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[YorkieShadow]

Can we please have a another forum for re home Yorkies?

I ask this because in the forum Yorkie Rescues & New Homes Needed
there are alot of bashing /disagreeing going on lately for the ones who post re homes $ 300 or under.
while I do understand Shelter/ rescue/ homeless/ re homes all need homes.
and the ones who have only days hours left before they will be euthanized. is the most important and need homes now.

but members are starting to bump their threads above all the others. and most of them are from shelters but their being bumped above other threads on shelter dogs. Their all shelter dogs. who's to say what shelter dog needs a home before any of the others? they all need homes.


Now I admit I posted a few with sad eyes that needed re homed that were $300 or under. they were closed and I do understand that. But these dogs will also be the next dogs in shelters/ rescues. and I have read the rules and to me it is the place to post those dogs too.
This is for YORKIE RESCUES and YORKIES NEEDING NEW HOMES ONLY

while I did go through some of the older threads on that forum and some of the members who are complaining have posted these same kind of ads.
from some of the same sites or one or the other.
Kijiji, craigslist, petfinders.

so thats why I'm asking if there can be another forum added so all this disagreeing wont be going on. I know all of our hearts are in the right place.
I do feel that its best that there be a seperate forum.
those kill shelter dogs only have so much time.

please think about it. Thank you.

[red98vett]

Wow - I posted just THIS morning at 7 am in another thread and saw this request just now a day LATER........It was my first post about the Rescue Section and will copy it here.....I don't want you or anyone else thinking I was bashing and especially since I had no idea any bashing was going on but I did have questions similar to what you just said.....

this is what I posted and it pertained to the RESCUE Section - which I thought was to save dogs in danger of being put to sleep or dogs in dire need of homes......

My post (so I don't have to retype anything)

I'm a bit confused. When I keep seeing 'donation fee' and it's pretty much always $300 - is that a selling fee or a true rescue/save fee to keep these dogs from being put to sleep ?

I don't 'get' on Kiiji much but from what I've seen in the past - it's like a 'classified' site to sell dogs yes ? I'd love to see all dogs rescued but there are sooooo many on our forum now I wonder if the ones who are in true danger of being put to sleep are getting buried. Are ALL The dogs listed here really in shelters or are we helping BAD BREEDERS sell puppies who are acting like they're needing rescue ?

THIS IS JUST A QUESTION and not aimed at anyone - I just feel that there are so many sitting on death row and they may be overlooked due to all the $300 adoption fees I keep seeing listed.....Is anyone getting paid to post all these ads or are you all just searching the net and finding them randomly ?

NO one is financially able to 'save' all these poor dogs and I'm right up there with everyone else hoping they all find homes ....but some of the ad's I've seen look more like 'SALE' ads rather than true rescues....

Am I not seeing the picture correctly in the Rescue forum or are some of these dogs being sold by greeders that disguise themselves in hopes of making a fast $300.00 bucks ?

Don't the shelters and normally adopt out with shots and maybe include a spay/nueter for this kind of fee ?

On my local news - the Houston ASPCA has a dog/cat a day up for adoption - the fee is ALWAYS $85.00 complete with shots, spay/nueter - I love that segment on the news - I believe they all get 'adopted thanks to tv but I do wonder about the Kiiji site....

I'm just curious so no slamming me please !!!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Wow - I posted just THIS morning at 7 am in another thread and saw this request just now a day LATER........It was my first post about the Rescue Section and will copy it here.....I don't want you or anyone else thinking I was bashing and especially since I had no idea any bashing was going on but I did have questions similar to what you just said.....

this is what I posted and it pertained to the RESCUE Section - which I thought was to save dogs in danger of being put to sleep or dogs in dire need of homes......

My post (so I don't have to retype anything)

I'm a bit confused. When I keep seeing 'donation fee' and it's pretty much always $300 - is that a selling fee or a true rescue/save fee to keep these dogs from being put to sleep ?

I don't 'get' on Kiiji much but from what I've seen in the past - it's like a 'classified' site to sell dogs yes ? I'd love to see all dogs rescued but there are sooooo many on our forum now I wonder if the ones who are in true danger of being put to sleep are getting buried. Are ALL The dogs listed here really in shelters or are we helping BAD BREEDERS sell puppies who are acting like they're needing rescue ?

THIS IS JUST A QUESTION and not aimed at anyone - I just feel that there are so many sitting on death row and they may be overlooked due to all the $300 adoption fees I keep seeing listed.....Is anyone getting paid to post all these ads or are you all just searching the net and finding them randomly ?

NO one is financially able to 'save' all these poor dogs and I'm right up there with everyone else hoping they all find homes ....but some of the ad's I've seen look more like 'SALE' ads rather than true rescues....

Am I not seeing the picture correctly in the Rescue forum or are some of these dogs being sold by greeders that disguise themselves in hopes of making a fast $300.00 bucks ?

Don't the shelters and normally adopt out with shots and maybe include a spay/nueter for this kind of fee ?

On my local news - the Houston ASPCA has a dog/cat a day up for adoption - the fee is ALWAYS $85.00 complete with shots, spay/nueter - I love that segment on the news - I believe they all get 'adopted thanks to tv but I do wonder about the Kiiji site....

I'm just curious so no slamming me please !!!!

Wow~this has been my thoughts exactly and I couldn't have said it better myself!

Maybe the RESCUE and REHOME Forum needs to be renamed to Rescue Forum? Yorkies that are being rehomed would only be allowed to be posted by YORKIETALK MEMBERS who own the dog needing to be rehomed for $300 or less. Exceptions to this rule would be made by a Moderator of the Rescue Forum, since as we all know there are always exceptions to every rule I would think that an exception would be a member who knew someone personally who needed to Rehome their Yorkie and knew they would be able to find a wonderful home with a YT member. This way all of the links that are posted will be legitimate rescues and not walking that fine line between a Rescue/Rehome and a Yorkie that falls into the $300 being sold by "someone" who is not even a member of YT. If all of the links to the Kijiji. Craigslist, Hobbly were members of YT they would be posting in the For Sale section. If they were reputable the others breeders would be accepting of them as their peers and if not they would be weeded out for what they really are~BYBer making a few bucks off the backs of these dogs. Which as we all know is not a good breeder breeding for the betterment of the breed.
Just like the legitimate rescues know who is legit and who is hiding behind the label "RESCUE".

Maybe these breeders need to be invited to join the forum and them they would be allowed access to the For Sale forum? Isn't that kind of the idea that is being expressed that $300 For Sale puppies and adults need a home too? That way if a member is interested in purchasing one of these Yorkies these breeders would have a reputation within our community, questions could be asked and we could see some of these Yorkies as they grow and are given new homes.

[red98vett]

Good questions. The only thing I'd wonder about is - some of the listings on those sites could easily be scammers.....It would be hard to weed them out if they even bothered to join this site - I have a feeling some are just out to score $$... Plus - YT could become 'BYB Central' or a mini version of all those sites.

I agree there should be TWO sections - one for legit Shelter Saves and one for Re-homing - that way people would have the links and be able to make a connection to whoever is listed as the contact person...

I especially like a SHETER Rescue Only section - If it worked - members could go get those poor dogs - THEN post in the RE_HOMING Section ....or people could still post links as they're doing now along with the adoption fees....

These are just random thoughts - but I think things do need a little re-vamping .... I have a feeling some great dogs who's lives are in danger are slipping thru the many posts....

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Good questions. The only thing I'd wonder about is - some of the listings on those sites could easily be scammers.....It would be hard to weed them out if they even bothered to join this site - I have a feeling some are just out to score $$... Plus - YT could become 'BYB Central' or a mini version of all those sites.

I agree there should be TWO sections - one for legit Shelter Saves and one for Re-homing - that way people would have the links and be able to make a connection to whoever is listed as the contact person...

I especially like a SHETER Rescue Only section - If it worked - members could go get those poor dogs - THEN post in the RE_HOMING Section ....or people could still post links as they're doing now along with the adoption fees....

These are just random thoughts - but I think things do need a little re-vamping .... I have a feeling some great dogs who's lives are in danger are slipping thru the many posts....

I guess the point I was trying to make is if they becoming YT members and they joined they could then post in the For Sale forum of the board. Their legitimacy and intentions could be asked with direct questions could be asked and then the reputable breeder would be made know and the others in question would either chose not to be members OR they would be weeded out for what they really are. If you are cross posting ads "you" personally do not know who/what these people are really about~unless there are things that are being kept a secret ie they are your neighbor byber friends slipping you a few bucks under the table to peddle their yorkies to a site full of Yorkie lovers. THAT is not what the Rescue or For Sale form for that fact is all about.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I guess the point I was trying to make is if they becoming YT members and they joined they could then post in the For Sale forum of the board. Their legitimacy and intentions could be asked with direct questions could be asked and then the reputable breeder would be made know and the others in question would either chose not to be members OR they would be weeded out for what they really are. If you are cross posting ads "you" personally do not know who/what these people are really about~unless there are things that are being kept a secret ie they are your neighbor byber friends slipping you a few bucks under the table to peddle their yorkies to a site full of Yorkie lovers. THAT is not what the Rescue or For Sale form for that fact is all about.

I stopped keeping up with the breeders section a long time ago - too busy now for me but you have a good point

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Wow~this has been my thoughts exactly and I couldn't have said it better myself!

Maybe the RESCUE and REHOME Forum needs to be renamed to Rescue Forum? Yorkies that are being rehomed would only be allowed to be posted by YORKIETALK MEMBERS who own the dog needing to be rehomed for $300 or less. Exceptions to this rule would be made by a Moderator of the Rescue Forum, since as we all know there are always exceptions to every rule I would think that an exception would be a member who knew someone personally who needed to Rehome their Yorkie and knew they would be able to find a wonderful home with a YT member. This way all of the links that are posted will be legitimate rescues and not walking that fine line between a Rescue/Rehome and a Yorkie that falls into the $300 being sold by "someone" who is not even a member of YT. If all of the links to the Kijiji. Craigslist, Hobbly were members of YT they would be posting in the For Sale section. If they were reputable the others breeders would be accepting of them as their peers and if not they would be weeded out for what they really are~BYBer making a few bucks off the backs of these dogs. Which as we all know is not a good breeder breeding for the betterment of the breed.
Just like the legitimate rescues know who is legit and who is hiding behind the label "RESCUE".

Maybe these breeders need to be invited to join the forum and them they would be allowed access to the For Sale forum? Isn't that kind of the idea that is being expressed that $300 For Sale puppies and adults need a home too? That way if a member is interested in purchasing one of these Yorkies these breeders would have a reputation within our community, questions could be asked and we could see some of these Yorkies as they grow and are given new homes.

Lots of great ideas, and I too am skeptical of the rehome thing, if you know someone personally, why not just have them join YT? I would like the rehoming threads to be limited to actual Yorkietalk members who are rehoming their dogs. I also think they should have to give admin their name and address, just like breeders have to do who sell their dogs. I believe that the other links should be limited to legitimate rescues and shelters. Not sure how to make sure they are legitimate or not, I read that the fastest growing scam is breeders saying that they are rescues. Would a legitimate rescue always have the dog neutered? Or how can we tell? We most not forget that puppy millers sell their puppies for less than $300.00, so price alone doesn't tell us much.

[orlnurse]

I think most of the rescues have an adoption fee of a few hundred dollars or so. It is to my understanding that they usually don't get enough monetary donations and when they do rescue these dogs from animal shelters, they give them medical care which sometimes include surgery, dental cleaning, neutering/spaying, grooming, vaccinations and microchips. They have to recoup their funds in some fashion. I adopted Max from a rescue for $200. He was in great health, on heartworm meds already etc.

I think the idea of a section for "rehoming" dogs from a rescue facility or foster home is a great idea.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by orlnurse

I think most of the rescues have an adoption fee of a few hundred dollars or so. It is to my understanding that they usually don't get enough monetary donations and when they do rescue these dogs from animal shelters, they give them medical care which sometimes include surgery, dental cleaning, neutering/spaying, grooming, vaccinations and microchips. They have to recoup their funds in some fashion. I adopted Max from a rescue for $200. He was in great health, on heartworm meds already etc.

I think the idea of a section for "rehoming" dogs from a rescue facility or foster home is a great idea.

Yeah that's my idea of a good rescue too, and if we can connect that type of rescue to yorkietalk members, we are doing a service to members and the dogs!

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Lots of great ideas, and I too am skeptical of the rehome thing, if you know someone personally, why not just have them join YT? I would like the rehoming threads to be limited to actual Yorkietalk members who are rehoming their dogs. I also think they should have to give admin their name and address, just like breeders have to do who sell their dogs. I believe that the other links should be limited to legitimate rescues and shelters. Not sure how to make sure they are legitimate or not, I read that the fastest growing scam is breeders saying that they are rescues. Would a legitimate rescue always have the dog neutered? Or how can we tell? We most not forget that puppy millers sell their puppies for less than $300.00, so price alone doesn't tell us much.

I agree with some of this.

but sorry I dont know that shelter personaly. maybe some one here can email them and invite them to YT.

[red98vett]

yikes - I had a hard time following the above posts...so will keep this short - Debbie - You thought I directed what I said to you ? ....If you go back you can see I said I COPIED a post I did before I saw this one by you. I didn't want to re-type so I just pasted it here. .....but I can see why you thought that since you started this one...

There's lots who post in the rescue section - my questions were random and to anyone.

I think having 2 different sections is a good one.

ps...edited to add - it may be just me but so many quotes and links in single posts gets confusing....

[Wylie's Mom]

I want to assure everyone there is communication occurring about new rules/policies in the Rescue Section. Decisions take time. Until new guidelines are in place, please bear with us .

I will say (although this is premature) that I doubt separate sections will be created. Rather, my feeling is that the current section will have some new policies in place - which will probably evolve over time.

In the meantime, keep in mind that when the Rescue/Re-Home section moves too fast (now or in the future), it loses effectiveness. The faster that forum moves? The less dogs will find homes...

The rescue section is not about who is posting from where, it is not about number of posts, it is not about arguing w/ other members, it is NOT A COMPETITION.

Please consider it a privilege to post in the Rescue Section to help these innocent, living creatures. If the rescue forum turns into something else for any members, we can disable access for you (at your request or at our discretion) so that the work to help animals can continue peacefully. THANK YOU.

{this thread is not the place to argue w/ other members about the section - if, however, you have helpful, tangible suggestions for the section, please share }

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

I agree with some of this.

but sorry I dont know that shelter personaly. maybe some one here can email them and invite them to YT.

I guess I see it as your responsibility to check out ads you are linking. I believe that when you recommend a breeder or a rescue to someone, you need to be very sure of what you are recommending. As a long time member of Yorkietalk, with many posts, people are going to look at you and think that you believe the ads you're linking are reputable, and that they can feel pretty safe checking them out. As members of Yorkietalk, I think we should help protect each other. Personally, I would never recommend anyone get a dog off Kijiji. I feel too protective of other people, and would hate for a family to buy a sickly dog, and not being able to afford the proper treatment. There are so many safe places to get a dog for the same amount of money.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by red98vett

yikes - I had a hard time following the above posts...so will keep this short - Debbie - You thought I directed what I said to you ? ....If you go back you can see I said I COPIED a post I did before I saw this one by you. I didn't want to re-type so I just pasted it here. .....but I can see why you thought that since you started this one...

There's lots who post in the rescue section - my questions were random and to anyone.

I think having 2 different sections is a good one.

ps...edited to add - it may be just me but so many quotes and links in single posts gets confusing....

I too think 2 different sections would be better

I dont see anyone having a problem with any other member who is posting Yorkie rehomes in that area but me.

well as you can see I tried to quote one person to each post. sorry it was confusing.

yes I did feel you was talking about me. for it was posted in both threads that I had started.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I guess I see it as your responsibility to check out ads you are linking. I believe that when you recommend a breeder or a rescue to someone, you need to be very sure of what you are recommending. As a long time member of Yorkietalk, with many posts, people are going to look at you and think that you believe the ads you're linking are reputable, and that they can feel pretty safe checking them out. As members of Yorkietalk, I think we should help protect each other. Personally, I would never recommend anyone get a dog off Kijiji. I feel too protective of other people, and would hate for a family to buy a sickly dog, and not being able to afford the proper treatment. There are so many safe places to get a dog for the same amount of money.

I agree but those post were from shelters and rescues. Im not going to contact them they have to much work on their hands already.