my yorkies are rare

[darbygale]

[QUOTE=JeanieK]

Originally Posted by darbygale

My guess is one was a carrier and not a colored. Or there was a second stud.

Well well!! Now maybe the sire of the bitch that produced the first parti was not a yorkie or had been bred to both a yorkie and a maltese by accident.

I can tell you that GLoria had a wonderful managment system for keeping stud dogs and bitches seperated when the bitch was in season. I doubt very much that she had an accidental breeding. I have been there and seen how she handled the dogs in season and the stud dogs. Any accidental breeding would not have been an accident, it would have to be on purpose and Gloria would not have done that. What she would do now, I cannot tell you.

So why not give us the name of the bitch that produced that first parti? How about the full name of Mickey Spillane? Or are you keeping it to yourself so that we cannot check it out?

[JeanieK]

[QUOTE=darbygale]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Gloria Lipman bred two parti's together and got both standard color and parti. Last litter I saw was 3 standard and 1 parti, so they DO NOT breed true.

No, I had no interest in the dam that threw the first parti for the Lipman's since she was not out of their breeding. Ashley was bred to my dog's granddam before he was sold to the woman in OK. I had bred to an Ashley son more than once and bought an Ashley daughter and a couple of other Nikko dogs. How strange that in the 10 years I showed and bred Nikko dogs, I NEVER had a parti colored dog. And even stranger, Gloria Lipman never had one until she bred to the bitch that came back from the woman in OK that was not all Nikko breeding. HMMMMMMMMM! Wonder why.

So why not share the name of the dam that produced the first parti. I believe the woman in OK had a kennel prefix of Woodcres and her first name was Shirley.

You didn't have any partis because you didn't have the gene on both sides.

Since you know Gloria Lipman personally then why not ask her for the name of the dam. It is my understanding that Gloria got Ashley back from the woman in Ok, that she never got a dog from this other Kennel.

[darbygale]

[QUOTE=JeanieK]

Originally Posted by darbygale

You didn't have any partis because you didn't have the gene on both sides.

Since you know Gloria Lipman personally then why not ask her for the name of the dam. It is my understanding that Gloria got Ashley back from the woman in Ok, that she never got a dog from this other Kennel.

You must admit that in over 30 years of breeding only Nikko to Nikko Gloria never got a parti until she bred to a bitch that came from a Kennel in OK, that had yorkies, maltese, huskies and a couple other breeds. Too much of a coincidence to all of a sudden start producing parti colored yorkies.

Your understanding is 100% wrong. I was there when Ashley was returned to Gloria along with a bitch puppy about 5 months old and an older female.

And I do not talk to GLoria anymore since she has taken the road of breeding these impure yorkies. And I can also tell you that these partis do have health issues. How about collapsing trachea's and bad patellas? I get calls from people who have bought one from Gloria and the dog dies at 2 or 3 years old from a collapsed trachea or has had to have surgery because of bad patellas.
If you want to have a parti colored dog, get a papillion, Biewer or some other breed. Don't bastardize the Yorkshire Terrier.

[SweetCuteness]

Wow, I just finished reading this entire thread. Jeanie, I totally understand where you are coming from and believe you wholeheartedly that you did the appropriate research to determine that your Chachi is not a mutt.

I think this largest problem here is that people do not even begin to understand complex genetics. A dog with a recessive/recessive color trait (we'll call is "rr") bred to a "rr" will ALWAYS produce "rr" puppies - there is no recessive to a recessive, and there is no dominant to override the recessive trait - therefore you're left with only a recessive trait that will show.

Next, after taking several evolutionary biology courses, I have studied and learned that all dogs originated from the Wolf. So thousands of years ago, there were not hundreds of breeds of dogs - that said, all breeds emerged at a different point in time. It's not like evolution is a new thing. Just because parti's have recently appeared doesn't mean they're a yorkie/maltese mix. Those of you that argued that the white coloring of the partis came from a mix - will you also argue that the rare albino dog mated with a polar bear? NO. I mean come on, the abino trait is also a recessive trait that doesn't always show. BUT, if you bread an albino to an albino, you'll get an albino. So, if you find a parti puppy in a litter and breed it with another parti, you'll get more parti's. Everything has to start somewhere.

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[SweetCuteness]

Why does everyone keep saying that parti's shouldn't be bred, but Biewers should because the Biewers have a breed standard. Are you being serious??? The Biewer standard had to start somewhere - it didn't just fall from the sky. If you're going to argue that you shouldn't breed the so-called "abnormal" puppies, then don't argue that it's okay to breed a Biewer.

As for the DNA testing - why does everyone keep arguing that DNA can't prove the breed? No one ever said anything in this entire thread that it can. She simply said that the parents and grandparents were tested to show that they were who the breeders say they are - and they're yorkies.

And lastly, darbygale, why are you arguing EVERY single thing that JeanieK says? I honestly think at this point if she said the sky is blue you'd say "no it's green." Jeanie has obviously done her extensive research - should wouldn't be holding her stance from 150+ posts if she hadn't. You keep trying to argue every little tiny thing and think she's hiding the names - she gave the names, do the research if you so wish. I'm not trying to attack you personally, darbygale, but it's really quite humorous the things you're arguing.

[darbygale]

Originally Posted by SweetCuteness

Why does everyone keep saying that parti's shouldn't be bred, but Biewers should because the Biewers have a breed standard. Are you being serious??? The Biewer standard had to start somewhere - it didn't just fall from the sky. If you're going to argue that you shouldn't breed the so-called "abnormal" puppies, then don't argue that it's okay to breed a Biewer.

As for the DNA testing - why does everyone keep arguing that DNA can't prove the breed? No one ever said anything in this entire thread that it can. She simply said that the parents and grandparents were tested to show that they were who the breeders say they are - and they're yorkies.

And lastly, darbygale, why are you arguing EVERY single thing that JeanieK says? I honestly think at this point if she said the sky is blue you'd say "no it's green." Jeanie has obviously done her extensive research - should wouldn't be holding her stance from 150+ posts if she hadn't. You keep trying to argue every little tiny thing and think she's hiding the names - she gave the names, do the research if you so wish. I'm not trying to attack you personally, darbygale, but it's really quite humorous the things you're arguing.

She gave a partial name of Mickey Spillane. If you go to AKC and look it up, two dogs come up with that name. One is Mickey Spillane born 12-30-83 and the other is Mickey Spillane II born 10-08-02. Now, the one born in 1983 was before Gloria Lipman had the parti color puppy born. The parti's were being registered before 2002 and since Jeanie said he was the first one AKC registered, that does not fit either. I am just asking for the full name or AKC number so I can research it. Also, why won't she give the name of the bitch? What is she hiding or afraid of us finding out.

I was at the Lipman's once a week for years and when she had the first parti puppy so I think I know a bit more about how this all started than either of you. And breeding a parti to a parti does not always produce all parti's.

If you want to have a new breed, take the name yorkshire terrier off of it like the Biewers are doing. The Biewers have a definate standard that the dogs have to follow. White has to be certain places as do other colors. The partis you are talking about can be just about any mish mosh of colors. I think most are looking at the partis as a huge money maker. And please don't tout them has having no health problems. Oh yes, I forgot to mention they also have had liver shunt.