Biewer Dogs - Don't know how all of you feel.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

...then I'll be partying from the grave...lolol..and I'm only 32

Hey...so am I!!!! LOLOL!

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by mmyorkies

Hi D, now you know it is finally, slowly, starting to be discussed.

Hi Ya!! MM <BigFatGrin> How have you been? Hope everything is going well.

It not being discuss nearly enough......not even close to enough knowledge being shared. It took us over 25 years to get to this point.....why?
D

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Ricki

I looked up the German Standard for Beiwer's. Do not misunderstand me. I think the Beiwer's are beautiful, but they are not a Yorkshire Terrier. AKC set specific standard for Yorkies many years back. They do not fit the Yorkshire Terrier standard and could not compete against the Yorkie. I am sure if AKC accepts them, they will not be competing against the Yorkie (except in Toy Group). They are beautiful and I hope that AKC does accept them for show, but under their own name (Beiwer) and not Yorkshire Terrier. They are a special breed of dog, just as the Yorkshire is. I am probably not making my meaning understood, so I will stop here. Ricki

Ricki you do make perfect sense... I totally understand what you are saying. When we go into the show ring they are entered as their own breed, which they are. Once you win the breed you go into the ring against all of the toy groups. Which give you the opportunity to win Best of Rare Breed and BIS. Just as you stated above... This is exactly how it is done in the IABCA show ring. And here is the Buuuuttt part, they are Yorkshires, since they do come from the Yorkshires. There are several different Terrier Groups and that may be the way AKC will except them as Biewer Terriers, since Germany had them excepted as their own breed. Only the future will tell us that.... Please never stop sharing your feelings and thoughts, you have valid comments and concerns...

[Itspuppyluv]

I understand what you mean. The way I look at it is even though they aren't the standard colors they still came from Yorkshire Terriers...other than the white and an undocked tail, mine looks and acts just like a yorkie...so that makes them yorkies in my eyes. But mine is just a pet, if I was showing or doing my best to breed Yorkshire Terriers that fit the standard, I might very well feel the same as you.

Originally Posted by Ricki

I looked up the German Standard for Beiwer's. Do not misunderstand me. I think the Beiwer's are beautiful, but they are not a Yorkshire Terrier. AKC set specific standard for Yorkies many years back. They do not fit the Yorkshire Terrier standard and could not compete against the Yorkie. I am sure if AKC accepts them, they will not be competing against the Yorkie (except in Toy Group). They are beautiful and I hope that AKC does accept them for show, but under their own name (Beiwer) and not Yorkshire Terrier. They are a special breed of dog, just as the Yorkshire is. I am probably not making my meaning understood, so I will stop here. Ricki

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Ricki you do make perfect sense... I totally understand what you are saying. When we go into the show ring they are entered as their own breed, which they are. Once you win the breed you go into the ring against all of the toy groups. Which give you the opportunity to win Best of Rare Breed and BIS. Just as you stated above... This is exactly how it is done in the IABCA show ring. And here is the Buuuuttt part, they are Yorkshires, since they do come from the Yorkshires. There are several different Terrier Groups and that may be the way AKC will except them as Biewer Terriers, since Germany had them excepted as their own breed. Only the future will tell us that.... Please never stop sharing your feelings and thoughts, you have valid comments and concerns...

Although they originated from Yorkies, they have a standard now, which is how a new breed is developed. When breeding the TRUE Biewer you will primarily produce pups marked by the standard. I have always considered them a separate breed from Yorkies. As they do in Germany. I have see ads on puppyfind that mislead folks in sayign they are one and the same and they are NOT!!! Grrr!
To be certain you have the True Biewer you must see the pedigree and the colors of the ancestors in writing. If you don't you run the risk of breeding something that is NOT..that's just my opinion. That's why I HATE to see folks buying Biewers from brokers let a lone for breeding. That's another topic..lolol.

Hugs,
Wini

[mmyorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkyKids

Hi Ya!! MM <BigFatGrin> How have you been? Hope everything is going well.

It not being discuss nearly enough......not even close to enough knowledge being shared. It took us over 25 years to get to this point.....why?
D

You know that there were too many big names that did not want to stop showing and breeding their prize dogs, the glory meant more than the future of the breed. Makes it twice as hard for us now to try to make sure that we are breeding good stock. Broke my heart when I had to pull my girl out, but sure didn't want to pass it on and ruin someone elses life. I am glad I had found out BEFORE I bred her, because I was planning on breeding her the next heat when it all came out. Much smarter now.

BTW, got any pups getting ready to into the ring yet.

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by mmyorkies

You know that there were too many big names that did not want to stop showing and breeding their prize dogs, the glory meant more than the future of the breed. Makes it twice as hard for us now to try to make sure that we are breeding good stock. Broke my heart when I had to pull my girl out, but sure didn't want to pass it on and ruin someone elses life. I am glad I had found out BEFORE I bred her, because I was planning on breeding her the next heat when it all came out. Much smarter now.
BTW, got any pups getting ready to into the ring yet.

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Yes that was a heartbreaker for sure. Sometimes I think I don't want to breed any more.....it's tough not knowing if the puppies will be affected. But alas....the struggle to see what will land in the whelp box usually wins. LOL

Hey I got two boys I'm watching closely. One is just over a year....wonderful dark silk coat.....we still need length.
And one about 7 months old....he is so pretty...I've already spayed/neutered his parents. They are living the good life now as much adored and loved couch potatoes. That's what I'm doing now! As soon as I have a "better" puppy I'm placing the parents.....breeding pets is just not appealing to me. <g>
D

[whispersmom2]

Suz, I have very good examples of both that you mention. The piebald genes that produced Remi as a parti are the same genes that produce the tri/colors known as Biewers. That is a bit of over-simplification but it does answer your concern..Feel free to contact me if I can help with any further info along those lines...

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Suz, I have very good examples of both that you mention. The piebald genes that produced Remi as a parti are the same genes that produce the tri/colors known as Biewers. That is a bit of over-simplification but it does answer your concern..Feel free to contact me if I can help with any further info along those lines...

Was wondering, what is different about the temperment of the Biewer versus the standard Yorkie. Does anyone know anyone looking for a male straight from Germany?

[Gir & Bing]

Well, arn't biewers just a yorkie with a chosen historical gene pool. Like the colors bred to make the dog have the main black coat bred to bre white. It's all the breeding process. It would probably take like 10 generations to make a yorkie into a biewer.

[YorkieShadow]

I have never even heard of Biewers and or Tri/parti Yorkies untill a few years ago and that was from the internet. Mickey and Minnies breeders have never heard of them either and when I asked each breeder about them They both say they are mixed breeds.I tried to tell them what each one looked like and they still said if they are not what the AKC standard colors Blue/ tan or Black /gold then theres no way they are Yorkies. I think if these breeders had a computer and was able to get on the internet they would then see for their selfs . I think they are very beautiful and look a lot like the Yorkies. I would love to have one some day.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Gir & Bing

Well, arn't biewers just a yorkie with a chosen historical gene pool. Like the colors bred to make the dog have the main black coat bred to bre white. It's all the breeding process. It would probably take like 10 generations to make a yorkie into a biewer.

A true Biewer is a decsent from Germany. Your comment over simplifies the process. A true Biewer will have the original parents back there. So you can't just take to Yorkies and make Biewers.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Here are some photos of my Biewers. You can see how the differ from the Party Yorkies.

Rini...they have very striking...pretty coloring...I've never seen a Biewer before..


Francie

[Ashleigh]

These Biewer babies sure are adorable! I doubt DH would go for getting one since we just got Zoe, lol.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

A true Biewer is a decsent from Germany. Your comment over simplifies the process. A true Biewer will have the original parents back there. So you can't just take to Yorkies and make Biewers.

Hi...I am importing a Biewer from Germany. Could you comment on the difference in their disposition from Yorkies and do you find that they fit in with and get along with several Yorkies in a family?

I sure would appreciate some information and advice. They are just so very pretty.