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shodanusmc 09-02-2010 12:50 PM
Price? It's an honest question. No one can seem to answer it other than to say they can get the money! I have not seen show breeders that breed to the standard and for the betterment of the bredd get as defensive as several parti here. I have nothing against them going to a nice pet home. Guess some people just have a lot of money to spend, same as the tiniest of the tiny. But what do I know, I just hunt hogs and love dogs!

yorkiekist 09-02-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3259786)
Do you know who Joan Gordon is? I doubt her and her sister let another breed get into their line. But thats JMO
Got any pictures of Trifecta?

Breezeaway 09-02-2010 12:55 PM
Joan is going to send me pictures of Wildweir Triplicate when she can get someone to get them off of the top of the bookcase since she cant reach it after her fall.

yorkiekist 09-02-2010 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3259797)
Joan is going to send me pictures of Wildweir Triplicate when she can get someone to get them off of the top of the bookcase since she cant reach it after her fall.
Oops, sorry I got the name wrong.:( It would be interesting to see, if she sends it.

bjh 09-02-2010 01:12 PM
If anyone is interested in the history of the parti yorkie, all one has to do is do a google search for 'history of the parti yorkie'. I see many parti breeders have posted their explanation on how the parti came about and but this is the one I found the most interesting and most logical:
Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies

yorkiekist 09-02-2010 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3259808)
If anyone is interested in the history of the parti yorkie, all one has to do is do a google search for 'history of the parti yorkie'. I see many parti breeders have posted their explanation on how the parti came about and but this is the one I found the most interesting and most logical:
Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies
:thumbup:She should know. Been around for a long time.

yorkiegirl2 09-02-2010 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3259721)
To answer your question, I know Anne Wylie (Hylan Acres) and she does not breed parti yorkies. Anne made the mistake, as others have, in trusting someone with her lines and that person produced the parti pups. Anne would never suggest putting down a off colored puppy. She would pet them out.

My personally feelings are that I am very skeptical about the origin of the parti yorkie. I feel that somewhere along the way the Maltese has been mixed in or some other breed. I don't know how anyone can prove any difference. There are ways breeders can cheat the system.

If someone wants to breed parti yorkies then that is their business but to try to force the YTCA to accept them, in my opinion, it is not right. If someone wants to show a parti then why not get a Biewer (everyone claims they are parti yorkies). Perhaps one day the Biewer will be accept by AKC.
I called and got the info concering the Hylan carrier dogs.
The lady who owned Hylan Darling Diva bought the dog from Hylan‘s.
She took the dog back to Hylan’s to be bred to Hylan Ridin the Storm.
Since she bought the dog for breeding to produce show pups she was pretty upset when the female whelped 7 pups - 2 of which were Parti’s.
There was a dispute between the parties and AKC did DNA testing on
Riding the storm, Darling Diva and all 7 pup before they were registered.
And Yes, Hylan did tell the lady who owned the litter to put down the Parti pups.
2 of the Parti carriers in that litter
Hylan Diva's Remington Blue Steel and Hylan Diva's Dannilyn Has it All
were bought by Debra Cart.

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3259808)
If anyone is interested in the history of the parti yorkie, all one has to do is do a google search for 'history of the parti yorkie'. I see many parti breeders have posted their explanation on how the parti came about and but this is the one I found the most interesting and most logical:
Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies
This information is outdated, biased and quite frankly...old school. She is only offering her personal beliefs. Nothing which she has proven fact. Where is the proof of what she says? Why is her info so believable when all she does is assume a mix is behind the parti's existence? Beliefs by assumption..doesn't make it true...no matter what side of the fence you are on.

I believe in FACTS...not opinions. If those with an open mind want REAL facts...Debbie (Lowood Farms) has proof of her research...by tracing pedigree's and talking personally with those who have 1st hand knowledge of parti's being born in lines other then BYB lines. She has used her own money and time for this...and still continues to find more and more documentation to back up her claims concerning the parti and the Biewer.

Parti Yorkshire Terrier - Snow Blue Yorkshire Terriers

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3259721)
To answer your question, I know Anne Wylie (Hylan Acres) and she does not breed parti yorkies. Anne made the mistake, as others have, in trusting someone with her lines and that person produced the parti pups. Anne would never suggest putting down a off colored puppy. She would pet them out.

My personally feelings are that I am very skeptical about the origin of the parti yorkie. I feel that somewhere along the way the Maltese has been mixed in or some other breed. I don't know how anyone can prove any difference. There are ways breeders can cheat the system.

If someone wants to breed parti yorkies then that is their business but to try to force the YTCA to accept them, in my opinion, it is not right. If someone wants to show a parti then why not get a Biewer (everyone claims they are parti yorkies). Perhaps one day the Biewer will be accept by AKC.
Biewers are just an unregistered version of the AKC registered Parti Yorkie.
Why give up on a tri yorkie that is already AKC reg...just to start over with an un-reg tri yorkie. That is going backwards if you ask me. How does that make sense? Just to be able to show in rare breed clubs? The AKC parti can already do that and is already AKC reg. IMO..the Biewer will not get AKC registration, as it can be traced to the same lines as the parti, and are out of pure Yorkshire Terrier foundation.

Hopefully the UKC accepts the parti yorkie soon (like it has the parti poodle) and we can show are dogs there. And we will continue to show our carriers with AKC until hell freezes over. ;)

yorkiekist 09-02-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3259929)
Biewers are just an unregistered version of the AKC registered Parti Yorkie.
Why give up on a tri yorkie that is already AKC reg...just to start over with an un-reg tri yorkie. That is going backwards if you ask me. How does that make sense? Just to be able to show in rare breed clubs? The AKC parti can already do that and is already AKC reg. IMO..the Biewer will not get AKC registration, as it can be traced to the same lines as the parti, and are out of pure Yorkshire Terrier foundation.

Hopefully the UKC accepts the parti yorkie soon (like it has the parti poodle) and we can show are dogs there. And we will continue to show our carriers with AKC until hell freezes over. ;)
Your last quote is why it is very hard now to get a great show dog, even for people that what to breed the correct way(to the standard). The last thing most reputable breeders want is for their show stock to end up in parti breeders hands. Why would you feel the need to champion one of your parti carriers anyway?? Bragging rights perhaps? It will still do you no good. Partis will not be able to be shown, you will not be accepted into the YTCA(I am sure that doesnt matter to you) and you are not breeding to the standard of the breed. So whats the point? Except bragging rights.
Just wondering.:confused:

bjh 09-02-2010 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3259882)
I called and got the info concering the Hylan carrier dogs.
The lady who owned Hylan Darling Diva bought the dog from Hylan‘s.
She took the dog back to Hylan’s to be bred to Hylan Ridin the Storm.
Since she bought the dog for breeding to produce show pups she was pretty upset when the female whelped 7 pups - 2 of which were Parti’s.
There was a dispute between the parties and AKC did DNA testing on
Riding the storm, Darling Diva and all 7 pup before they were registered.
And Yes, Hylan did tell the lady who owned the litter to put down the Parti pups.
2 of the Parti carriers in that litter
Hylan Diva's Remington Blue Steel and Hylan Diva's Dannilyn Has it All
were bought by Debra Cart.
So help me understand, the person who's female whelped 7 pups of which 2 were partis was upset about it because she was trying to produce show pups. Then why in the world would she sell the pups with full registration to breeders knowing that the bloodline contained a major fault? This is just another example of a breeder getting their hands on some nice champion sired puppies and not caring what they do with the pups or how it can hurt the reputation of the sire's owner. This just proves that a very strict contract is needed when selling or breeding dogs unless you just don't care who's hands your lines get into.

JeanieK 09-02-2010 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3258780)
I would interested to read responses to your question too, bc I've never quite understood that reasoning either.

I do understand the traditional color yorkie breeder wanting to preserve the traditional colors but don't see how allowing parti yorkies to be shown AKC would be detrimental to them? Has that been true with other breeds and class variations?

Donna, I don't agree that all who breed parti yorkies do so just to supply a pet market bc they can't show. To know that for some, you would have to know the individual and what is behind their heart. Perhaps they breed partis for the very same reason you are in love with yorkies and continue to strive for a better yorkie, in their case a better parti color yorkie.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Those who produced the yorkies in the first place did it to produce a better dog for their purposes, not to win acceptance in a show ring.

Most of the parti breeders, that I know, are trying to breed for partis that meet the standard in everything except for color. Since we are not starting out with champion dogs, our job is a little more difficult.

bjh 09-02-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3259909)
This information is outdated, biased and quite frankly...old school. She is only offering her personal beliefs. Nothing which she has proven fact. Where is the proof of what she says? Why is her info so believable when all she does is assume a mix is behind the parti's existence? Beliefs by assumption..doesn't make it true...no matter what side of the fence you are on.

I believe in FACTS...not opinions. If those with an open mind want REAL facts...Debbie (Lowood Farms) has proof of her research...by tracing pedigree's and talking personally with those who have 1st hand knowledge of parti's being born in lines other then BYB lines. She has used her own money and time for this...and still continues to find more and more documentation to back up her claims concerning the parti and the Biewer.

Parti Yorkshire Terrier - Snow Blue Yorkshire Terriers
I have stayed out of the parti debate because I think it all boils down to opinions. I know that AKC did not require dna testing of dogs years ago. A pedigree proves nothing unless all the dogs were dna'ed and even then breeders that collect and mail in their dogs dna can cheat.

Lol, I know many years ago before the government required all children to have social security numbers, there was a lady that claimed her dogs as dependents. I also know of breeders that would get extra puppy registration papers and use those papers to register dogs they bought that did not have papers. There have always been cheaters around.

If the YTCA changed the standard to allow parti yorkies then what about all the other coat colors? I have seen some beautiful black yorkies but does that mean they should be allowed in the show ring? I just prefer to leave the standard the way it is. Just my opinion.

kpstoybox 09-02-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3259965)
Your last quote is why it is very hard now to get a great show dog, even for people that what to breed the correct way(to the standard). The last thing most reputable breeders want is for their show stock to end up in parti breeders hands. Why would you feel the need to champion one of your parti carriers anyway?? Bragging rights perhaps? It will still do you no good. Partis will not be able to be shown, you will not be accepted into the YTCA(I am sure that doesnt matter to you) and you are not breeding to the standard of the breed. So whats the point? Except bragging rights.
Just wondering.:confused:
The same reason you show your dogs. If my carrier is nice enough to beat your dog in the ring...then I am on the right track with my breeding program.

As far as "bragging rights" is concerned. You guys do it all the time. I see brag threads and everyone is happy for the one who is bragging. You can bet your last dollar that when I do finish a carrier (and I will) I will be here to brag about it.

Breezeaway 09-02-2010 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3260010)
I have stayed out of the parti debate because I think it all boils down to opinions. I know that AKC did not require dna testing of dogs years ago. A pedigree proves nothing unless all the dogs were dna'ed and even then breeders that collect and mail in their dogs dna can cheat.

Lol, I know many years ago before the government required all children to have social security numbers, there was a lady that claimed her dogs as dependents. I also know of breeders that would get extra puppy registration papers and use those papers to register dogs they bought that did not have papers. There have always been cheaters around.

If the YTCA changed the standard to allow parti yorkies then what about all the other coat colors? I have seen some beautiful black yorkies but does that mean they should be allowed in the show ring? I just prefer to leave the standard the way it is. Just my opinion.
And that statement goes for all Yorkies, you cant just pick a color and say that about one color. It goes for all dogs. they didnt DNA any dogs back in the day, so how do you know your pedigrees are 100% accurate from 20 years ago? So that point really doesnt carry much water does it?


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