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12-10-2009, 08:28 PM | #1 |
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| Anyone see the BBC Pedigree Dogs Exposed? What are your thoughts? I am watching it right now, and have been nearly brought to tears twice. The thought of culling healthy puppies that don't meet standard breaks my heart. I don't get why these breeders don't just alter and place them? I know that this is probably more dramatized and they are choosing to showcase this to get more of a reaction. I also know that most the breeder/exhibitors that I have met or talked to don't follow the practices showcased, but still this makes me so sad. It also worries me that people will get the wrong idea that all breeder/exhibitors are like this and not support good breeders that are in it for the right reasons. It is so sad to see a sick pet, so this really hits home for me. I would love to hear other opinions on this expose'
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12-10-2009, 08:34 PM | #2 |
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| I only saw parts of it on the Today show, and thought it was so sad. I don't know enough about it all to sort facts from over exagerated fiction. Some of the opinions will be controversial among breeders, but regardless it is just so sad to see dogs suffering genetic consequences, no matter what the real reason is.
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12-10-2009, 08:54 PM | #3 |
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| I don't know if this is the same show I watched, sounds like it and I found it very sad The changes in some of the breeds over that last century for the sake of aesthetics is unbelievable.
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12-10-2009, 08:56 PM | #4 |
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| Someone else started a post about the same thing and I posted there: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...us-guilty.html
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12-10-2009, 09:03 PM | #5 | ||
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12-10-2009, 10:44 PM | #6 | |
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Thank you for your input and information, as usual I have again gained something very valuable from your posting. This comes so timely to me as I am selecting a male for our breeding program. As a newbie it is so easy to get distracted by beautiful dogs and I can see how one could get numb to the information in this documentary. I do not totally agree with the way this portrays show breeders as I have talked very personally with numerous and for the majority they love their dogs and really want the best for the breed. But for me personally this has brought my initial intentions to the forefront of my mind. Thank you to YT'ers once again for providing me with accountability, education, and a renewal of determination to better our breed the healthy, happy, loving, sassy, big hearted, vivacious Yorkshire Terrier!
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12-11-2009, 07:29 AM | #7 | |
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I do believe there are wonderful breeders who do love their dogs but I believe the purebred dog world is a place that is not always kind to dogs especially in the breeding process.
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12-11-2009, 07:40 AM | #8 | |
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12-11-2009, 07:53 AM | #9 |
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| Yes Cindy I do believe this is true as well. It's actually the reason I selected Mia from the States. And your right that the breeders who are hiding medical issues of ANY kind should be exposed. I find in Canada the inbreeding is getting very bad and the yorkies face is starting to "smooch" in. And like I said in my earlier comment I have been doing some serious thinking on the direction of my own breeding program. I also think Yorkie talk and forums like it are helping to expose bad breeding practices and highlight the good ones. It gives the regular pet buyer a little look at behind the scene. As an example... In Calgary, where I live, we have a no kill shelter but no yorkie rescues. When I first came on here I was aware of the puppy mills but not of all the practices. Now I've stopped shopping at stores that sell live dogs or cats and started supporting smaller businesses. But the best part is that now I have the knowledge to share with others... and I do all the time. I guess the real question is how do people that are not show breeders or breeders at all help the situation?
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12-11-2009, 07:54 AM | #10 |
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| Sorry but non-show breeders do the same things...and many breed out of standard on size, breed LP and other issues etc. I also know many that never do any testing of their dogs and they have buried Liver Shunt just as much. All I have to do is look at a breeders contract to know if they really care about their dogs and their ethics...their contract's will state that they will always take the dog back ... no matter what. It is all about the ethics of the breeders and if they are trying to produce the very best no matter what the cost is. I happen to believe that you will never know if you are producing the best unless you go into the showring. You can never understand the structure or the movement of a dog from pictures and it is always helpful to have other eyes look your dogs over. This is my opinion.
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12-11-2009, 08:06 AM | #11 | |
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I think people who are not breeders or into rescue can help so much with educating themselves first and then the public whenever they can and to help pass laws for inhumane treatment of animals. I believe if you own an animal you should be doing tons of research (not just on YT or TV) but in general about your animals. Just because you do not have a problem with your dog doesn't mean you won't down the road so knowing as much as you can about animal husbandry is very important. I also think it is important to read both sides of an issue so you understand and can determine your path. I must have over 30 some books on dogs and am constantly looking things up on the internet because I enjoy it. I do wish you luck with your path.
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12-11-2009, 08:21 AM | #12 | |
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I am also a research junkie
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12-11-2009, 08:25 AM | #13 | |
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We hobby breeders have to maintain a reputation or our puppies would not sell. Not all holbby breeders are ethical, but not all of us are unethical either. We don't have red pedigrees to sell our dogs, we don't mass produce and sell to pet stores and brokers, therefore we have to sell good quality puppies or our reputations will prevent us from selling anything. So although going into the ring will help to evaluate your dog on the outside, it does not guarentee a quality dog on the inside. I feel that breeding for looks and ignoring all else is far worse than breeding a non standard color. I also wonder how long it will be before the yorkie show dogs go the way of so many other breeds. I cannot speak for other hobby breeders, but my contract states that I will take my puppies back for any reason. | |
12-11-2009, 08:35 AM | #14 |
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| My quess is more show breeders are testing their sire and dams than non show breeders.
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12-11-2009, 09:09 AM | #15 | |
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