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[red98vett]

Thanks Ann for the update -I know you'll do a good job - and you're right - it's about finding help....I think it's a great idea to try to slow it down and monitor it a bit. I had to search and search the other day to check on a puppy and it was only like 2 days prior that I first had read about him....

People all over the country (and world) read this site so that section IS important .....

another idea- maybe you could have a flag or Icon for the dogs waiting on death row so they'll stand out ? (JUST A THOUGHT !!!) I don't know how you would work it but I have faith in you

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I want to assure everyone there is communication occurring about new rules/policies in the Rescue Section. Decisions take time. Until new guidelines are in place, please bear with us .

I will say (although this is premature) that I doubt separate sections will be created. Rather, my feeling is that the current section will have some new policies in place - which will probably evolve over time.

In the meantime, keep in mind that when the Rescue/Re-Home section moves too fast (now or in the future), it loses effectiveness. The faster that forum moves? The less dogs will find homes...

The rescue section is not about who is posting from where, it is not about number of posts, it is not about arguing w/ other members, it is NOT A COMPETITION.

Please consider it a privilege to post in the Rescue Section to help these innocent, living creatures. If the rescue forum turns into something else for any members, we can disable access for you (at your request or at our discretion) so that the work to help animals can continue peacefully. THANK YOU.

{this thread is not the place to argue w/ other members about the section - if, however, you have helpful, tangible suggestions for the section, please share }

just now seeing this.

I agree

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Thanks Ann for the update -I know you'll do a good job - and you're right - it's about finding help....I think it's a great idea to try to slow it down and monitor it a bit. I had to search and search the other day to check on a puppy and it was only like 2 days prior that I first had read about him....

People all over the country (and world) read this site so that section IS important .....

another idea- maybe you could have a flag or Icon for the dogs waiting on death row so they'll stand out ? (JUST A THOUGHT !!!) I don't know how you would work it but I have faith in you

Thats a great idea V plus so many post a day or week would help like wiley's mom suggested.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

I agree but those post were from shelters and rescues. Im not going to contact them they have to much work on their hands already.

If you are not willing to check them out in some way, then you are not doing any service to Yorkietalk members. We can just have a sticky that tells of all the places where people can look for ads. To me, you're doing more of a service for Kijiji than you are for dogs or Yorkietalk. Every time someone opens a link to Kijiji, kijiji, gets to move further up on the "google" list, and the further up you are on the google list, the more valuable your website becomes. Some websites pay people just to link their site, we need to be careful that we are unknowingly falling into their hands.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

another idea- maybe you could have a flag or Icon for the dogs waiting on death row so they'll stand out ? (JUST A THOUGHT !!!) I don't know how you would work it but I have faith in you

This is being looked at (in some form).

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

Thats a great idea V plus so many post a day or week would help like wiley's mom suggested.

So is this.

So is (to name a few....):

*Consistent thread title format (lists important stats in title "Shelter, Male 2yrs, Houston, Tx")
*bumping / reply limit
*poster must check if seller is selling multiple dogs (if not shelter/ rescue)

Keep 'em coming, folks !

[chattiesmom]

If the Yorkie Rescue or New Homes Needed was modeled somewhat after the Yorkies For Sale forum it would solve a lot of problems and quarreling. If the poster of the Rescue or Rehome was required to completely fill out a form similar to the one that has to be filled out when selling a dog, it would keep help streamline the listings and make it easier for those wanting a rescue/rehome to quickly look at the "stats" and see if it might be a good match. It would take some time to come up with a general plug in form that would be more or less revelant to all RESCUES.

Lately there has been so much talk of breeders being responsible for the pups that they produce from birth until death, it stands to reason that YTers taking on the responsibility to offer information on rehomes should assume some of that same responsibility. After all, these little ones often come with a lot of negative history and all care should be taken to see that their new forever homes are truly FOREVER!

If frivilous bumps were not allowed it would give a more equal opportunity for all of the kids in need.

And last but not least, if it was absolutely FORBIDDEN to post negative comments in that forum or to take threads OFF TOPIC -- with severe consequences to any violators, then the Rescue forum would be a much more inviting area for YTers looking for a new furkid.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

This is being looked at (in some form).



So is this.

So is (to name a few....):

*Consistent thread title format (lists important stats in title "Shelter, Male 2yrs, Houston, Tx")
*bumping / reply limit
*poster must check if seller is selling multiple dogs (if not shelter/ rescue)

Keep 'em coming, folks !

That's just it members were not liking that I was posting even rescue/shelter dogs and so they were pumping their threads up over top of them. they were all the same. rescue/ shelter dogs. one needing a home just like the other.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

If the Yorkie Rescue or New Homes Needed was modeled somewhat after the Yorkies For Sale forum it would solve a lot of problems and quarreling. If the poster of the Rescue or Rehome was required to completely fill out a form similar to the one that has to be filled out when selling a dog, it would keep help streamline the listings and make it easier for those wanting a rescue/rehome to quickly look at the "stats" and see if it might be a good match. It would take some time to come up with a general plug in form that would be more or less revelant to all RESCUES.

Lately there has been so much talk of breeders being responsible for the pups that they produce from birth until death, it stands to reason that YTers taking on the responsibility to offer information on rehomes should assume some of that same responsibility. After all, these little ones often come with a lot of negative history and all care should be taken to see that their new forever homes are truly FOREVER!

If frivilous bumps were not allowed it would give a more equal opportunity for all of the kids in need.

And last but not least, if it was absolutely FORBIDDEN to post negative comments in that forum or to take threads OFF TOPIC -- with severe consequences to any violators, then the Rescue forum would be a much more inviting area for YTers looking for a new furkid.

I agree

well on the ones I posted from shelter /rescue dogs I didnt fill out a form a but I had posted all the info that I felt was needed on those post.
like this.

Details
Address: Boca Raton, FL 33431 (map)
Date Posted: 02/04/10
Posted by: Ad partner
Age: Young
Gender: Female
Offered by: Shelter


Description
Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie - Small - Young - Female - Dog - Kari

Contact us online so we can make sure to have this dog at the adoption center, select 'contact us' from our website animal-aid.com Stop by anytime we're open; Monday thru Friday 12-4 or Saturday and Sunday 12-6. Our application is also available online at Animal Aid, Inc., a non-profit South Florida pet adoption shelter The $250 donation we are requesting will help the next dog or cat in need and includes our medical program; all vaccines, rabies vaccine, fecal exam, de-worming, blood test for heartworm and tick diseases, spay or neuter, a lifetime microchip ID, a vet exam, pet insurance for a month, and frontline plus a bag of Science Diet food.



CHARACTERISTICS:
Breed: Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie [Mix]
Age: Young
Size: Small
Gender: Female
Offered by: Shelter
Petfinder ID: 15671661


ADDITIONAL INFO:
Pet is house trained
Pet has been spayed/neutered

CONTACT:
Animal Aid, Inc. | Boca Raton, FL | 561-393-1463

For additional information, see:
Adopt a Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie: Kari: Petfinder
or reply to this ad.

Brought to you by Petfinder.com


Read more: Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie - Small - Young - Female - Dog - Kari - Miami Dogs & puppies, Pets - Kijiji Miami

and then a picture if available. and the link to the site.

If some one wants to adopt them then they need to call for additional info.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

If you are not willing to check them out in some way, then you are not doing any service to Yorkietalk members. We can just have a sticky that tells of all the places where people can look for ads. To me, you're doing more of a service for Kijiji than you are for dogs or Yorkietalk. Every time someone opens a link to Kijiji, kijiji, gets to move further up on the "google" list, and the further up you are on the google list, the more valuable your website becomes. Some websites pay people just to link their site, we need to be careful that we are unknowingly falling into their hands.

I have called on a few before I posted to make sure they was only selling the one dog and not a litter. but Im not going to call the shelters on everyone of them that they post. many come from the same shelter.
its up to the people who want to adopt them to ask them questions. I post all the info with the post.

[chattiesmom]

Unfortunately, not everyone feels the same information and/or quality of information is revelant. A copy/paste form would also help prevent YTers scouring CL and PF giving free advertising to some of puppy millers who use those venues to sell their "rescues" and "rehomes".

Just because someone posts a listing on one of sources doesn't mean that it is accurate or truthful. It is inappropriate to take that information at face value and present it to YTers without doing some diligent detective work to determine whether or not the information is valid.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Unfortunately, not everyone feels the same information and/or quality of information is revelant. A copy/paste form would also help prevent YTers scouring CL and PF giving free advertising to some of puppy millers who use those venues to sell their pups.

Well I know for a fact that the shelter by me is a good shelter. they work very hard in finding these dogs homes. their not a kill shelter and those dogs/cats stay there until they find their home. been there checked it out.

and I hope that any one that thinks about adopting from any place would check them out first.

[livingdustmops]

Because of the economy of this country we have more and more Yorkies going into shelter/rescue situations and less and less of people stepping forward and helping out. It used to be only a few dogs and we could always send people to the individual rescues and petfiner.com...now the greeders of the world have figured out if we say our dogs are rescue then people feel so sorry for the dogs and buy them from breeders as if they are rescues. Also many people now see it as a cheap way to get a dog...What we humans do to animals and our greed is unbelievable to me....and here we are having to put rules into rescue because it has gotten out of control IMHO. This is sad and dogs will suffer because of this.

I believe very strongly that if someone is going to post ads then they need to be able to review them for possible red flags...and if not then we should be able to say something...just like we do when greeders come to YT.

This is not about she does this and she does that...it is about trying to help the most needy dogs first. In these tough times it is the dogs in kill shelters not dogs that are already in rescue that have a very short window to be rescued. I was upset because of 14 dogs posted, 2 of the ads were gone (the threads were still open), 1 an owner was selling (says it right in the ad), 3 were in shelters and 8 were in rescue organizations. The 3 that needed help just kept getting pushed to the bottom.

I will tell you if we start posting breeders dogs on YT under rescue then I will have to leave this place. As much as I enjoy it I will not and cannot allow even further abuse to these animals by YT helping people that already make $$$ off the backs of these dogs. Let them be turned over to a rescue for no $$$ or even a shelter but do not reward these greeders for what they are doing and help them make $$$. This is morally wrong to me. I view it the same as long time YT members who knowingly go and buy dogs from pet stores or puppymill situations. They really do not care about dogs and the suffering going on but only themselves. No one who has been with YT long enough can say we didn't know it was a puppymill...we have posted what to look for to many times.

When it comes to rehoming I am of the opinion (not as strong as the breeder portion) that people should be members on YT or get permission from mod.

I strongly believe breeders post their dogs ON yt because they are selling them...$$$ will exchange hands along with warranties...this is nothing like rescue and should not be treated like the selling section of YT. I really wish people couldn't sell dogs on YT either as a side note but it has helped uncover some very bad situations...so who knows.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

If the Yorkie Rescue or New Homes Needed was modeled somewhat after the Yorkies For Sale forum it would solve a lot of problems and quarreling. If the poster of the Rescue or Rehome was required to completely fill out a form similar to the one that has to be filled out when selling a dog, it would keep help streamline the listings and make it easier for those wanting a rescue/rehome to quickly look at the "stats" and see if it might be a good match. It would take some time to come up with a general plug in form that would be more or less revelant to all RESCUES.

Lately there has been so much talk of breeders being responsible for the pups that they produce from birth until death, it stands to reason that YTers taking on the responsibility to offer information on rehomes should assume some of that same responsibility. After all, these little ones often come with a lot of negative history and all care should be taken to see that their new forever homes are truly FOREVER!

If frivilous bumps were not allowed it would give a more equal opportunity for all of the kids in need.

And last but not least, if it was absolutely FORBIDDEN to post negative comments in that forum or to take threads OFF TOPIC -- with severe consequences to any violators, then the Rescue forum would be a much more inviting area for YTers looking for a new furkid.

Great post, I love these ideas, and it sounds very fair to me.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Because of the economy of this country we have more and more Yorkies going into shelter/rescue situations and less and less of people stepping forward and helping out. It used to be only a few dogs and we could always send people to the individual rescues and petfiner.com...now the greeders of the world have figured out if we say our dogs are rescue then people feel so sorry for the dogs and buy them from breeders as if they are rescues. Also many people now see it as a cheap way to get a dog...What we humans do to animals and our greed is unbelievable to me....and here we are having to put rules into rescue because it has gotten out of control IMHO. This is sad and dogs will suffer because of this.

I believe very strongly that if someone is going to post ads then they need to be able to review them for possible red flags...and if not then we should be able to say something...just like we do when greeders come to YT.

This is not about she does this and she does that...it is about trying to help the most needy dogs first. In these tough times it is the dogs in kill shelters not dogs that are already in rescue that have a very short window to be rescued. I was upset because of 14 dogs posted, 2 of the ads were gone (the threads were still open), 1 an owner was selling (says it right in the ad), 3 were in shelters and 8 were in rescue organizations. The 3 that needed help just kept getting pushed to the bottom.

I will tell you if we start posting breeders dogs on YT under rescue then I will have to leave this place. As much as I enjoy it I will not and cannot allow even further abuse to these animals by YT helping people that already make $$$ off the backs of these dogs. Let them be turned over to a rescue for no $$$ or even a shelter but do not reward these greeders for what they are doing and help them make $$$. This is morally wrong to me. I view it the same as long time YT members who knowingly go and buy dogs from pet stores or puppymill situations. They really do not care about dogs and the suffering going on but only themselves. No one who has been with YT long enough can say we didn't know it was a puppymill...we have posted what to look for to many times.

When it comes to rehoming I am of the opinion (not as strong as the breeder portion) that people should be members on YT or get permission from mod.

I strongly believe breeders post their dogs ON yt because they are selling them...$$$ will exchange hands along with warranties...this is nothing like rescue and should not be treated like the selling section of YT. I really wish people couldn't sell dogs on YT either as a side note but it has helped uncover some very bad situations...so who knows.

I share your feelings on this.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Because of the economy of this country we have more and more Yorkies going into shelter/rescue situations and less and less of people stepping forward and helping out. It used to be only a few dogs and we could always send people to the individual rescues and petfiner.com...now the greeders of the world have figured out if we say our dogs are rescue then people feel so sorry for the dogs and buy them from breeders as if they are rescues. Also many people now see it as a cheap way to get a dog...What we humans do to animals and our greed is unbelievable to me....and here we are having to put rules into rescue because it has gotten out of control IMHO. This is sad and dogs will suffer because of this.


I understand all this. the greeders need to be stopped. there are more and more looking for homes every dy because of this.
there are many ads every where with BYB / Mills trying to act like they are rescues. I do see those ads and I do ignore them.
I believe very strongly that if someone is going to post ads then they need to be able to review them for possible red flags...and if not then we should be able to say something...just like we do when greeders come to YT.

This is not about she does this and she does that...it is about trying to help the most needy dogs first. In these tough times it is the dogs in kill shelters not dogs that are already in rescue that have a very short window to be rescued. I was upset because of 14 dogs posted, 2 of the ads were gone (the threads were still open), 1 an owner was selling (says it right in the ad), 3 were in shelters and 8 were in rescue organizations. The 3 that needed help just kept getting pushed to the bottom.

thats why I had started this thread in hopes that there would be a different section so that the most inportant dogs that need help right now is at the top.
I will tell you if we start posting breeders dogs on YT under rescue then I will have to leave this place. As much as I enjoy it I will not and cannot allow even further abuse to these animals by YT helping people that already make $$$ off the backs of these dogs. Let them be turned over to a rescue for no $$$ or even a shelter but do not reward these greeders for what they are doing and help them make $$$. This is morally wrong to me. I view it the same as long time YT members who knowingly go and buy dogs from pet stores or puppymill situations. They really do not care about dogs and the suffering going on but only themselves. No one who has been with YT long enough can say we didn't know it was a puppymill...we have posted what to look for to many times.

who is posting Breeder dogs??? I posted one it was closed. and I understand why it was closed. that it as my fault it should not of been posted in that section. it got mixed up in my other threads in fav and I didnt ready it clearly. it was closed so no sence in keep talking about it.

some of those threads would be at the bottom now but many of you choose to keep posting on them then they return to the top.

When it comes to rehoming I am of the opinion (not as strong as the breeder portion) that people should be members on YT or get permission from mod.

I strongly believe breeders post their dogs ON yt because they are selling them...$$$ will exchange hands along with warranties...this is nothing like rescue and should not be treated like the selling section of YT. I really wish people couldn't sell dogs on YT either as a side note but it has helped uncover some very bad situations...so who knows.

Well thats a different topic for a different thread maybe?