Parti Color? YTCA?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

Just one step further toward destroying the breed as we know it. Brag... go ahead, no one can stop you. But those who you wish most to impress will never give you the credit you so desire unless you keep the fact that the dog is a carrier a secret. You're in a catch 22 aren't you???

This keeps being posted but no one has satisfactorily explained just how the breeding of partis and biewers will destroy the yorkie breed. I nor anyone else here, that I'm aware of believes for one minute, most of the AKC yorkie show breeders today would dare purchase breeding stock from an unknown, so the danger of tainting the lines would be minimal.

The show world is small enough, rumor, fact and fiction spread like wildfire....most all of you here belong to show lists, other breeders are discussed often, just as what they breed is discussed. I'm sure some mixing will be done, but it would be the same as any other less than honest aspect of the show world and breeders....nothing that doesn't go on everyday. Even more of a reason for a breeder to know exactly who they are dealing with regardless of what type being bred.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some of the parti and biewer breeders are not striving to impress those that are handing out "credits"....some of the dedicated, parti and biewer breeders breed for the very same reason traditional color yorkie breeders do......for the love of the breed, the betterment of their breed/color variety. I don't see why you would think those reasons for breeding are exclusive to show breeders of traditional color yorkies

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

Just one step further toward destroying the breed as we know it. Brag... go ahead, no one can stop you. But those who you wish most to impress will never give you the credit you so desire unless you keep the fact that the dog is a carrier a secret. You're in a catch 22 aren't you???

How is adding color destroying the breed? Is there any other difference between them? Sorry I haven't read the whole thread so maybe I am missing some huge contrast between the two if I am please let me know as I find this debate confusing.

Are you saying that if you saw two yorkies in the ring with the same quality coat, topline, ear set, etc, the only difference being that one is blue and tan and the other is a parti yorkie, the parti yorkie is destroying the breed because simply of color?

Why are so many afraid of change? If it weren't for change the yorkie would still be a much larger dog with a wiry coat. I sure am glad they had the courage and determination to change the yorkie that made it what it is today.

I really don't see the big deal in adding color. No one is asking to change all yorkies into partis, just to add a color variation class to the existing blue and tan.
Why I sure don't see the cocker spaniel breed ruined or being tainted by adding color variations. So what makes the color of the yorkie so different?

Shouldn't we be more worried about the concerning health problems in the breed and concentrate our efforts on that?

I see it as it is only a matter of time before the parti yorkie is accepted in the show ring. Granted it might not be in the next 10 years or who really knows but it is bound to happen. Parti's aren't going away and why should they?

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

he is a doll for sure

Thanks !!!

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

Just one step further toward destroying the breed as we know it. Brag... go ahead, no one can stop you. But those who you wish most to impress will never give you the credit you so desire unless you keep the fact that the dog is a carrier a secret. You're in a catch 22 aren't you???

I will brag to those who care about me and my dogs. I have no desire to impress you or anyone else who will get no joy from my accomplishments. Believe it not...there are some on this board who would be happy for me if I finished a dog...be it a carrier or not.

[peachbongi]

I think if you take the time to study the history of the Yorkshire Terrier you will not be able to deny that a lot of years and hard work went into obtaining the yorkie we all know and love today.

If we start to allow parti colors as part of the standard how will it change the yorkie? The answer is simple. We don't know. It would only be answered by doing it and taking that risk. That is what it would be a risk to allow the parti color gene in because it opens the door to so many other genes to follow. That is where it gets dangerous. What else is behind that gene other than color? Who can answer that? That is the real question.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by peachbongi

I think if you take the time to study the history of the Yorkshire Terrier you will not be able to deny that a lot of years and hard work went into obtaining the yorkie we all know and love today.

If we start to allow parti colors as part of the standard how will it change the yorkie? The answer is simple. We don't know. It would only be answered by doing it and taking that risk. That is what it would be a risk to allow the parti color gene in because it opens the door to so many other genes to follow. That is where it gets dangerous. What else is behind that gene other than color? Who can answer that? That is the real question.

It hasn't "changed" the American Cocker. The blacks, buffs, black and tan's, roans, chocolates, chocolate and tans...are ALL doing quite well in the show ring, despite the fact they have allowed a parti variety. The fanciers of each color are having NO problem breeding quality specimens of each variety...even though it is a fact...that a parti color is also a variety in their standard.

Seriously..is there any other reason for not allowing a parti variety other then bigotry of the color?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

It hasn't "changed" the American Cocker. The blacks, buffs, black and tan's, roans, chocolates, chocolate and tans...are ALL doing quite well in the show ring, despite the fact they have allowed a parti variety. The fanciers of each color are having NO problem breeding quality specimens of each variety...even though it is a fact...that a parti color is also a variety in their standard.

Seriously..is there any other reason for not allowing a parti variety other then bigotry of the color?

One reason might be that they have never been proven to be 100% pure Yorkie.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Thank you. I came across video of Forrest the other day and cried as I remembered him. I can't help but think his life would, could and should have been completely different, if only .......if only the breeder would have known what she was doing, if only the breeder would have questioned his new owners....if only the owners would have been more dedicated....if only.....

Like you I certainly believe in breeding to the standard but I also know what dedicated parti breeders should want and it's no different than what dedicated, reputable, traditional color yorkie breeders should want.

The purpose for showing dogs is to have your breeding stock evaluated. But my impression is, today's dog show is much more of a beauty pageant, than it is an honest evaluation of the dogs physical attributes and/or faults. When you are aware a judge has put up a dog with bad knees, over looks obvious dye jobs, etc., it opens your eyes to what is truly going on.....And.....showing is okay, if that is what a breeder chooses to do to validate their breeding....but, I don't think it's necessary to show, to be a good, reputable, dedicated breeder........Tammy has proven that to me!

Forrest's story was so heartbreaking, but then he came to live with you and he received the love he was so deserving of. You gave Forrest what he was waiting his whole life for, love and happiness, and I am grateful to you for that. I cried when I read Forrest's story, but you became his hero. Your sweet Louis became his best friend, and Forrest was so well taken care of and given so much love, not only by you and your husband, but your fur babies too. It broke my heart when he passed away. You're right. His breeder should have done more to breed for health. His previous owners should have taken better care of him. He was such a sweet boy, but you came along and he felt so much love and happiness because of you and your husband. I am very sorry for your loss of Forrest. I love the statue your husband made of him. When I heard that Tammy finally found a home for Cadbury, I was overjoyed when I heard it was you. If I could have, I would have loved to have one of Livi's babies because I have such respect for her as a breeder and as a person. That's why I'm upset by things I am reading on this thread. I believe that Tammy has all the qualities that are essential in life. She cares about others, she is ethical, kind, honest, and she has integrity. She also loves her babies and will do everything possible to ensure that they will be healthy, and happy. She goes to great lengths to find her babies loving homes. There are other people besides Tammy who breed Partis and Biewers who are also trying to better their breeding. I know they aren't breeding to the standard because of color, but with the exception of color, they are trying to breed as close to the standard as possible.

I do understand when people feel that we should only breed to the standard. They have a right to their beliefs. But who is to say that the people who are breeding Biewers and Partis don't have a right to also try to better their dogs? I honestly don't want to see the Yorkies as we know it change, but I don't think I'm hearing from the Parti Breeders that they are looking to destroy the gene pool of the traditional Yorkies. That very well can happen if both groups of people are at odds with one another, but I doubt it would happen if the Partis were able to be shown in separate venues in the AKC.

I honestly don't know enough about this, so I may be misinformed. I definitely don't like people getting hurt here. I don't want people's motives for breeding different colored Yorkies denigrated. I have always been a champion for the underdog. It seems that the Parti breeders have to prove themselves so much more than traditional breeders. Maybe some people are choosing to breed these dogs to capitalize on the higher prices that can be had for these dogs right now, and I believe that is wrong. I don't think I'm hearing that from a lot of people here, though. I see many people here who like the tri-colored dog who would like a separate venue to show their dogs, just like other breeds have color variations been shown. That may not happen, but I don't blame them for trying. If we look at things historically (I'm not talking about the dog world that I know little about), a lot of change begins with one person making a stand. One person can make a difference. I know for me Tammy made the difference. I watched Tammy with Livi and her babies, and I saw such devotion and love given to her dogs. She was so in love with those babies, and I knew that she was going to drill each one of those parents to make sure that they were going to love and care for her babies the way she would have herself. When I hear people say that Parti breeders are unethical and just breeding for the money, I cringe. Because of Tammy I know that is not true.

This really is all very confusing for me. I absolutely love the color of the traditional Yorkies. I love the blue steel that reflects light. I see so many gorgeous Yorkies in the show ring and also here on Yorkie Talk . I love all Yorkies, but there are great variations within the breed. I wish more Yorkies were bred to standard. I had 4 Yorkies, all from the same breeder. I got my first one from her 30 years ago and when she passed away 17 years ago, I got three more within a one year period of time. All three were mostly within the standard, but they had short muzzles and big wide set eyes. I didn't know when I got them having a baby doll face was frowned upon. I loved the way my babies looked. I'm seeing more and more dogs in the show ring that have short muzzles. As much as I still love the look of my babies, I know what’s most important to me when I get a baby will be health and temperament first. I have a certain look that I have in mind, but I think finding the right breeder who tests for health and temperament will be far more important than the looks. I absolutely love traditional Yorkies most of all, but I also think some of the Biewer Yorkies (and they are Yorkies to me) and Parti Yorkies are also beautiful. I just wish that everyone could work together and stop all of the arguing so that we can have the traditional Yorkie as we know it and for those who want the tri-color Yorkie, that we can have a venue so that they can show them also. I think if the groups stop fighting, maybe progress can be made.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by lisaly

Forrest's story was so heartbreaking, but then he came to live with you and he received the love he was so deserving of. You gave Forrest what he was waiting his whole life for, love and happiness, and I am grateful to you for that. I cried when I read Forrest's story, but you became his hero. Your sweet Louis became his best friend, and Forrest was so well taken care of and given so much love, not only by you and your husband, but your fur babies too. It broke my heart when he passed away. You're right. His breeder should have done more to breed for health. His previous owners should have taken better care of him. He was such a sweet boy, but you came along and he felt so much love and happiness because of you and your husband. I am very sorry for your loss of Forrest. I love the statue your husband made of him. When I heard that Tammy finally found a home for Cadbury, I was overjoyed when I heard it was you. If I could have, I would have loved to have one of Livi's babies because I have such respect for her as a breeder and as a person. That's why I'm upset by things I am reading on this thread. I believe that Tammy has all the qualities that are essential in life. She cares about others, she is ethical, kind, honest, and she has integrity. She also loves her babies and will do everything possible to ensure that they will be healthy, and happy. She goes to great lengths to find her babies loving homes. There are other people besides Tammy who breed Partis and Biewers who are also trying to better their breeding. I know they aren't breeding to the standard because of color, but with the exception of color, they are trying to breed as close to the standard as possible.

I do understand when people feel that we should only breed to the standard. They have a right to their beliefs. But who is to say that the people who are breeding Biewers and Partis don't have a right to also try to better their dogs? I honestly don't want to see the Yorkies as we know it change, but I don't think I'm hearing from the Parti Breeders that they are looking to destroy the gene pool of the traditional Yorkies. That very well can happen if both groups of people are at odds with one another, but I doubt it would happen if the Partis were able to be shown in separate venues in the AKC.

I honestly don't know enough about this, so I may be misinformed. I definitely don't like people getting hurt here. I don't want people's motives for breeding different colored Yorkies denigrated. I have always been a champion for the underdog. It seems that the Parti breeders have to prove themselves so much more than traditional breeders. Maybe some people are choosing to breed these dogs to capitalize on the higher prices that can be had for these dogs right now, and I believe that is wrong. I don't think I'm hearing that from a lot of people here, though. I see many people here who like the tri-colored dog who would like a separate venue to show their dogs, just like other breeds have color variations been shown. That may not happen, but I don't blame them for trying. If we look at things historically (I'm not talking about the dog world that I know little about), a lot of change begins with one person making a stand. One person can make a difference. I know for me Tammy made the difference. I watched Tammy with Livi and her babies, and I saw such devotion and love given to her dogs. She was so in love with those babies, and I knew that she was going to drill each one of those parents to make sure that they were going to love and care for her babies the way she would have herself. When I hear people say that Parti breeders are unethical and just breeding for the money, I cringe. Because of Tammy I know that is not true.

This really is all very confusing for me. I absolutely love the color of the traditional Yorkies. I love the blue steel that reflects light. I see so many gorgeous Yorkies in the show ring and also here on Yorkie Talk . I love all Yorkies, but there are great variations within the breed. I wish more Yorkies were bred to standard. I had 4 Yorkies, all from the same breeder. I got my first one from her 30 years ago and when she passed away 17 years ago, I got three more within a one year period of time. All three were mostly within the standard, but they had short muzzles and big wide set eyes. I didn't know when I got them having a baby doll face was frowned upon. I loved the way my babies looked. I'm seeing more and more dogs in the show ring that have short muzzles. As much as I still love the look of my babies, I know what’s most important to me when I get a baby will be health and temperament first. I have a certain look that I have in mind, but I think finding the right breeder who tests for health and temperament will be far more important than the looks. I absolutely love traditional Yorkies most of all, but I also think some of the Biewer Yorkies (and they are Yorkies to me) and Parti Yorkies are also beautiful. I just wish that everyone could work together and stop all of the arguing so that we can have the traditional Yorkie as we know it and for those who want the tri-color Yorkie, that we can have a venue so that they can show them also. I think if the groups stop fighting, maybe progress can be made.

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[jencar98]

Originally Posted by peachbongi

I think if you take the time to study the history of the Yorkshire Terrier you will not be able to deny that a lot of years and hard work went into obtaining the yorkie we all know and love today.

If we start to allow parti colors as part of the standard how will it change the yorkie? The answer is simple. We don't know. It would only be answered by doing it and taking that risk. That is what it would be a risk to allow the parti color gene in because it opens the door to so many other genes to follow. That is where it gets dangerous. What else is behind that gene other than color? Who can answer that? That is the real question.

I disagree with because we don't know how it will change the yorkie, the parts shouldn't be bred . If that logic were applied to all things unknown, we would still be living in caves.

As to what horrible genes and dangers lie behind that color??? Since partis and biewers have been bred for a number of years now, I believe any surprises or hidden dangers would have been exposed at this point.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by lisaly

Forrest's story was so heartbreaking, but then he came to live with you and he received the love he was so deserving of. You gave Forrest what he was waiting his whole life for, love and happiness, and I am grateful to you for that. I cried when I read Forrest's story, but you became his hero. Your sweet Louis became his best friend, and Forrest was so well taken care of and given so much love, not only by you and your husband, but your fur babies too. It broke my heart when he passed away. You're right. His breeder should have done more to breed for health. His previous owners should have taken better care of him. He was such a sweet boy, but you came along and he felt so much love and happiness because of you and your husband. I am very sorry for your loss of Forrest. I love the statue your husband made of him. When I heard that Tammy finally found a home for Cadbury, I was overjoyed when I heard it was you. If I could have, I would have loved to have one of Livi's babies because I have such respect for her as a breeder and as a person. That's why I'm upset by things I am reading on this thread. I believe that Tammy has all the qualities that are essential in life. She cares about others, she is ethical, kind, honest, and she has integrity. She also loves her babies and will do everything possible to ensure that they will be healthy, and happy. She goes to great lengths to find her babies loving homes. There are other people besides Tammy who breed Partis and Biewers who are also trying to better their breeding. I know they aren't breeding to the standard because of color, but with the exception of color, they are trying to breed as close to the standard as possible.

I do understand when people feel that we should only breed to the standard. They have a right to their beliefs. But who is to say that the people who are breeding Biewers and Partis don't have a right to also try to better their dogs? I honestly don't want to see the Yorkies as we know it change, but I don't think I'm hearing from the Parti Breeders that they are looking to destroy the gene pool of the traditional Yorkies. That very well can happen if both groups of people are at odds with one another, but I doubt it would happen if the Partis were able to be shown in separate venues in the AKC.

I honestly don't know enough about this, so I may be misinformed. I definitely don't like people getting hurt here. I don't want people's motives for breeding different colored Yorkies denigrated. I have always been a champion for the underdog. It seems that the Parti breeders have to prove themselves so much more than traditional breeders. Maybe some people are choosing to breed these dogs to capitalize on the higher prices that can be had for these dogs right now, and I believe that is wrong. I don't think I'm hearing that from a lot of people here, though. I see many people here who like the tri-colored dog who would like a separate venue to show their dogs, just like other breeds have color variations been shown. That may not happen, but I don't blame them for trying. If we look at things historically (I'm not talking about the dog world that I know little about), a lot of change begins with one person making a stand. One person can make a difference. I know for me Tammy made the difference. I watched Tammy with Livi and her babies, and I saw such devotion and love given to her dogs. She was so in love with those babies, and I knew that she was going to drill each one of those parents to make sure that they were going to love and care for her babies the way she would have herself. When I hear people say that Parti breeders are unethical and just breeding for the money, I cringe. Because of Tammy I know that is not true.

This really is all very confusing for me. I absolutely love the color of the traditional Yorkies. I love the blue steel that reflects light. I see so many gorgeous Yorkies in the show ring and also here on Yorkie Talk . I love all Yorkies, but there are great variations within the breed. I wish more Yorkies were bred to standard. I had 4 Yorkies, all from the same breeder. I got my first one from her 30 years ago and when she passed away 17 years ago, I got three more within a one year period of time. All three were mostly within the standard, but they had short muzzles and big wide set eyes. I didn't know when I got them having a baby doll face was frowned upon. I loved the way my babies looked. I'm seeing more and more dogs in the show ring that have short muzzles. As much as I still love the look of my babies, I know what’s most important to me when I get a baby will be health and temperament first. I have a certain look that I have in mind, but I think finding the right breeder who tests for health and temperament will be far more important than the looks. I absolutely love traditional Yorkies most of all, but I also think some of the Biewer Yorkies (and they are Yorkies to me) and Parti Yorkies are also beautiful. I just wish that everyone could work together and stop all of the arguing so that we can have the traditional Yorkie as we know it and for those who want the tri-color Yorkie, that we can have a venue so that they can show them also. I think if the groups stop fighting, maybe progress can be made.

We are going to make Tammy cry with all of this praise....well-deserved praise!

Again....thank you....for such a beautifully worded and thoughtful post, and I am in 100% agreement with every thing you've written. Forrest taught us many lessons here, watching he and Louis together we experienced lessons in acceptance, love, trust and loyalty most people could use.

Before Livi's puppies, I hadn't ever really known Tammy. It was so evident how she cared for these babies, they weren't just puppies for her but an extension of her life. Each post I would read drew me closer to her and although I didn't post within those threads, I read each day and followed. When Tammy cried for Livi and these pups, I cried, when things got better and Tammy was so happy, I shared her joy! I knew in my heart just exactly of Tammy's character....even though it is the internet and you don't really know people, there was something about her that was different and different in such a remarkable way. I can't say that others breeders don't love their pups as much as Tammy does, but I can say it's not as evident to me.

I agree all of this bickering is such a shame. Since I've yet to read a valid reason for not accepting partis/biewer in the AKC show ring, I'm left to think the reason is simply because they don't want partis/biewer there. Then I have to think, why do they not want to include them, what are they afraid of.....the unknown? Or, heaven forbid....a parti/biewer might actually win at a AKC show? Are the afraid of the competition?

[Woogie Man]

This argument could go on forever. It's like a dog chasing its tail. No one knows what would happen if he actually caught it.

What I see lately with this argument is that it's getting more strident. (Some) parti breeders are coming on offering 'proof' of the parti's legitimacy when no real proof is possible. DNA only proves parentage and Mars testing is only to discern what breeds are present in a mixed breed dog. It's all a moot point, really, since variations have not been allowed for many years. The recent recognition by AKC can't be seen as proof either. AKC is just a registry that has shown itself to be creative in building revenue (witness their association with millers) and Parti registration is just another source of revenue. It doesn't constitute proof or legitimacy to the partis.

The historical references don't hold any weight in my mind either. So what if this or that trait is present in a Yorkshire terrier. There are many traits still being expressed in these dogs that are not to the breed standard. They are all true historical traits in the breed but don't fit the standard so shouldn't be bred for. Why have a standard at all if all random traits are given the blessing of the parent club? The basis for the parti argument is the same as could be made for oversize, flop ear, wire coat, roach back or off colors of any type. if you sanction these traits, all you're left with over time is some generic terrier type dog.....a terrier stew. The standard for any breed is written to weed out traits and produce an identifiable 'breed'.

I think what gets the hackles up of purists (and this is JMO) is the things being said of late. We hear "we're not going away so get used to it", "what are you afraid of", "you're a bunch of hypocrites", "we'll breed partis back to standard dogs and put carriers in the ring" and on and on. Not exactly the way to get things done and why should anyone be surprised at the response to that? These statements do bring into question just how well understood is the genetics of breeding and is there much thought given to the betterment of the breed.

I KNOW there are sincere devoted parti breeders. That isn't the point. The point is what could this do to a breed that is already in trouble. I don't think you can just brush off the criticisms as some of the strongest ones comes from those with many many years of devotion to the breed. Can you assume they are wrong until you have chalked up an equal number of years of experience, study and hard work? I can't say I have that many years but I do see the sense in preserving a standard.

Since it's been a very long time that a variety class has been added, I think the whole thing is mostly an exercise in egos and all this arguing serves no purpose. I do think if parti breeders want to continue, and do care about preserving the Yorkshire Terrier, that they will only breed parti to parti. If they did that, it would keep the lines separated and would at least maintain the status quo. To repeat myself from an earlier post, "east is east and west is west, and never the twain shall meet".

I hope we can stop all this arguing and nip all these bad feelings brewing in the bud. This serves no purpose as we all know by now each other's feelings. I do wish that anyone that's breeding off standard dogs of any type, whether by convenience or design, would ask themselves whether or not thieir breeding contributes to the betterment of the breed.

[bjh]

Jim, well said.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by lisaly

Forrest's story was so heartbreaking, but then he came to live with you and he received the love he was so deserving of. You gave Forrest what he was waiting his whole life for, love and happiness, and I am grateful to you for that. I cried when I read Forrest's story, but you became his hero. Your sweet Louis became his best friend, and Forrest was so well taken care of and given so much love, not only by you and your husband, but your fur babies too. It broke my heart when he passed away. You're right. His breeder should have done more to breed for health. His previous owners should have taken better care of him. He was such a sweet boy, but you came along and he felt so much love and happiness because of you and your husband. I am very sorry for your loss of Forrest. I love the statue your husband made of him. When I heard that Tammy finally found a home for Cadbury, I was overjoyed when I heard it was you. If I could have, I would have loved to have one of Livi's babies because I have such respect for her as a breeder and as a person. That's why I'm upset by things I am reading on this thread. I believe that Tammy has all the qualities that are essential in life. She cares about others, she is ethical, kind, honest, and she has integrity. She also loves her babies and will do everything possible to ensure that they will be healthy, and happy. She goes to great lengths to find her babies loving homes. There are other people besides Tammy who breed Partis and Biewers who are also trying to better their breeding. I know they aren't breeding to the standard because of color, but with the exception of color, they are trying to breed as close to the standard as possible.

I do understand when people feel that we should only breed to the standard. They have a right to their beliefs. But who is to say that the people who are breeding Biewers and Partis don't have a right to also try to better their dogs? I honestly don't want to see the Yorkies as we know it change, but I don't think I'm hearing from the Parti Breeders that they are looking to destroy the gene pool of the traditional Yorkies. That very well can happen if both groups of people are at odds with one another, but I doubt it would happen if the Partis were able to be shown in separate venues in the AKC.

I honestly don't know enough about this, so I may be misinformed. I definitely don't like people getting hurt here. I don't want people's motives for breeding different colored Yorkies denigrated. I have always been a champion for the underdog. It seems that the Parti breeders have to prove themselves so much more than traditional breeders. Maybe some people are choosing to breed these dogs to capitalize on the higher prices that can be had for these dogs right now, and I believe that is wrong. I don't think I'm hearing that from a lot of people here, though. I see many people here who like the tri-colored dog who would like a separate venue to show their dogs, just like other breeds have color variations been shown. That may not happen, but I don't blame them for trying. If we look at things historically (I'm not talking about the dog world that I know little about), a lot of change begins with one person making a stand. One person can make a difference. I know for me Tammy made the difference. I watched Tammy with Livi and her babies, and I saw such devotion and love given to her dogs. She was so in love with those babies, and I knew that she was going to drill each one of those parents to make sure that they were going to love and care for her babies the way she would have herself. When I hear people say that Parti breeders are unethical and just breeding for the money, I cringe. Because of Tammy I know that is not true.

This really is all very confusing for me. I absolutely love the color of the traditional Yorkies. I love the blue steel that reflects light. I see so many gorgeous Yorkies in the show ring and also here on Yorkie Talk . I love all Yorkies, but there are great variations within the breed. I wish more Yorkies were bred to standard. I had 4 Yorkies, all from the same breeder. I got my first one from her 30 years ago and when she passed away 17 years ago, I got three more within a one year period of time. All three were mostly within the standard, but they had short muzzles and big wide set eyes. I didn't know when I got them having a baby doll face was frowned upon. I loved the way my babies looked. I'm seeing more and more dogs in the show ring that have short muzzles. As much as I still love the look of my babies, I know what’s most important to me when I get a baby will be health and temperament first. I have a certain look that I have in mind, but I think finding the right breeder who tests for health and temperament will be far more important than the looks. I absolutely love traditional Yorkies most of all, but I also think some of the Biewer Yorkies (and they are Yorkies to me) and Parti Yorkies are also beautiful. I just wish that everyone could work together and stop all of the arguing so that we can have the traditional Yorkie as we know it and for those who want the tri-color Yorkie, that we can have a venue so that they can show them also. I think if the groups stop fighting, maybe progress can be made.

There is only one standard. We only have one, no variations.

Because somebody acts like they care it does not make them honorable.
Breeding designer dogs is not helping any breed. It is being done for profit, self fulfillment and other reasons that are not beneficial to the yorkshire terrier.


We have a national club that works with regional clubs. Everyone IS working together. The designer dog people are people that do not see eye to eye. Each of them have unique stories about a "history" of the kind that they are selling.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by lisaly

Forrest's story was so heartbreaking, but then he came to live with you and he received the love he was so deserving of. You gave Forrest what he was waiting his whole life for, love and happiness, and I am grateful to you for that. I cried when I read Forrest's story, but you became his hero. Your sweet Louis became his best friend, and Forrest was so well taken care of and given so much love, not only by you and your husband, but your fur babies too. It broke my heart when he passed away. You're right. His breeder should have done more to breed for health. His previous owners should have taken better care of him. He was such a sweet boy, but you came along and he felt so much love and happiness because of you and your husband. I am very sorry for your loss of Forrest. I love the statue your husband made of him. When I heard that Tammy finally found a home for Cadbury, I was overjoyed when I heard it was you. If I could have, I would have loved to have one of Livi's babies because I have such respect for her as a breeder and as a person. That's why I'm upset by things I am reading on this thread. I believe that Tammy has all the qualities that are essential in life. She cares about others, she is ethical, kind, honest, and she has integrity. She also loves her babies and will do everything possible to ensure that they will be healthy, and happy. She goes to great lengths to find her babies loving homes. There are other people besides Tammy who breed Partis and Biewers who are also trying to better their breeding. I know they aren't breeding to the standard because of color, but with the exception of color, they are trying to breed as close to the standard as possible.

I do understand when people feel that we should only breed to the standard. They have a right to their beliefs. But who is to say that the people who are breeding Biewers and Partis don't have a right to also try to better their dogs? I honestly don't want to see the Yorkies as we know it change, but I don't think I'm hearing from the Parti Breeders that they are looking to destroy the gene pool of the traditional Yorkies. That very well can happen if both groups of people are at odds with one another, but I doubt it would happen if the Partis were able to be shown in separate venues in the AKC.

I honestly don't know enough about this, so I may be misinformed. I definitely don't like people getting hurt here. I don't want people's motives for breeding different colored Yorkies denigrated. I have always been a champion for the underdog. It seems that the Parti breeders have to prove themselves so much more than traditional breeders. Maybe some people are choosing to breed these dogs to capitalize on the higher prices that can be had for these dogs right now, and I believe that is wrong. I don't think I'm hearing that from a lot of people here, though. I see many people here who like the tri-colored dog who would like a separate venue to show their dogs, just like other breeds have color variations been shown. That may not happen, but I don't blame them for trying. If we look at things historically (I'm not talking about the dog world that I know little about), a lot of change begins with one person making a stand. One person can make a difference. I know for me Tammy made the difference. I watched Tammy with Livi and her babies, and I saw such devotion and love given to her dogs. She was so in love with those babies, and I knew that she was going to drill each one of those parents to make sure that they were going to love and care for her babies the way she would have herself. When I hear people say that Parti breeders are unethical and just breeding for the money, I cringe. Because of Tammy I know that is not true.

This really is all very confusing for me. I absolutely love the color of the traditional Yorkies. I love the blue steel that reflects light. I see so many gorgeous Yorkies in the show ring and also here on Yorkie Talk . I love all Yorkies, but there are great variations within the breed. I wish more Yorkies were bred to standard. I had 4 Yorkies, all from the same breeder. I got my first one from her 30 years ago and when she passed away 17 years ago, I got three more within a one year period of time. All three were mostly within the standard, but they had short muzzles and big wide set eyes. I didn't know when I got them having a baby doll face was frowned upon. I loved the way my babies looked. I'm seeing more and more dogs in the show ring that have short muzzles. As much as I still love the look of my babies, I know what’s most important to me when I get a baby will be health and temperament first. I have a certain look that I have in mind, but I think finding the right breeder who tests for health and temperament will be far more important than the looks. I absolutely love traditional Yorkies most of all, but I also think some of the Biewer Yorkies (and they are Yorkies to me) and Parti Yorkies are also beautiful. I just wish that everyone could work together and stop all of the arguing so that we can have the traditional Yorkie as we know it and for those who want the tri-color Yorkie, that we can have a venue so that they can show them also. I think if the groups stop fighting, maybe progress can be made.

There is only one standard. We only have one, no variations.

Because somebody acts like they care it does not make them honorable.
Breeding designer dogs is not helping any breed. It is being done for profit, self fulfillment and other reasons that are not beneficial to the yorkshire terrier.


We have a national club that works with regional clubs. Everyone IS working together. The designer dog people are people that do not see eye to eye. Each of them have unique stories about a "history" of the kind that they are selling.