Parti Color? YTCA?

[evab]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Evab, you have posted links to the same books written in the 1800's and early 1900's on your anti parti site, that you now say I'm "bullying" by referencing to them in my own post? So which is it, do you want people to read these books or do you not want people to read them? Why post the links on your site, if you are going to discount and discredit what they say here?

(Hi, Let me begin by firstly correcting you, my site is not an anti-parti site, it is a site where I have endeavoured to explain the history of the true Tan dog with the blue saddle a pure bred Yorkshire terrier, no dear I do not accuse you of bullying, the term bulling (no y) in the UK has a different meaning, perhaps the term "talk up, talk down" would be simpler to understand.) However, if the cap fits, this is the definition of bullying:
constantly criticised and subjected to destructive criticism (often euphemistically called constructive criticism, which is an oxymoron) - explanations and proof of achievement are ridiculed, overruled, dismissed or ignored
forever subject to nit-picking and trivial fault-finding (the triviality is the giveaway)
undermined, especially in front of others; false concerns are raised, or doubts are expressed over a person's performance or standard of work - however, the doubts lack substantive and quantifiable evidence, for they are only the bully's unreliable opinion and are for control and their own agenda.
(Why would I ask people to go to a link and discount what is written, but for one to understand what is written, one must fully understand what the writer is saying. There having been so many enthusiastic writers of this period 1800's discussing many different dog breeds, some linking to others it is easy for a reader to become confused, veer off track, so the researcher must quantify, and be non judgemental without prejudice and to seek the truth, not what one wants to find written within those books as clear authority and indeed justification that a white dog with a black saddle has ever been in the ancestry of a pure bred English Yorkshire Terrier, and now has come to the fore front of that dog)

You say that your countrymen didn't cull dogs or throw dogs/pups off bridges (drowning them), but the same books you've posted, say differently. Doing a quick word search on 3 of the 4 book links on your site, it brought up 7 references to destroying or drowning pups, some based on being an incorrect color.
(exactly my earlier point, again you assume it was the Yorkshire breeder in the UK that did this, and indeed it would seem even after 140 years we still do this today, umm we kill or our white little dogs, do you not see how unsubstantiated this is)

I also think it's interesting that the KC kennel club, registers steel blue dogs with no tan or gold markings ... dogs this color, would be an automatic DQ in the YTCA's eyes, since they are solid colored and lack a saddle. More often than not, solid blue yorkies have health risks associated with their color if they are blue born and this color should be highly discouraged and not promoted. (There are many dogs even bred to true standard with health issues, throughout the world. This is inherrant of bad breeding and bad breeders)(As I am not a vet I cannot tell you if solid blue Yorkies have more health risks then any other badly bred dog of any colour and I have not seen evidence that this is so)

Science and a better understanding of how recessive genes work, has changed since the 1800's when the YT standard was written. If the early genes from the foundation dogs, were still not being passed on in today's dogs, then we'd never see black and gold adults or "solid" steel blue yorkies but these colors still appear today (just like parti, gold and chocolate colors do).

Sorry, my reply is in your original post too above:
(Your knowledge of genes and the passing of a colour which has never been recognised in the last 100+ years to be a true colour for a Yorkie, would only lead a person to believe there has indeed been an introduction of a colour (white) in recent years into the modern Yorkie. However, the colours you discuss here were indeed in the ancestry of the Yorkie with the English Black & Tan, which has been written in breed books on this dog)(To constantly refer to a Maltese as being the hidden gene which has miraculously appeared after years and years of breeding true to breed conformation colours lacks foundation. What seems missing here is the fact that once a standard has been established, for 100+ years there comes along a nice little almost all white dog with a black saddle, looking like a Shid-Tzu with a Yorkie head, an all white, all brown, all black- does not meet conformation. What is the point therefore in having a breed standard for any dog if people are just going to assume "Hey lets make all the colours of the rainbow and call them a pure bred true Yorkshire, why don't we just stop registering our dogs with a registry and register with any Tom, Dick or Harry Club, like they have done in Germany with the Biewer and that way no one will be able to tell what we put in our dogs to get those colours")A little long winded, but debate is open.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Canes have been allowed to show in AKC confirmation events since June of this year. I've only a few showing in NAKC this year.

American Kennel Club - AKC Welcomes the Cane Corso, Icelandic Sheepdog and Leonberger

Cool. I thought they could not be in the conformation. Nice news. I am sure there are also color standards for the corso, or are they allowing white all over the body?

[evab]

I cannot see why any responsible breeder would want to send frozen sperm over to the UK or any other country for that matter, to have it popped into a nice pure bred little traditional Yorkie, in the hope of getting a nice little white dog with a black saddle.

a) Where will these poor little fellas end up? On the Dog Lovers registry, Pet Lovers registry, two un recognised registries, where puppy mill BYB's register there poor little ill bred dogs, who live their lives out in cages breeding litter after litter, who can't even walk after 6 years of continuous breeding. We have lots of unwanted little Yorkie sitting miserably in pounds, unwanted and unloved.
b) In the hope of getting them registered with the UKKC, that will never happen. You need to show both Sire and Dam pedigrees, before pups can be registered in this Country. What are they going to say, Oh sorry the dog lives in the States, just the sperm lives here in the UK. Nop that won't work, perhaps they could lie and try to pass it on to another UK dogs pedigree and bingo we have Tri's, then bingo next litter we have Parti, nop we don't register parti's. Oh well perhaps we will say they are blue & tan, for a few years and then bang! Hay presto, there will be soo many white dogs with back saddles, they will be forced to recognise the parti colour.

Well isn't that what happened in the states. We will just have to wait and see, but I might take a guess the UKKc would revoke a persons pedigree should that ever be found to be the case, as Fraud.

We already have nice little white cross Yorkie in the UK, they are called Yorktese, Morkie, Yorkstie, Teady bears, etc etc etc, they sit in dog shelters too, waiting for a loving home. Havn't we got enough non standard dogs, unloved, uncared for, exploited as "Rare", only difference in the UK, a person can be sued for selling a dog as something it is not.

Whatever, happened to responsible breeding!

[Elle]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Cool. I thought they could not be in the conformation. Nice news. I am sure there are also color standards for the corso, or are they allowing white all over the body?

No you can't. Frankly, they wouldn't look like the same breed. Maybe a white dobie is more your style sir? Chesty P wouldn't approve of a white bulldog either. Would he Steve?

[shodanusmc]

I know, and believe in the standard as it is writting. Not into white Dobes, and we both agree with Lt Gen Puller on the Bulldog.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Cool. I thought they could not be in the conformation. Nice news. I am sure there are also color standards for the corso, or are they allowing white all over the body?

Color
Acceptable colors are black, lighter and darker shades of gray, lighter and darker shades of fawn, and red. Brindling is allowed on all of these colors. Solid fawn and red, including lighter and darker shades, have a black or gray mask. The mask does not go beyond the eyes. There may be a white patch on the chest, throat, chin, backs of the pasterns, and on the toes.
Disqualification: Any color with tan pattern markings as seen in black-and-tan breeds.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Color
Acceptable colors are black, lighter and darker shades of gray, lighter and darker shades of fawn, and red. Brindling is allowed on all of these colors. Solid fawn and red, including lighter and darker shades, have a black or gray mask. The mask does not go beyond the eyes. There may be a white patch on the chest, throat, chin, backs of the pasterns, and on the toes.
Disqualification: Any color with tan pattern markings as seen in black-and-tan breeds.

That's all I needede to know. Carlo, pack your bags, we are hitting the show circuit. Brindle

He is neutered, that that disqualify the big guy? If so, he will get over it, and in his heart know he is a true corso and a winner regardless.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by evab

I cannot see why any responsible breeder would want to send frozen sperm over to the UK or any other country for that matter, to have it popped into a nice pure bred little traditional Yorkie, in the hope of getting a nice little white dog with a black saddle.

a) Where will these poor little fellas end up? On the Dog Lovers registry, Pet Lovers registry, two un recognised registries, where puppy mill BYB's register there poor little ill bred dogs, who live their lives out in cages breeding litter after litter, who can't even walk after 6 years of continuous breeding. We have lots of unwanted little Yorkie sitting miserably in pounds, unwanted and unloved.
b) In the hope of getting them registered with the UKKC, that will never happen. You need to show both Sire and Dam pedigrees, before pups can be registered in this Country. What are they going to say, Oh sorry the dog lives in the States, just the sperm lives here in the UK. Nop that won't work, perhaps they could lie and try to pass it on to another UK dogs pedigree and bingo we have Tri's, then bingo next litter we have Parti, nop we don't register parti's. Oh well perhaps we will say they are blue & tan, for a few years and then bang! Hay presto, there will be soo many white dogs with back saddles, they will be forced to recognise the parti colour.

Well isn't that what happened in the states. We will just have to wait and see, but I might take a guess the UKKc would revoke a persons pedigree should that ever be found to be the case, as Fraud.

We already have nice little white cross Yorkie in the UK, they are called Yorktese, Morkie, Yorkstie, Teady bears, etc etc etc, they sit in dog shelters too, waiting for a loving home. Havn't we got enough non standard dogs, unloved, uncared for, exploited as "Rare", only difference in the UK, a person can be sued for selling a dog as something it is not.

Whatever, happened to responsible breeding!

Maybe some are wanting pure breed AKC Parti Yorkshire Terrier sperm to produce more Pure bred Parti Yorkshire Terrier dogs.

I am a little confused as to why you yourself on your bandwagon of pure breds, when you wanted and didn't you buy a mixed bred BTCA Biewer ?
You say you have all those little mixes just sitting in the UK shelters that look just like them.
So, WHY didn't you get one of those out of the shelter if you believe there is no difference ???
Are you not yourself exploiting a "Rare" dog if there is not many of them in the UK ?

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

That's all I needede to know. Carlo, pack your bags, we are hitting the show circuit. Brindle

He is neutered, that that disqualify the big guy? If so, he will get over it, and in his heart know he is a true corso and a winner regardless.

You could always buy him a set of those fake ones

Neuticles.com

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

You could always buy him a set of those fake ones

Neuticles.com

All guys that have been married almost 40 years could also use a set!

I am afraid Carlo's show time has past. He is enjoying life playing 2nd fiddle to Maxine.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

All guys that have been married almost 40 years could also use a set!

I am afraid Carlo's show time has past. He is enjoying life playing 2nd fiddle to Maxine.

It wouldn't do them any good- they're only for show

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

It wouldn't do them any good- they're only for show

And that would be just fine for the majority! All show, no go!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Color
Acceptable colors are black, lighter and darker shades of gray, lighter and darker shades of fawn, and red. Brindling is allowed on all of these colors. Solid fawn and red, including lighter and darker shades, have a black or gray mask. The mask does not go beyond the eyes. There may be a white patch on the chest, throat, chin, backs of the pasterns, and on the toes.
Disqualification: Any color with tan pattern markings as seen in black-and-tan breeds.

I think this thread is about Parti Yorkies not Cane Corso. Feel free to make a thread about showing the Cane corso

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I think this thread is about Parti Yorkies not Cane Corso. Feel free to make a thread about showing the Cane corso

Leave her alone. I asked the question, she was kind enough to answer. If you have a problem, address it to me.

You going to jeep beating this like a rented mule? It is not going to change. You, are not hoing to change the Torkie Breed Standard. Start breeding to standard, and keep a Parti for pet.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Leave her alone. I asked the question, she was kind enough to answer. If you have a problem, address it to me.

You going to jeep beating this like a rented mule? It is not going to change. You, are not hoing to change the Torkie Breed Standard. Start breeding to standard, and keep a Parti for pet.

Perhaps a little too much wine tonight?
I am not "jeeping" anything, and certainly dont plan on "hoing" the "Torkie" Standard.
Where in this thread have I even asked or said to change the standard?
My parti yorkies are my pets and yes I am passionate about them when people come on Yt and put them down.
AS i said feel free to start your own Cane corso thread.