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07-22-2012, 10:08 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pennsylvania
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| New here - help please.. Hi. I'm new here and registered specifically to see if I could get some help from some experts on a Sunday.... I am the proud owner of a Biewer Yorkie and recently decided to get her a playmate. We found another gorgeous girl and fell in love! She is a year old and an absolute love bug! Prior to adopting her, the breeder told us that she had bred her (I was a bit aghast at this as she is only 12 months old), but they had taken her to the vet for a sonogram and it didn't take. So, we adopted her and brought her home 2-3 weeks ago. This morning, I was playing with her and watching her run around the living room and I thought she sure looked 'full'. Like she had gained weight over night! I checked her under belly to make sure all was well and here she has a 'pot gut' and her glands are very swollen. This is a bit of background leading up to my question.... I went through her paperwork again and correspondence with the breeder and she would have had the sonogram done at approx. 15-17 days after she was bred. If the breeding would have taken she would be due in another 20 days I believe. Is it possible that the sonogram was wrong? Was that too early to tell? Or could this be a false pregnancy and if so, what should I look for? I took the breeders at their word so didn't have her checked for pregnancy with my vet, but am going to do that now (asap) to be sure, but just wanted to seek out some advice or anything here that could give me peace of mind. I'm kind of scared. Thanks for any advice, info. etc. |
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07-22-2012, 07:27 PM | #2 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Oh my goodness! 4-5 for the price of 1 !!! Gestation is counted 63 days from the first tie. Sonagram at 15-17 days seems way early to me....you have to have someone that is REALLY good at reading what they see, that early in the game....if anything can even be seen then! I dont usually get my xrays/ultrasound until day 58.What did your breeder say???!!! |
07-23-2012, 11:02 AM | #3 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pennsylvania
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| I contacted the breeder and they want more money for her now. We'll be seeing the vet in a couple of days. Does anyone know when a 'false pregnancy' begins? What symptoms are of that? Thanks!!! |
07-23-2012, 11:30 AM | #4 | |
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Second, she bred a year old pup??? WHY? Sounds like a byb to me. Ok now for your false pregnancy symptoms...I'm at a loss on this one hun. Someone on here with more experience will be able to help you with this. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this....I would be terrified as well.
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07-23-2012, 12:07 PM | #5 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Can you tell me WHEN she was bred...I am sorry, but for some reason my mind is not computing at ALL today! If you have a bill of sale on that dog, with a receipt, the breeder is "past owner"...she sold you a puppy that was for all intents and purposes, not pregnant....It is going to be a WONDERFUL thing if you also have the sonogram report SHE had done that states it is negative. Case Closed! PROBLEM: She isnt going to tell you who the sire is, so you wont be able to register the litter with AKC. (You need the name of the sire so you can contact them! THAT is who you are going to owe money or a pup to! Try to figure out HOW you are going to get the name of the sire from this lady....I guess you could tell her you will contact the AKC because she bred thedog and now wont divulge the name of the sire so you can register the litter...) Now how many days has it been since that baby was bred....you need to get an xray to determine if she is pregnant...ultrasounds are difficult to read if the person trying to read them is not proficient at it.... |
07-23-2012, 12:16 PM | #6 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Yeah, she wants more money if she has puppies. I do have a bill of sale/contract. This breeder also breeds some pretty fantastic lines in another breed and because of this I was shocked at the breeding taking place at a year old. Thanks for your help! |
07-23-2012, 12:19 PM | #7 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | If this is a registered Biewer, AKC won't register the pups regardless. I don't know about the Biewer registries and how they would handle this situation. OP....hopefully your girl isn't pregnant and this is just a false pregnancy.
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07-23-2012, 12:23 PM | #8 | |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pennsylvania
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| She was bred the first week of June. I have a contract with her, but I do not have the original sonogram. I know who the sire is and the registry is through a German Registry. That breeder does want a puppy, if she is bred. I think she was bred on June 9th and the sonogram was done on June 26th. Do you think that was too early? How soon can she have an x-ray done? Quote:
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07-24-2012, 11:31 AM | #9 | |
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X rays are usually done around day 56. Since she seems "thicker" ...this is unlikely a false pregnancy. Teats enlarge and the vulva remains swollen, but there is no significant weight gain.
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07-24-2012, 02:57 PM | #10 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Thanks for all of your help. I'm planning to have an x-ray done on her when she would be at 56 days. Her teats are bigger and her vulva is much bigger than it was when she came to me. Soooooooooo, we'll see I guess. Thanks again to everyone who added help and advise! I appreciate it so much!! |
07-25-2012, 07:08 AM | #11 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| I think you need to prepare your self for the possibility that she is pregnant and read and learn as much as you possibly can about whelping and maybe try to find a different breeder that would be willing to help you. I also think you need to make sure you know the signs of an emergency and when to get her to the vet as well as have money or a way to pay for a c-section or any other problems set aside to be ready for it. Please do not give the breeder you got your dog from a puppy she is not a good breeder or she would not have breed your girl so young and would know at what point to be able to tell if a dog was pregnant or not. If you end up giving her a puppy and a girl puppy at that she will probably end up breeding her to young as well.
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07-25-2012, 08:00 AM | #12 | |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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I think YOUR battle is done!! You know who the sire is, those are the people you are dealing with now! Since your baby was bred successfully, you dont want to "steal" those babies from the sire....I am sure you have no intention of doing that! Besides, you need them in order to get that litter registered....of course AKC is not the registry!.....I own all my own breeding stock, so this is not something I have ever dealt with....and the few times I have used another breeders stud, it is with people I know very well and we have an understanding of whether a pup or a fee is paid before the breeding takes place!..... Perhaps a breeder that is knowledgable about which avenue would be best for you, will offer their professional opinion/advice on this. I would GUESS that since YOU are not a breeder or do not show, if this sire is a reputable, winning show dog, or a stud that is in demand, I am thinking you would do best to let them have pick of the litter, (since they will know best what to do with the puppy regarding showing, using in their own breeding program, etc) and you wont have to come up with a stud fee that may be quite high! I am thinking they knew the female they allowed their stud to breed with, was going to produce puppies that would be a desirable litter, so I am thinking they will want a puppy. Congratulations! | |
07-25-2012, 09:27 AM | #13 | |
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I don't believe she's contractually obligated to either party.
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07-25-2012, 09:58 AM | #14 |
YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee
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| Oh well.... I guess it depends on wheter not she wants to register the puppies, if not then she doesn't owe anyone anything but if she does want to register the puppies she will have to deal with the stud owners. Good luck either way. |
07-25-2012, 10:26 AM | #15 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
| I am sorry...I should have said, in MY mind....I KNOW IN MY HEART AND MIND, that female did not get pregnant by immaculate conception, and I think the ETHICAL thing to do, would be to compensate the person responsible for impregnating the dog. I understand ethical and legal are certainly not synomynous. I have to look in the mirror everyday, so I try to avoid situations where my integrity and ethics are compromised. To NOT acknowledge the stud and compensate THAT breeder for the litter, TO ME, is akin to stealing....."to take and carry away wrongfully with intent to keep" and then profit from, by selling, the "goods". If no one else sees this as wrong, just write me off as a loony old lady!!! Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 07-25-2012 at 10:30 AM. |
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