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Elle 09-14-2010 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3270243)
I guess this is what upsets me more, is the fact there are so many health issues in our breed! But it seems like it is more important to worry about the color of the healthy specimen, instead of worrying about all the health issues in our breed. I know there are parti breeders who do everything possible in producing excellent healthy litters and better what they have.

I use to be pro ytca all the way, but you can only be burnt and hurt so many times. I feel if you are the parent club, you should set an example and make sure all your members breed smart with health being the number 1 concern, not conformation. As they say follow by example.
You are right about health issues in the yorshire terrier. This breed does have many health concerns we should all be aware of. As well as the testing, education, and continued education to keep up with changes. There is much to consider regarding the well-being of a healthy dog.

What should we worry about the most? Everything! It is all important! It all matters more than anything else! This is why nobody should breed willy nilly. Even with all the testing, things happen. It's what you do about it that matters.

chachi 09-14-2010 10:25 AM
I use to frown on breeding the off colors before I really listened to the parti breeders reasons for wanting to breed them and get them accepted as a color variation of the yorkie terrier. Also I researched about other breeds where the piebald gene shows up. I dont see anything wrong with the parti breeders wanting a color variation added for their partis. I think they should breed for the standard and keep their lines pure not breeding partis to goldens or other off colors if they want to be considered seriously. I think that health and structure should be more important than color

Elle 09-14-2010 10:55 AM
Huh? What do you think the standard is?
Not is is but is means lol.

chachi 09-14-2010 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3270502)
Huh? What do you think the standard is?
Not is is but is means lol.
You are a very rude person but Ill answer you anyway. What I meant is breed to the standard in all ways but color got it

Brooklynn 09-14-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3270515)
You are a very rude person but Ill answer you anyway. What I meant is breed to the standard in all ways but color got it
But one is not breeding to standard because the dark steel blue and tan is the standard. But I agree health should be of the utmost of importance.

Donna

TammyJM 09-14-2010 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3270532)
But one is not breeding to standard because the dark steel blue and tan is the standard. But I agree health should be of the utmost of importance.

Donna
But Donna neither are the people that are dyeing and somehow that is justified and yet it's no different....still not the standard. In fact, any breeder that has any color other than what the standard states, is breeding "off colors". Can't say one is wrong and not the others.

I'm thinkin' this thread has run its course and those reading it have probably already formed their opinions. I am glad to see that some of those that used to be opposed to the parti have now changed their minds after reading what the parti breeders have written....and it's not just people that have posted on this thread, I also have people emailing me the same thing.

So maybe I am wrong....it appears that the parti threads are helping. :)

Breny 09-14-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3270540)
But Donna neither are the people that are dyeing and somehow that is justified and yet it's no different....still not the standard. In fact, any breeder that has any color other than what the standard states, is breeding "off colors". Can't say one is wrong and not the others.

I'm thinkin' this thread has run its course and those reading it have probably already formed their opinions. I am glad to see that some of those that used to be opposed to the parti have now changed their minds after reading what the parti breeders have written....and it's not just people that have posted on this thread, I also have people emailing me the same thing.

So maybe I am wrong....it appears that the parti threads are helping. :)
I hope so because the Parti breeders I know, are really striving for the betterment of the breed and are just as passionate about their dogs as most of the show breeders are that I read on here.

I agree, there are always going to be bad seeds out there with any breed (people breeding just to breed and producing bad representation of the breed) but from the group of people I have recently gotten to know, they are really going to better the Parti Yorkshire Terrier and I can't wait to see what becomes of it.

yorkiegirl2 09-14-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3270532)
But one is not breeding to standard because the dark steel blue and tan is the standard. But I agree health should be of the utmost of importance.

Donna
Donna just how many do you think that are really breeding to the
true dark steel blue and tan standard ?
My guess would be somewhere around 10-20 %.

Most breeders are not going to discard a nice soft black or light blue if they have great pedigrees, health and meet the standard in every other way except for color.

We know the only way light blues can meet the standard is to dye the dog but what about the soft blacks ?
Can you dye a black coat to meet the standard ?

Brooklynn 09-14-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3270540)
But Donna neither are the people that are dyeing and somehow that is justified and yet it's no different....still not the standard. In fact, any breeder that has any color other than what the standard states, is breeding "off colors". Can't say one is wrong and not the others.

I'm thinkin' this thread has run its course and those reading it have probably already formed their opinions. I am glad to see that some of those that used to be opposed to the parti have now changed their minds after reading what the parti breeders have written....and it's not just people that have posted on this thread, I also have people emailing me the same thing.

So maybe I am wrong....it appears that the parti threads are helping. :)
I"m not justifing dyeing a dog either as it's wrong but a lighter steel blue is NOT a tri color dog am I not correct? When breeding for a tri-color your creating a major fault within the breed.
I'm also getting plenty of PM's saying what a wonderful job that those of us that keep standing our ground....so I guess it is informative because I'm receiving emails for the standard and that supports the YTCA.
I also agree that this thread has run it's course and as we all know none of us will change our minds....I've always stayed on topic and in a friendly manner and I've gotten so many emails wondering how I can keep my cool and tongue and I just have to say it's easy because I strongly believe in my convictions.
Donna

kpstoybox 09-14-2010 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3270540)
But Donna neither are the people that are dyeing and somehow that is justified and yet it's no different....still not the standard. In fact, any breeder that has any color other than what the standard states, is breeding "off colors". Can't say one is wrong and not the others.

I'm thinkin' this thread has run its course and those reading it have probably already formed their opinions. I am glad to see that some of those that used to be opposed to the parti have now changed their minds after reading what the parti breeders have written....and it's not just people that have posted on this thread, I also have people emailing me the same thing.

So maybe I am wrong....it appears that the parti threads are helping. :)
You are so right Tammy. Even though this thread seems to just go in circles to us...the people on the outside looking in are forming opinions of their own. And judging by the PM's and the emails I have received...I am at least encouraged that the parti will gain more support as it's conformation catches up to the show quality traditional.

TammyJM 09-14-2010 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3270558)
I"m not justifing dyeing a dog either as it's wrong but a lighter steel blue is NOT a tri color dog am I not correct? When breeding for a tri-color your creating a major fault within the breed.
I'm also getting plenty of PM's saying what a wonderful job that those of us that keep standing our ground....so I guess it is informative because I'm receiving emails for the standard and that supports the YTCA.
I also agree that this thread has run it's course and as we all know none of us will change our minds....I've always stayed on topic and in a friendly manner and I've gotten so many emails wondering how I can keep my cool and tongue and I just have to say it's easy because I strongly believe in my convictions.
Donna
But you are missing (ignoring) the point...if a breeder is not doing what the standard states, they are also breeding off-colors. It does NOT matter if it is a tri-color or a lighter steel. This is picking and chosing what you want to take from the standard and saying that it's okay but what the parti breeders are doing is wrong. No matter how a person paints the picture, if you say that you are for following the standard, then do that...don't tell the parti breeders how wrong we are when you or someone that you know has held a dye bottle in their hand in order to enter a dog show.

Elle 09-14-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3270515)
You are a very rude person but Ill answer you anyway. What I meant is breed to the standard in all ways but color got it
So you are saying, change the standard. But you say I'm rude. Your hysterical

kpstoybox 09-14-2010 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3270458)
I use to frown on breeding the off colors before I really listened to the parti breeders reasons for wanting to breed them and get them accepted as a color variation of the yorkie terrier. Also I researched about other breeds where the piebald gene shows up. I dont see anything wrong with the parti breeders wanting a color variation added for their partis. I think they should breed for the standard and keep their lines pure not breeding partis to goldens or other off colors if they want to be considered seriously. I think that health and structure should be more important than color
Now you know I have to give this a big....:thumbup:

I'm glad you took the time to research it a little and base your opinion on facts.

TammyJM 09-14-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3270565)
So you are saying, change the standard. But you say I'm rude. Your hysterical
What if this is her opinion....she's enititled to it. I guess you will also tell her that her opnions don't matter.

By the way, she is correct about you being rude. But I'm sure this won't mean much since you already told me how my opinions do not matter to you. :)

Brooklynn 09-14-2010 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3270557)
Donna just how many do you think that are really breeding to the
true dark steel blue and tan standard ?
My guess would be somewhere around 10-20 %.

Most breeders are not going to discard a nice soft black or light blue if they have great pedigrees, health and meet the standard in every other way except for color.

We know the only way light blues can meet the standard is to dye the dog but what about the soft blacks ?
Can you dye a black coat to meet the standard ?
But there is a HUGE difference....a lighter yorkie isn't a Parti and not being bred to be a "Parti". A lighter yorkie is NOT a DQ in the show ring but a Parti color is....
As for coloring I couldn't tell ya the % of show exhibitors that do it. I hear how to dye the lighter yorkie but I have no clue or heard how to make a black yorkie lighter. I"m not a hair colorist.
And again, Parti's are a DQ in the show ring but a lighter blue yorkie or even a black yorkie isn't a DQ for the show ring LOL...the DQ targets the Parti color and then it's left up to the judges as to DQ or dismiss something other than the Parti.


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