my yorkies are rare

[JeanieK]

I watched the dog show last night. the terrier group particularly. There are two separate breeds that the only difference is ofn has it's ears up and the other down. The Norfolk terrier and the Norwich Terrier.

I would imagine that which ever breed came first, was horrified that anyone would breed for the other trait.

Progress people~!!!! Progress. It happens and you can't stop it.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

Are the pedigrees of their foundation dogs listed on this web site? At a quick glance I didn't see them?

I'm not sure. I got the pedigree from the breeder.

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I watched the dog show last night. the terrier group particularly. There are two separate breeds that the only difference is ofn has it's ears up and the other down. The Norfolk terrier and the Norwich Terrier.

I would imagine that which ever breed came first, was horrified that anyone would breed for the other trait.

Progress people~!!!! Progress. It happens and you can't stop it.

Exactly. And if the owners of Biewers want their own breed, Biewer Terriers to be shown in the Toy Group, NOT BIEWER YORKSHIRE TERRIERS, then they need to go through the AKC process to achieve that goal.

Where will the Parti's fit in????

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm not sure. I got the pedigree from the breeder.

So go back to the last generation you have on the pedigree and let us know what dogs are in it. Who in the pedigree are dog from breeders who breed champion AKC Yorkshire Terriers???

[JeanieK]

I realize that there are is a lot of information on the net, that discredits the parti color as being pure yorkies. They insist that there is maltese mixed in.

Well as you all know, you cannot PROVE a negative, so it is up to those people to PROVE the positive.

So to them I say, show me the proof. If you cannot do that then it probably doesn't exist.


I can create a website stating that yorkies are mixed with Pitbulls. If I cannot prove what I say, the information is worthless.

So when reading this stuff, ask yourself, where the proof is. If there was proof it would be documented. If there is not proof then perhaps these people shouldn't be making accusations. It's all hearsay.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

So go back to the last generation you have on the pedigree and let us know what dogs are in it. Who in the pedigree are dog from breeders who breed champion AKC Yorkshire Terriers???

They are all Nikko dogs, and the champion was Rolls Royce Ashley

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

They are all Nikko dogs, and the champion was Rolls Royce Ashley

And who was Ashley bred to to produce the first parti? By the way, as another contributer pointed out to you, this is Gloria Lipman's kennel.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

And who was Ashley bred to to produce the first parti? By the way, as another contributer pointed out to you, this is Gloria Lipman's kennel.

Yes I know that now. I did not know her name or connect it to the kennel.

If you want the pedigree you can research it from the AKC website. I gave you the name.

I wonder what your motives are for trying to discredit these dogs heritage. why is it important to you?

[crystalsmom]

I don't see anyone trying to discredit anyone here. Just asking a question. I have been studying Yorkshire Terrier pedigrees for fifteen years and I'm not a breeder so I would think a breeder could answer that question.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I don't see anyone trying to discredit anyone here. Just asking a question. I have been studying Yorkshire Terrier pedigrees for fifteen years and I'm not a breeder so I would think a breeder could answer that question.

What breeder should answer which question?

She has been attempting to discredit the parti colored yorkies, saying they are mixed with who knows what.

Actually she jumped in the ring after someone else threw in the towel. Are you the next contender? If so bring it on with all the information you can dig up. Just remember to keep it clean and fair. No personal attacks. This is an intellectual dispute, not a backstreet brawl.

[darbygale]

[QUOTE=JeanieK]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I can't believe that as much as you calim to know you have never heard of Crownridge gems or Summit yorkies.

Where did I say I had never heard of them? I do know that the sire of the first parti that came from Nikko Kennels was CH Nikko Rolls Royce Ashley. I also know that the dam of that puppy came from a women in OK that had yorkies AND maltese. It was not a dog bred by Nikko Kennels.

They can DNA all day long and all that it will prove is that the puppy is out of a particular sire and dam. It cannot tell if there is any Maltese, Papillion or anything else mixed in. Why do these dogs not breed true? Why do you get parti and proper colored yorkies in the same litter?

[darbygale]

[QUOTE=JeanieK]I am not going to pay for the pedigree search for you. You can do that. I am confident that my dog is not a mix nad that isd really all that matters to me.

The first registered Parti is named Mickey Spillane. He is not deceased.


What is Mickey Spillane's complete name? What is his AKC number?

[JeanieK]

[QUOTE=darbygale]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Where did I say I had never heard of them? I do know that the sire of the first parti that came from Nikko Kennels was CH Nikko Rolls Royce Ashley. I also know that the dam of that puppy came from a women in OK that had yorkies AND maltese. It was not a dog bred by Nikko Kennels.

They can DNA all day long and all that it will prove is that the puppy is out of a particular sire and dam. It cannot tell if there is any Maltese, Papillion or anything else mixed in. Why do these dogs not breed true? Why do you get parti and proper colored yorkies in the same litter?

I assume you have the name of this dam and her breeder on a pedigree. So would you care to share your information? Or is your information just hearsay.

You can get both traditional and parti in the same litter if one of the parents is a parti colored and one is a carrier. The carrier will have a parti gene and a traditional gene. That parent can give either gene to the offspring. If it gives a parti gene and the parti parent having only parti gense can only give parti genes, the result will be a parti colored puppy.. if it receives a traditional gene from the carrier parent, it wll be a traditional colored carrier. Because the parti gene is recessive, it must have two of them to be parti colored.

Two parti colored dogs will definitely breed true. Recessive genes will always breed true.

Next Question?

[darbygale]

[QUOTE=JeanieK]

Originally Posted by darbygale

I assume you have the name of this dam and her breeder on a pedigree. So would you care to share your information? Or is your information just hearsay.

You can get both traditional and parti in the same litter if one of the parents is a parti colored and one is a carrier. The carrier will have a parti gene and a traditional gene. That parent can give either gene to the offspring. If it gives a parti gene and the parti parent having only parti gense can only give parti genes, the result will be a parti colored puppy.. if it receives a traditional gene from the carrier parent, it wll be a traditional colored carrier. Because the parti gene is recessive, it must have two of them to be parti colored.

Two parti colored dogs will definitely breed true. Recessive genes will always breed true.

Next Question?

Gloria Lipman bred two parti's together and got both standard color and parti. Last litter I saw was 3 standard and 1 parti, so they DO NOT breed true.

No, I had no interest in the dam that threw the first parti for the Lipman's since she was not out of their breeding. Ashley was bred to my dog's granddam before he was sold to the woman in OK. I had bred to an Ashley son more than once and bought an Ashley daughter and a couple of other Nikko dogs. How strange that in the 10 years I showed and bred Nikko dogs, I NEVER had a parti colored dog. And even stranger, Gloria Lipman never had one until she bred to the bitch that came back from the woman in OK that was not all Nikko breeding. HMMMMMMMMM! Wonder why.

So why not share the name of the dam that produced the first parti. I believe the woman in OK had a kennel prefix of Woodcres and her first name was Shirley.

[JeanieK]

[QUOTE=darbygale]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Gloria Lipman bred two parti's together and got both standard color and parti. Last litter I saw was 3 standard and 1 parti, so they DO NOT breed true.

No, I had no interest in the dam that threw the first parti for the Lipman's since she was not out of their breeding. Ashley was bred to my dog's granddam before he was sold to the woman in OK. I had bred to an Ashley son more than once and bought an Ashley daughter and a couple of other Nikko dogs. How strange that in the 10 years I showed and bred Nikko dogs, I NEVER had a parti colored dog. And even stranger, Gloria Lipman never had one until she bred to the bitch that came back from the woman in OK that was not all Nikko breeding. HMMMMMMMMM! Wonder why.

So why not share the name of the dam that produced the first parti. I believe the woman in OK had a kennel prefix of Woodcres and her first name was Shirley.

So if it takes two recessive genes to produce a parti color, therefore the only genes the parents have to pass on are the parti genes. Then how did they get traditional colored pups.

My guess is one was a carrier and not a colored. Or there was a second stud.

Recessive genes always breed true because it takes two of them to over ride the dominant gene, therefore they have no other genes to pass on.