Parti Color? YTCA?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

But you are missing (ignoring) the point...if a breeder is not doing what the standard states, they are also breeding off-colors. It does NOT matter if it is a tri-color or a lighter steel. This is picking and chosing what you want to take from the standard and saying that it's okay but what the parti breeders are doing is wrong. No matter how a person paints the picture, if you say that you are for following the standard, then do that...don't tell the parti breeders how wrong we are when you or someone that you know has held a dye bottle in their hand in order to enter a dog show.

I"m not breeding for Parti's so I'm not ignoring your point Tammy. I can't tell those that dye their dogs to stop nor can I tell Parti breeders to stop breeding for Parti's. It's all a choice that one makes.
There is a difference in a tri color and a lighter steel blue there is NO white in the dog.
LOL Tammy, again I can't police what others do with their dog. I can only do what I do and remain true to myself. I know I can live with myself and can sleep at night.
I never said I agree with dyeing a dog and I've always said it's wrong.
I can only stand behind the standard that I believe to be what is best for the Yorkshire Terrier and as long as the "Parti" is a DQ and not in the standard I can't support it as you are a breeder of Parti's you have to stand behind in what you believe.

[shodanusmc]

Do you really believe you have changed anyones opinion. If I was looking for a nice pet and did not want a dog bred to the standard, I would have no problem with a Pet Parti. The standard will not changevecause someone wants it to. I love all dogs, but if I want a Yorkie, a Corso, a Dobe, a Neo, I will go to a breeder that breeds to the standard. Now years ago, some of my best friends were no bred to the standard or even purebreds. This thread can fo on forever, and nothing will change. Will be my last post here as there is no use rehasing the same thing. All is does it make a few of you get a bit sensitive, emotional, and bitter. Ciao

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Do you really believe you have changed anyones opinion. If I was looking for a nice pet and did not want a dog bred to the standard, I would have no problem with a Pet Parti. The standard will not changevecause someone wants it to. I love all dogs, but if I want a Yorkie, a Corso, a Dobe, a Neo, I will go to a breeder that breeds to the standard. Now years ago, some of my best friends were no bred to the standard or even purebreds. This thread can fo on forever, and nothing will change. Will be my last post here as there is no use rehasing the same thing. All is does it make a few of you get a bit sensitive, emotional, and bitter. Ciao

I agree nothing is going go change between standard and Parti breeders. Some get really senstive and emotional. Even when someone keeps harping on the dyeing of dogs trying to see if those of us that do not breed Parti's get emotional or bitter as I see the other side get. I'm not bitter, sensitive or emotional about any of this because I know what I do as a breeder and can live with the choices I make in my breeding program so no sense in getting so upset over it LOL....as I see those that get so upset and or bitter may have something to justify or defend. I have nothing to justify or defend in my breeding practices...I'm confident.
Donna

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I have breed traditional colored AKC yorkies to my Biewers in the past.. those are the carriers I spoke of in my post.. I will be breeding two of my Biewer females (German Parti colored yorkies) to my AKC Parti male this week (or next) as I have 4 in season right now. They will be registered as Biewer Pups, as all will be Parti colored. ( If any are held back for breeding) This is how new lines have always been added to the Biewer lines in Germany. There are many who believe the lines are diverse enough already, I am just not one that feels that way.

I also have a Carrier (Biewer mom, AKC dad) who will be bred with a Biewer male sometime this week.. her litter will have both traditionally colored and Parti colored pups.. If I hold any back, they will be registered depending on their color.. Biewer or Yorkie, just as has been done in the past in Germany.

I am doing this to benifit MY breeding program and a few of my friends.. any dogs that are not used for that purpose, will be sold as pets, at pet prices, spay or neutered and not registered. Of course, all the puppies will be tested at the same level as all the rest, loved the same and spoiled. No, this is not a money making proposition, but the health and well being of my puppies is my main concern.

Diana

Sorry, I was just confused. I didnt think that the Biewer registries allowed breeding back to AKC dogs as Biewer are not AKC.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Well, I can tell you I've gotten emotional and sensitive because I haven't gotten ANY private emails or PM's..LOL naaa, just kidding..

But seriously, I see a value in threads like these as they not only help people form their own opinions on these issues, but help them understand both sides of an issue and see what goes into making people believe one way or the other. You don't always have to agree, but understanding something/someone goes a long way in helping to resolve differences.

I for one, am delighted to see the passion we ALL feel for our precious yorkies.. It can't be a bad thing that there are so many people who truly love and care so deeply about these special little creatures. At least we all have that in comman.

Diana

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

But you are missing (ignoring) the point...if a breeder is not doing what the standard states, they are also breeding off-colors. It does NOT matter if it is a tri-color or a lighter steel. This is picking and chosing what you want to take from the standard and saying that it's okay but what the parti breeders are doing is wrong. No matter how a person paints the picture, if you say that you are for following the standard, then do that...don't tell the parti breeders how wrong we are when you or someone that you know has held a dye bottle in their hand in order to enter a dog show.

Tammy, a light colored blue and tan Yorkie can and does produce a dark or medium blue dog.(tan with blue saddle) They will not produce a parti color. Your partis will only produce parti or carriers, which is a fault also. I can live with a light blue dog if everything else is correct. I cant live with a parti, mis-marked or a color fault producer. I think that is the difference and the point.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Do you really believe you have changed anyones opinion. If I was looking for a nice pet and did not want a dog bred to the standard, I would have no problem with a Pet Parti. The standard will not changevecause someone wants it to. I love all dogs, but if I want a Yorkie, a Corso, a Dobe, a Neo, I will go to a breeder that breeds to the standard. Now years ago, some of my best friends were no bred to the standard or even purebreds. This thread can fo on forever, and nothing will change. Will be my last post here as there is no use rehasing the same thing. All is does it make a few of you get a bit sensitive, emotional, and bitter. Ciao

Your opinion doesn't count.
All kidding aside...I respect the fact you have one...but no...nothing you have to say on the subject has any bearing on my convictions as a breeder, nor will it alter my plans for my breeding program. Simply because...I don't care what your opinions of me or my parti's are.
However, you do have a right to voice it without being degraded and called names like you did to those of us who breed or purchase a parti.
Adios~~~

[Woogie Man]

I think this thread has come full circle, too. It kind of reminds me of the old cartoon.....where you have the dog punching the time clock to watch the sheep and the wolf punches his clock to go after them. Nothing ever changes but they keep punching in to do what they do LOL.

One thing I would like to say in regards to lighter colored Yorkies. I don't agree with dying a dog either, but lighter ones do show up. That doesn't mean they can't produce a correct dog and the tint of blue is no reason to discount these dogs as off-colored. Partis bred to partis will only produce partis so there is zero chance of getting a correctly colored dog from them.

Not every breeder produces cookie cutter dogs with 100% conformation, even with good lines. I get the impression that some think the breed standard is what a standard, typical Yorkie should look like. The breed standard describes the ideal Yorkie and many will not meet the ideal. Many exhibitors have said on this forum how they may have to wait several litters to get a great prospect. The ideal is something to strive for...not something that is achieved every time.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, I was just confused. I didnt think that the Biewer registries allowed breeding back to AKC dogs as Biewer are not AKC.

That's OK.. it's a confusing subject. Not all clubs believe in breeding back to yorkies, but registries are seperate of clubs. A prime example is AKC (registry) and YTCA (club)... seperate, and they don't always agree with what the other does Right?

Diana

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Tammy, a light colored blue and tan Yorkie can and does produce a dark or medium blue dog.(tan with blue saddle) They will not produce a parti color. Your partis will only produce parti or carriers, which is a fault also. I can live with a light blue dog if everything else is correct. I cant live with a parti, mis-marked or a color fault producer. I think that is the difference and the point.

But a parti CAN and often does produce a beautiful blue and tan.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I think this thread has come full circle, too. It kind of reminds me of the old cartoon.....where you have the dog punching the time clock to watch the sheep and the wolf punches his clock to go after them. Nothing ever changes but they keep punching in to do what they do LOL.

One thing I would like to say in regards to lighter colored Yorkies. I don't agree with dying a dog either, but lighter ones do show up. That doesn't mean they can't produce a correct dog and the tint of blue is no reason to discount these dogs as off-colored. Partis bred to partis will only produce partis so there is zero chance of getting a correctly colored dog from them.

Not every breeder produces cookie cutter dogs with 100% conformation, even with good lines. I get the impression that some think the breed standard is what a standard, typical Yorkie should look like. The breed standard describes the ideal Yorkie and many will not meet the ideal. Many exhibitors have said on this forum how they may have to wait several litters to get a great prospect. The ideal is something to strive for...not something that is achieved every time.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

But a parti CAN and often does produce a beautiful blue and tan.

But they WILL produce a color fault!

[Breny]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, I was just confused. I didnt think that the Biewer registries allowed breeding back to AKC dogs as Biewer are not AKC.

Yes its allowed.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Your opinion doesn't count.
All kidding aside...I respect the fact you have one...but no...nothing you have to say on the subject has any bearing on my convictions as a breeder, nor will it alter my plans for my breeding program. Simply because...I don't care what your opinions of me or my parti's are.
However, you do have a right to voice it without being degraded and called names like you did to those of us who breed or purchase a parti.
Adios~~~

Just when I thought I was done here, you pull me back in. Names? I am sure you have been called much worse by your friends and family over the years, and then again, you and several others started in by following me around. You had it out for me from one of my first posts here when I asked "What are Parti's so expensive andpeople are selling them for $6,000. I guess you prefer to forget that. I know my opinion will not change what you do. I can live with that, but I also hope that the standard is never changed. Contniue to breed great little pets.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

But they WILL produce a color fault!

.....and so do standards.