are following a standard that they had for a while or created? They are doing a hobby like exhibitors and is trying to put healthy, beautiful, great temp. puppies in new homes....

No, that's not okay at all. Why would anyone want to breed for dogs that don't meet the standard? If you truly love a breed, why would you want to change it and turn it into something different?

[bjh]

If someone has a passion for breeding and producing wonderful, healthy and loving companions they should be rewarded. If you put your heart and soul into it and do it right you can make a little money if your are lucky. Showing is not for everyone and I would never condemn someone who wants to breed their Yorkie as long as they do it properly. There are many breeders on YT that breed beautiful dogs that do not show. Also, no matter how good of a breeder you are, sooner or later, chances are you will produce a puppy with health issues. There are many genetic defects that even the experts are not sure if they are hereditary or not. It does upset me at times that there are so many people breeding that don't have a clue as to what they are doing but then I think back to when I first started raising Yorkies 12 years ago and I made many of the same mistakes and I am still learning. Too me, a Yorkie should be first and foremost a healthy, loving companion and if it is quality enough to show then that is icing on the cake.