Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3270564)

But you are missing (ignoring) the point...if a breeder is not doing what the standard states, they are also breeding off-colors. It does NOT matter if it is a tri-color or a lighter steel. This is picking and chosing what you want to take from the standard and saying that it's okay but what the parti breeders are doing is wrong. No matter how a person paints the picture, if you say that you are for following the standard, then do that...don't tell the parti breeders how wrong we are when you or someone that you know has held a dye bottle in their hand in order to enter a dog show.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3270592)

Do you really believe you have changed anyones opinion. If I was looking for a nice pet and did not want a dog bred to the standard, I would have no problem with a Pet Parti. The standard will not changevecause someone wants it to. I love all dogs, but if I want a Yorkie, a Corso, a Dobe, a Neo, I will go to a breeder that breeds to the standard. Now years ago, some of my best friends were no bred to the standard or even purebreds. This thread can fo on forever, and nothing will change. Will be my last post here as there is no use rehasing the same thing. All is does it make a few of you get a bit sensitive, emotional, and bitter. Ciao

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3270063)

I have breed traditional colored AKC yorkies to my Biewers in the past.. those are the carriers I spoke of in my post.. I will be breeding two of my Biewer females (German Parti colored yorkies) to my AKC Parti male this week (or next) as I have 4 in season right now. They will be registered as Biewer Pups, as all will be Parti colored. ( If any are held back for breeding) This is how new lines have always been added to the Biewer lines in Germany. There are many who believe the lines are diverse enough already, I am just not one that feels that way.

I also have a Carrier (Biewer mom, AKC dad) who will be bred with a Biewer male sometime this week.. her litter will have both traditionally colored and Parti colored pups.. If I hold any back, they will be registered depending on their color.. Biewer or Yorkie, just as has been done in the past in Germany.

I am doing this to benifit MY breeding program and a few of my friends.. any dogs that are not used for that purpose, will be sold as pets, at pet prices, spay or neutered and not registered. Of course, all the puppies will be tested at the same level as all the rest, loved the same and spoiled. No, this is not a money making proposition, but the health and well being of my puppies is my main concern.

Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3270564)

But you are missing (ignoring) the point...if a breeder is not doing what the standard states, they are also breeding off-colors. It does NOT matter if it is a tri-color or a lighter steel. This is picking and chosing what you want to take from the standard and saying that it's okay but what the parti breeders are doing is wrong. No matter how a person paints the picture, if you say that you are for following the standard, then do that...don't tell the parti breeders how wrong we are when you or someone that you know has held a dye bottle in their hand in order to enter a dog show.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3270592)

Do you really believe you have changed anyones opinion. If I was looking for a nice pet and did not want a dog bred to the standard, I would have no problem with a Pet Parti. The standard will not changevecause someone wants it to. I love all dogs, but if I want a Yorkie, a Corso, a Dobe, a Neo, I will go to a breeder that breeds to the standard. Now years ago, some of my best friends were no bred to the standard or even purebreds. This thread can fo on forever, and nothing will change. Will be my last post here as there is no use rehasing the same thing. All is does it make a few of you get a bit sensitive, emotional, and bitter. Ciao

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3270602)

Sorry, I was just confused. I didnt think that the Biewer registries allowed breeding back to AKC dogs as Biewer are not AKC.

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3270614)

Tammy, a light colored blue and tan Yorkie can and does produce a dark or medium blue dog.(tan with blue saddle) They will not produce a parti color. Your partis will only produce parti or carriers, which is a fault also. I can live with a light blue dog if everything else is correct. I cant live with a parti, mis-marked or a color fault producer. I think that is the difference and the point.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3270618)

I think this thread has come full circle, too. It kind of reminds me of the old cartoon.....where you have the dog punching the time clock to watch the sheep and the wolf punches his clock to go after them. Nothing ever changes but they keep punching in to do what they do LOL.

One thing I would like to say in regards to lighter colored Yorkies. I don't agree with dying a dog either, but lighter ones do show up. That doesn't mean they can't produce a correct dog and the tint of blue is no reason to discount these dogs as off-colored. Partis bred to partis will only produce partis so there is zero chance of getting a correctly colored dog from them.

Not every breeder produces cookie cutter dogs with 100% conformation, even with good lines. I get the impression that some think the breed standard is what a standard, typical Yorkie should look like. The breed standard describes the ideal Yorkie and many will not meet the ideal. Many exhibitors have said on this forum how they may have to wait several litters to get a great prospect. The ideal is something to strive for...not something that is achieved every time.

Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3270620)

But a parti CAN and often does produce a beautiful blue and tan. :D

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3270602)

Sorry, I was just confused. I didnt think that the Biewer registries allowed breeding back to AKC dogs as Biewer are not AKC.

Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3270617)

Your opinion doesn't count. ;)
All kidding aside...I respect the fact you have one...but no...nothing you have to say on the subject has any bearing on my convictions as a breeder, nor will it alter my plans for my breeding program. Simply because...I don't care what your opinions of me or my parti's are.
However, you do have a right to voice it without being degraded and called names like you did to those of us who breed or purchase a parti.
Adios~~~

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3270624)

But they WILL produce a color fault!:D