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darbygale 09-13-2010 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3269174)
Where is your proof that Gloria got 2 females from this breeder? Who was this breeder? What were the dogs names? Where is your proof?
I was there when the dogs arrived from the airport. Stanley picked them up and brought them home. I saw them with my own eyes. The breeder was Shirley Caldwell and she bought Ashley from the Lipmans, showed him some as a special, bred him lots and a few years later returned him with the bitches. I knew Gloria and Stanley for many years and when the parti puppy was born she called and told me about it. She was stunned and did not register it. Then people coming for puppies all wanted that parti puppy. OMG $$$$$$$$$$ in the eyes and she started repeating the breeding and kept anything that was parti and bred them to each other. It was at that time that I severed my relationship with them. I felt it was unethical then and still do. And what a shame, Nikko Kennels had some gorgeous dogs at one time even though they had no qualms about breeding in health issues.

darbygale 09-13-2010 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3269190)
I guess you haven't paid much attention to this thread.

I would be interested in knowing what show lines are producing the partis also. And I mean AKC shows, not UKC or some other off the wall show giving entity.

Raymond's Mom 09-13-2010 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3269190)
I guess you haven't paid much attention to this thread.
If you're still trying to say that it was the Wildweir line you'd better reconsider. A dog born with excessive white, NOT white patches on the sides and head is not your parti color yorkie. And the most influential yorkshire terrier kennel in the United States did not keep the dog and start a whole line of poorly marked dogs with excessive white on them!!!! But then Joan Gordon and Janet Bennett were not then nor ever have been motivated by profit.

darbygale 09-13-2010 09:49 AM
Accuracy of DNA breed tests. Seems strange that the various companies say not to use their tests to enforce breed bans. Evidently they are not that convinced about their own test results. What's your mutt? Accuracy questioned in DNA dog tests - The Oakland Press News: The best place for news in and around Oakland County

Breezeaway 09-13-2010 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by darbygale (Post 3269192)
I was there when the dogs arrived from the airport. Stanley picked them up and brought them home. I saw them with my own eyes. The breeder was Shirley Caldwell and she bought Ashley from the Lipmans, showed him some as a special, bred him lots and a few years later returned him with the bitches. I knew Gloria and Stanley for many years and when the parti puppy was born she called and told me about it. She was stunned and did not register it. Then people coming for puppies all wanted that parti puppy. OMG $$$$$$$$$$ in the eyes and she started repeating the breeding and kept anything that was parti and bred them to each other. It was at that time that I severed my relationship with them. I felt it was unethical then and still do. And what a shame, Nikko Kennels had some gorgeous dogs at one time even though they had no qualms about breeding in health issues.
Again where is your proof, Woodcres dogs were out of Nikko's Rolls Royce Manhatten

Breezeaway 09-13-2010 09:53 AM
Gloria is not the one who was selling these dogs, Loryn Is the one who started selling the Nikkos line of parti's

Elle 09-13-2010 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by darbygale (Post 3269194)
I would be interested in knowing what show lines are producing the partis also. And I mean AKC shows, not UKC or some other off the wall show giving entity.

I've never known of any.

darbygale 09-13-2010 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3269201)
Again where is your proof, Woodcres dogs were out of Nikko's Rolls Royce Manhatten
Woodcres Silver Star was out of R.R. Manhattan. Do you really believe that none of her bitches were bred to Ashley when she paid $25,000 to have him??????? Where is your proof that all Woodcres dogs were out of R.R. Manhattan?????

Woodcres Moonlight Charisma was out of Nikkos' Little Lord Hermitige and Nikko's Happy Hour. If I felt so inclined to pull out my records from 20 + years ago, which I don't, I could give you more names. Just hope all of you people that are hanging onto the Nikko lines have gotten away from the collapsed tracheas.

darbygale 09-13-2010 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3269206)
Gloria is not the one who was selling these dogs, Loryn Is the one who started selling the Nikkos line of parti's
Gee, and where did she get these dogs from to begin with? Joe Blow in Timbuktu?

Rhetts_mama 09-13-2010 10:08 AM
I asked this on another thread and never got an answer, so I'm going to ask it again. Just HOW does breeding partis dilute the yorkie gene pool?

One of the arguments I've heard is that because we don't know what else is affected by the parti gene, they MIGHT be at higher risk for carrying other traits. Has this ever been proven or is it just speculation used as fact?

If traditional yorkies are bred to only traditional yorkies, and partis to partis or parti-carriers, how does that affect the coloring of the tradtional? If anything, wouldn't it cause good breeders to be even MORE careful about their lines and be more honest in their breeding programs?

kpstoybox 09-13-2010 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by darbygale (Post 3269192)
I was there when the dogs arrived from the airport. Stanley picked them up and brought them home. I saw them with my own eyes. The breeder was Shirley Caldwell and she bought Ashley from the Lipmans, showed him some as a special, bred him lots and a few years later returned him with the bitches. I knew Gloria and Stanley for many years and when the parti puppy was born she called and told me about it. She was stunned and did not register it. Then people coming for puppies all wanted that parti puppy. OMG $$$$$$$$$$ in the eyes and she started repeating the breeding and kept anything that was parti and bred them to each other. It was at that time that I severed my relationship with them. I felt it was unethical then and still do. And what a shame, Nikko Kennels had some gorgeous dogs at one time even though they had no qualms about breeding in health issues.
Well, on that we can agree upon. Many "show" kennels had no qualms on breeding beauty before health.

darbygale 09-13-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3269229)

If traditional yorkies are bred to only traditional yorkies, and partis to partis or parti-carriers, how does that affect the coloring of the tradtional? If anything, wouldn't it cause good breeders to be even MORE careful about their lines and be more honest in their breeding programs?

Since parti breeders can get parti and traditional colored yorkies in the same litter, there is nothing to prevent them from showing or selling the traditional colored yorkies, that are more than likely a carrier of the parti gene, to the unsuspecting public. If it is colored traditional, they register it that way and if parti, they register it as parti. I have also heard that the biewer people do the same. Both are just a scam to make bigger bucks selling puppies, just like people who use the term "teacup".

kpstoybox 09-13-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by darbygale (Post 3269237)
Since parti breeders can get parti and traditional colored yorkies in the same litter, there is nothing to prevent them from showing or selling the traditional colored yorkies, that are more than likely a carrier of the parti gene, to the unsuspecting public. If it is colored traditional, they register it that way and if parti, they register it as parti. I have also heard that the biewer people do the same. Both are just a scam to make bigger bucks selling puppies, just like people who use the term "teacup".
Either we are exploiting the parti for exorbitant prices..or we are deceiving the unsuspecting public about their existence. Make up your mind people...you can't have it both ways. LOL

darbygale 09-13-2010 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3269243)
Either we are exploiting the parti for exorbitant prices..or we are deceiving the unsuspecting public about their existence. Make up your mind people...you can't have it both ways. LOL
I would say most are doing both. Non-refundable deposits???? Please!

kpstoybox 09-13-2010 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom (Post 3269195)
If you're still trying to say that it was the Wildweir line you'd better reconsider. A dog born with excessive white, NOT white patches on the sides and head is not your parti color yorkie. And the most influential yorkshire terrier kennel in the United States did not keep the dog and start a whole line of poorly marked dogs with excessive white on them!!!! But then Joan Gordon and Janet Bennett were not then nor ever have been motivated by profit.
And just what is it I should reconsider? I personally have seen and read Joan's own words to discribe "her tri pup" and it was not a mismark. It was a "WHITE DOG WITH BLACK SPOTS"!!! How is that NOT a parti?


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