Yorkie Male wanted in Illinois!

[Dixies Mom]

[QUOTE=Mardelin;3387008]Just the fact that this breeder advertised in the local newspaper SCREAMS volumes. Picking a breeder from the classifieds is not something I would recommend anyone to do.

Hey! But, check it out....just do a meet and greet and evaluate.....ask questions, write answers, ask to see a contract......come back here and ask more questions....Do not, I say do not put down a deposit.[/QUOTE

I have to say...I advertise locally because I do not want my dogs shipped. I like to meet my puppy parents, watch them interact with my babies and...help them chose the puppy best suited for them. I am not a puppy mill or a backyard breeder. I agree.. go and meet the breeder and all of their dogs, then be the judge. I am not a member of the YTCA but, I am a damn good breeder who loves her dogs.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by jencar98

JeanieK, I do agree with you that many could get a false sense of security by a breeder's association with the AKC and YTCA, not unlike the old "Good Housekeeping" seal of approval. I understand the legalese disclaimer on their page, but if the club's true best interest is the breed and not selling pups, perhaps no breeders should be listed, no breeder referral. Period.

According to breeders here, most show breeders have waiting lists for their pups anyway, so I really don't see why YTCA needs to promote sales with a breeder referral page? They provide information on the website educating on what to look for when buying a yorkie, maybe they should leave it at that?

You make a good point. Why do the need to advertise. If you go by what they say, they don't have any puppies to sell to you anyway.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I have to say...I advertise locally because I do not want my dogs shipped. I like to meet my puppy parents, watch them interact with my babies and...help them chose the puppy best suited for them. I am not a puppy mill or a backyard breeder. I agree.. go and meet the breeder and all of their dogs, then be the judge. I am not a member of the YTCA but, I am a damn good breeder who loves her dogs.

I see nothing wrong with this, and that's why I link YTCA breeder referral list, as there is usually a breeder who can be reached locally. I really believe it's so important for a puppy buyer to approve the conditions in which the dogs are kept, and not take anyone's word for it. I know most good breeders don't believe that you should breed before you have homes for the offspring, but I understand that some pet breeders will breed as a way to suppliment their income, and while I don't recommend this, I always think it's better to support a breeder where you can be 100% positive that the dogs are being treated property. I'm glad you are a breeder who doesn't want her dogs shipped, and this SHOWS me that you love your dogs!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers? Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.
The Yorkshire Terrier is a tan dog with a blue saddle. The “rare gold” Yorkie is actually a dog that appears as such due to an improper saddle pattern. Show breeders have seen this and commonly call it running gold. When the dog is cut down, you can see that the blue saddle does not come down far enough. The Yorkshire Terrier blue saddle extends lower than some of the other black and tan terriers extending to the elbow and also to the hock on the rear leg. Gold hairs can occur in the blue and black or blue hairs can appear in the gold. These faults are addressed in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. These dogs have serious faults and they too should not be sold as "rare" but placed in loving homes as they are very incorrect. Yorkies do not have white markings…never have. A small white strip is sometimes seen on the chest of newborns but this always turns to tan within a few weeks. The AKC registration form for Yorkshire Terriers allows for four choices: blue and tan, blue and gold, black and tan, black and gold. There is no provision for markings.
A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)


What exactly is the lie? You obviously have a very different take on the history of the Yorkshire Terrier than they do. You firmly believe that there were white dogs involved in the breed development. They just as firmly believe there was not. Calling them liars doesn't seem to be the best way of proving your point. I've got no clue who's right or who's wrong. I wasn't there. It just seems that if the white was more prevalent early on, wouldn't there have been some mention of it in the early breed standards?

Right there is the lie. Remember the white puppies were showing up in the show kennels first, born to champions. Upstanding long time members of the YTCA are beinhg told they are liars, that those white puppies never existed.

[Furbaby Friend]

Why does the YTCA have a referral page? Well for one, as stated previously, it gives newbies a good place to start contacting people. Generally, even if they aren't selling pups they can be a wealth of knowledge or perhaps recommend another breeder who might be selling. I personally like the YTCA referral list as a RESOURCE. Resource as in yes it requires research like anything else.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Right there is the lie. Remember the white puppies were showing up in the show kennels first, born to champions. Upstanding long time members of the YTCA are beinhg told they are liars, that those white puppies never existed.

It isn't a lie if they believe it to be true with their own resources. Granted it might not be accurate information and there may be white pups in the lines. I have no idea because I have not done genetic research and I am not a breeder. However, there is a big difference between LYING and just posting what you think is the correct information. Lying is intentionally being DISHONEST. They think they are correct and you think you are correct. They would have to be convinced otherwise and still say that for it to be a lie.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I see nothing wrong with this, and that's why I link YTCA breeder referral list, as there is usually a breeder who can be reached locally. I really believe it's so important for a puppy buyer to approve the conditions in which the dogs are kept, and not take anyone's word for it. I know most good breeders don't believe that you should breed before you have homes for the offspring, but I understand that some pet breeders will breed as a way to suppliment their income, and while I don't recommend this, I always think it's better to support a breeder where you can be 100% positive that the dogs are being treated property. I'm glad you are a breeder who doesn't want her dogs shipped, and this SHOWS me that you love your dogs!

If "pet" breeders are breeding and able to suppliment their exhisting income then I question their breeding practices. I have been developing my own lines for the past 4 years and have lost more than my yearly salarey as a fulltime Deputy Sheriff due to horrible breeders!

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

Why does the YTCA have a referral page? Well for one, as stated previously, it gives newbies a good place to start contacting people. Generally, even if they aren't selling pups they can be a wealth of knowledge or perhaps recommend another breeder who might be selling. I personally like the YTCA referral list as a RESOURCE. Resource as in yes it requires research like anything else.

You are under the misconception that only YTCA breeders hold a wealth of information.
There are Non YTCA breeders who just as capable to educate people about the breed and how go about to obtaining a nice pet puppy with out paying
a $ 2000- $ 5000 price tag.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Our postings have been proven,. documentation has been given. there have been white yorkies listed in show records way back to the beginning of the yorkie breed. Joan Gordan of wildweir Kennel has written a letter stating that she had a white yorkie in one of her litters.

Do you think all of those people are lying,. Now who hs the IQ of a potato?

That was uncalled for.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

It isn't a lie if they believe it to be true with their own resources. Granted it might not be accurate information and there may be white pups in the lines. I have no idea because I have not done genetic research and I am not a breeder. However, there is a big difference between LYING and just posting what you think is the correct information. Lying is intentionally being DISHONEST. They think they are correct and you think you are correct. They would have to be convinced otherwise and still say that for it to be a lie.

If you want to have credibility, you research before you put things on your website. this isn't just some Joe Schmoe that put up a website. this is an organization claiming to be the leading authority in the US on the yorkshire terrier breed.

And they put things on their webswite stating that NO WHITE DOG WAS USED IN THE MAKEUJP OF THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER. and THE WHITE GENE IS NOT IN THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER BREED.

Maybe someone should direct them to this thread, so they can correct their errors. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-tricolor.html

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

That was uncalled for.

He is the one that said it first. The big man should not need someone to take his blows for him. He can sure dish them out readily enough. Up until his comment, the discussion stayed pretty civil.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

You are under the misconception that only YTCA breeders hold a wealth of information.
There are Non YTCA breeders who just as capable to educate people about the breed and how go about to obtaining a nice pet puppy with out paying
a $ 2000- $ 5000 price tag.

I'm not saying they hold a TON of info and they are so great. I said you have to do you RESEARCH with anything, including the YTCA.

They are, however, a better place to start for research than a random google search! I've seen what comes up on those searches because that's where I started and you cannot tell me that a google search FILLED with mills is the place to go for pup search advice.

It is just another resource for new buyers if they are looking. It is less likely to include mill breeders or people who will lead you astray. I'm not saying non-YTCA don't have the same advice, which is why they should also utilize places like YT, but it is harder to steer random people over the internet to a good non-YTCA breeder in the area if you haven't been there yourself or bought from one in their location. It is just easier to give them the jumping point of the YTCA, but if people had local non-YTCA recommendations they could speak up in the thread like anyone else. Hence, forum.

I'm not against non-YTCA breeders. I have never said otherwise. I just said I think the YTCA is a good source for information and I think it is good they have a referral page. It isn't like I put anyone else down, jeez. I have no misconceptions thank you, you have misconceptions about me.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

If "pet" breeders are breeding and able to suppliment their exhisting income then I question their breeding practices. I have been developing my own lines for the past 4 years and have lost more than my yearly salarey as a fulltime Deputy Sheriff due to horrible breeders!

Why have you lost so much money due to horrible breeders?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I'm not saying they hold a TON of info and they are so great. I said you have to do you RESEARCH with anything, including the YTCA.

They are, however, a better place to start for research than a random google search! I've seen what comes up on those searches because that's where I started and you cannot tell me that a google search FILLED with mills is the place to go for pup search advice.

It is just another resource for new buyers if they are looking. It is less likely to include mill breeders or people who will lead you astray. I'm not saying non-YTCA don't have the same advice, which is why they should also utilize places like YT, but it is harder to steer random people over the internet to a good non-YTCA breeder in the area if you haven't been there yourself or bought from one in their location. It is just easier to give them the jumping point of the YTCA, but if people had local non-YTCA recommendations they could speak up in the thread like anyone else. Hence, forum.

I'm not against non-YTCA breeders. I have never said otherwise. I just said I think the YTCA is a good source for information and I think it is good they have a referral page. It isn't like I put anyone else down, jeez. I have no misconceptions thank you, you have misconceptions about me.

The YTCA would have more credibility if they did their research before posting mis-information.

[ladyjane]

Unbelievable.

You always do this with words, Jeanie. The man said that anyone with an IQ higher than that of a potato would know why certain things are done. He did NOT call someone out as having an IQ below that of a potato. But....hey...look at the context in which YOU used it.

This thread needs to be closed. Congratulations to the person who turned it...you know who you are. Why not go help some people rather than looking for more controversy...happens all of the time and is mighty old. You surely did nothing to help this OP find a puppy. You were more concerned it seems in protecting those who might PM him. Just the same stuff different day I suppose.