what's your opinion about shipping puppies

[omichka]

nothing wrong

absolutely against

short destination is fine


below is quotation from one privat letter:

"...the puppies were COVERED in urine and feces, had no water or food, and were obviously less han 6 weeks old, even though the paper work" said they were 8 weeks. There would be at least 1 puppy dead every week in the carrier with one or two other puppies. ALL the puppies received were sick. Several died within days of being purchased"

well.... actually it was about pet stores puppies, however many breeders send a very small puppies across the country TOO.

PS: I'm trying to make a poll. I will appreciate it very much if admit fix it.

[Thorsmomma]

I think shipping in the the lap of a new momma or daddy or the breeder is fine, but absolutaly not under in the cargo area by themselves. i think it's just too mean, lonely and scary! JMO

[chachi]

I dont see anything wrong with shipping a pup. I know if I was looking for certain qualities in a pup I might have to have it shipped to me. There are many ethical breeders that ship.

[omichka]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont see anything wrong with shipping a pup. I know if I was looking for certain qualities in a pup I might have to have it shipped to me. There are many ethical breeders that ship.

Have you ever seen the puppies while they are waiting in airport? very cold building, even in summer, draught. and NOBODY pays attention to them while they are cold, shaking and crying...
what's wrong with you people?

[Angela]

Mine shipped from Canada to the US and were in GREAT condition sitting on a satin pillow, my breeder packed the well and sent food for them to eat when I got them in case their food was spilled during flight.......I was worried with the distance of that flight, but I couldn't have asked for a better flight and the two puppies came out wiggling their tails and giving kisses :>)

Angie

[PlatinumYorkies]

Originally Posted by omichka

Have you ever seen the puppies while they are waiting in airport? very cold building, even in summer, draught. and NOBODY pays attention to them while they are cold, shaking and crying...
what's wrong with you people?

Seriously, what is wrong with you? You work in an airport you see them there alone, scared, right..Why don't you report your airline, or go over and keep their company. Better yet give them some water.

So, this airline is lying about their practices on how animals being shipped are treated in their care!
http://www.continental.com/travel/po...ls/default.asp

[MeganS]

I see nothing wrong with shipping puppies. A lot of the wonderful breeders here do it. as long as they're not in cargo...i don't get what the problem is.

[YorkyKids]

Comments in bold......
[QUOTE=omichka]nothing wrong

absolutely against NEVER!!! I would never ship a puppy. I do meet someone at the airport and place puppy in new owners arms "somethines"....then puppy travels home inside the cabin. But generally if someone cannot come to my home....then they do not get my puppy.

short destination is fine

below is quotation from one privat letter:

"...the puppies were COVERED in urine and feces, had no water or food, and were obviously less han 6 weeks old, even though the paper work" said they were 8 weeks. There would be at least 1 puppy dead every week in the carrier with one or two other puppies. ALL the puppies received were sick. Several died within days of being purchased"
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Yes this is "sometimes true". Many states have laws against selling puppies under 8 weeks old. I know that "some" puppies are removed from their mamma's at 5 to 6 weeks in order to get them to the pet store early and still "tiny". It's sad but I don't think it happens as often as this message says.

well.... actually it was about pet stores puppies, however many breeders send a very small puppies across the country TOO.
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Yes many breeders do send puppies across country in airplane cargo. Many do make the trip just fine.....but I have been on the phone many times trying to help a new owner save a tiny Yorkie puppy.....after arriving at it's destination. The breeder is no where to be found when needed. One note about shipping....with todays atmosphere post 911....you cannot be assured the plane will not be grounded/land in a strange city....it has happen many times. Pups are then stranded....usually they must be placed in a local bording facility or a vet office...if they are lucky OR the flight is simply delayed....and pup misses connecting flight....this makes a journey double or triple the travel time. Another thing about shipping.....airlines are very good at what they do....they do not want dead animals at the arrival point. But accidents do happen....even with older dogs. Dogs left accidently on the tarmack in hot summer....dogs exposed to extreme cold or lack of oxygen due to malfunction of cargo hole......it does happen....even with that said....thousands of dogs are shipped each year with no bad events......it's just that I prefer not to take a chance with a 12 week old....2 pound puppy.....that is my choice as his/her breeder.
D

[sylvan]

I have not personally shipped a pet pup anywhere yet. I have had a 8 month old male that I wanted to improve my breeding program shipped on a direct flight to me and he was in my arms within 10 minutes of the flight landing. I feel that it depends on many circumstances and making generalizations about doing this is not going to help anyone. Certainly tiny pups should not be shipped anywhere and especially not just for pets. Most people looking for a pet SHOULD have enough patience to locate a reputable breeder nearby (or at least within driving distance)that they can visit and wait for an available pup. Breeders need to be able to range farther afield for choices and therefore shipping can be involved. Show dogs get transported often and done carefully, suffer few ill effects. I am personally flying to Oregon from PA next week to pick up a pup for a new breeder that I am mentoring. Her breeder and I were both unwilling to ship her at this time of year due to weather and the fact that there are no direct flights from there to here.
Mass shipping from mills to stores is a horrifying reality and the results can be deadly, but it is just a numbers issue to those producers.

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by MeganS

I see nothing wrong with shipping puppies. A lot of the wonderful breeders here do it. as long as they're not in cargo...i don't get what the problem is.

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If they are not in the "cargo" then they are NOT being shipped. Placing a puppy in new owners arms IS NOT THE SAME. If puppy is put into the shipping system....then he is in the cargo hole.

And no "a lot of good breeders" do not ship their puppies.
D

[MeganS]

the title of this thread is, "what is your opinion about shipping puppies?" yet, whenever someone says that they don't have a problem with it...there are certain people who come out and tell you why your opinion is wrong. opinions are opinions and if you don't like them, don't ask for them. JMHO of course.

[livingdustmops]

Unfortunetly it took legislative action in 2000 to correct what really was going on with transporting animals in cargo of airlines. Over 5000 animals were either killed or injured traveling in cargo. If you would like to read the actual legislation with the FTA then go to the following website and then in the seach type animal travel. This is a PDF file that is to large for me to post on YT.

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stmodelanimalact.htm

I cannot tell you how many animals died flying into AZ during the summer months because of the heat. They were treated the same as luggage Now I believe there are 4 months (hottest times of the year) airlines cannot take the animals as cargo. This only changed because of legislation and not because the airlines cared.

Personally, I am opposed to shipping of puppies for alot of reasons but I will keep those thoughts to myself.

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont see anything wrong with shipping a pup. I know if I was looking for certain qualities in a pup I might have to have it shipped to me. There are many ethical breeders that ship.

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Boy I just do not understand. I don't understand HOW you people send a huge sum of money to a "breeder" totally unknown to you.....and expect to receive a healthy well bred puppy.

I see this time and time again. Uneducated people purchasing a dog over the internet then comming on groups like this crying because the dog is sick or has a genetic disease.....and calling the breeder a "BAD BREEDER". They are only "bad breeders" because the public ALLOWS them to be. Because of the way in which the public purchases a pet. Because the public continues to purchase their inferior product....."a live puppy" allows these so-called "bad breeders" to pump out even more inferior puppies. Trust me if the puppy buying public changed the way in which they purchase a dog.....many of the "bad breeder" problems would just fade away.

WHY in the world would you have a DOG shipped to you. Why not take the time to explore your local area.......find a good breeder whom you can see face to face. I just will never understand......you would NOT purchase an automobile this way.....but yet think nothing of sending huge sums of money to a stranger for a pet......that will probably/should live 15 plus years.....does this make any sense to anyone!!!

OH and "looking for certain qualities" can you tell me how in the h*ll you can tell the "certain qualities" a puppy has from a picture.....answer....YOU CAN'T.....without putting your hands on the puppy......again you taking a chance....taking a chance with a living breathing "being".....you cannot even be sure of receiving the pup in the picture!
Sheeze I will never understand!!! Never!
Okay off my soap box now!
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[Dawn125]

absolutely against!

In addition to what the poor puppy would go thru in transit, I would never consider buying a puppy without seeing the puppy and parents first. Also I would want meet the breeder and see the living situation. Anybody could create a pretty web site with pretty pictures of pretty puppies on pretty satin pillows.......

[topknot]

Over the sum of 25 years of having yorkies I have had 5 yorkies shipped to me via airlines - all Delta Dash and never a problem. But they were only shipping one pup to me at a time. In each case they had plenty of food, pillow, toy, and water with even extra food attached to the top of their kennel and in one case Nutr-Cal attached to the top also. They ranged in age from 4 - 6 months of age. I bought during the time when I knew the weather was a great temperature for flying as well as the breeders would only ship during good temperatures. I purchased this way only to improve my lines and to get show prospects. In each case I trusted the breeder and they had excellent reputations! I also made sure that the breeder contact me the minute she left my baby and I arrived early at the airport checking and rechecking on the arrival time. At the airport I had to show them my license to get my baby. They were excellent in all cases. I have also shipped my babies out, but was totally responsible and in each case they all arrived in top condition. I even would dash to the gate of the flight so I could see how my babies were getting on the plane and sit there until it left. In all cases they the planes left right after they pup was boarded. I do not like to ship only because I have heard of bad cases and I drive my hubby nuts running through the airport to watch the plane leave.
I believe that it is how the sender and receiver handle themselves in each case. Who would ever send them all together in one kennel? Crazy! Who would send a puppy in bad health out? I thought they had to have a health certificate in each case when a pup is going to fly. Who would not be there in time to pick up the pups when they arrived?
T.