Parti Color? YTCA?

[evab]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Or maybe it was the Maltese who introduced the white genes into our American dogs when the breed began in the late 1800's? Maltese are mentioned in many, many early books written in the late 1800's and early 1900's as being in the Yorkie's heritage.

Even the KC kennel club says that dogs like the Maltese were used in the makeup of the Yorkshire terrier.
The Kennel Club-Yorkshire Terrier

You're not implying that a Nikkos owned Westie is the reason for partis to appear in the 1990's are you?

Ummm, I was simply trying to clear the mis-conception that a Scotch Terrier is akin to Scottish terriers, classification, this has wrongly been described on many internet breeders sites.
I have no idea how Nikko's got her dogs to be a nice little chappie of White with a Black saddle on it's back, but believe they do fetch big dollars in the states, much more then her little traditionals.
I am quite aware of the UK KC site thanks, use it all the time here in the UK. It is a registry dear, not a breed club. They are open to deceipt and a pedigree of only as good as it's breeder.
To continually bully about books written in the 1800's by sporting men in the STOCK-KEEPER, Dalzel,Walsh nee Stonehenge, is futile as to your proving how a Tan Dog with a Blue Saddle, suddenly became after 140 years of breeding......... a White dog with a Black saddle. We do not have these dogs in the originating country, we do not cull our dogs or throw them off bridges. We have looked over our dogs for 140 years, proteced their ancestry and their statues as a pure bred dog. I believe we exported many a champion to the states, what happened in that country with AKC registerings, well we can see here on this Forum only too plainly. Why would a breeder dedicated to this breed, not wish to breed to the standards set out in the breed clubs conformation. Why are these white little dogs, advertised as Rare and sold for big dollars? I have a nice little cross bred rescue s**t-Tzu, but I wouldn't wish to breed her and try to pass her off as a pure bred.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by evab

Ummm, I was simply trying to clear the mis-conception that a Scotch Terrier is akin to Scottish terriers, classification, this has wrongly been described on many internet breeders sites.
I have no idea how Nikko's got her dogs to be a nice little chappie of White with a Black saddle on it's back, but believe they do fetch big dollars in the states, much more then her little traditionals.
I am quite aware of the UK KC site thanks, use it all the time here in the UK. It is a registry dear, not a breed club. They are open to deceipt and a pedigree of only as good as it's breeder.
To continually bully about books written in the 1800's by sporting men in the STOCK-KEEPER, Dalzel,Walsh nee Stonehenge, is futile as to your proving how a Tan Dog with a Blue Saddle, suddenly became after 140 years of breeding......... a White dog with a Black saddle. We do not have these dogs in the originating country, we do not cull our dogs or throw them off bridges. We have looked over our dogs for 140 years, proteced their ancestry and their statues as a pure bred dog. I believe we exported many a champion to the states, what happened in that country with AKC registerings, well we can see here on this Forum only too plainly. Why would a breeder dedicated to this breed, not wish to breed to the standards set out in the breed clubs conformation. Why are these white little dogs, advertised as Rare and sold for big dollars? I have a nice little cross bred rescue s**t-Tzu, but I wouldn't wish to breed her and try to pass her off as a pure bred.

Yes, it is a registry and not a club. When I bought my first Yorkies in 1984 and started learning more about the breed etc I was shocked to find that some breeders (not only Yorkie breeders) would have a litter of puppies and would register them with a different sire or dam that they owned because that one would have a better pedigree - more champions in the line. So, the registry is only as good as the breeders that register their dogs.

They advertise and sell them for big dollars because there are too many uneducated (as far as dogs go) people willing to buy them

BTW I am originally from the other side of the Pennines - Lancashire

[evab]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Unfortunately, this is only a part of an article written years ago, but it looks like parti color has been seen in the Skye terrier.

"Skye Terrier Club Officers Quit In Dispute on Parti-Color Coats" 1966

Skye Terrier Club Officers Quit In Dispute on Parti-Color Coats - Article - NYTimes.com

Oh dear, oh dear, wow you have been digging deep gloat, gloat, not the poor Skye now! Yet again I can see the AKC acting as a breed club, they seem to forget their status is only a registry and at this rate, their reasoning for accepting a parti colour onto their registry would seem much the same as the poor American Yorkie, bullying, greed and little breed knowledge, and are they going to say the Skye is an American dog too. How much money do the AKC get off breeders registering their dogs, wow lets all register with them....I have little doubt in years to come they will rule the world too.
I'm sorry I've said this before, but I'll hang myself again, we must keep our English dogs home, we must keep them pure. The Skye has only a handful of new litters being born in the UK, I truly hope they do not end up like their cousins the Paisley/Clydesdale.EXTINCT

[evab]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Yes, it is a registry and not a club. When I bought my first Yorkies in 1984 and started learning more about the breed etc I was shocked to find that some breeders (not only Yorkie breeders) would have a litter of puppies and would register them with a different sire or dam that they owned because that one would have a better pedigree - more champions in the line. So, the registry is only as good as the breeders that register their dogs.

They advertise and sell them for big dollars because there are too many uneducated (as far as dogs go) people willing to buy them

BTW I am originally from the other side of the Pennines - Lancashire

Aaaah a Lancashire lass...... You have some good stock in your breeding lines then Chick! All we can do is be true to ourselves, keep the traditional Yorkie lines true, you can pop over lass, we can pop to Chris Crowther's place just up the road from me and get you a nice little Crufts Champion winner 2009 pup, to jiggy up the USA stocks. Lancashire Hot pot for tea, yummy x

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by evab

Aaaah a Lancashire lass...... You have some good stock in your breeding lines then Chick! All we can do is be true to ourselves, keep the traditional Yorkie lines true, you can pop over lass, we can pop to Chris Crowther's place just up the road from me and get you a nice little Crufts Champion winner 2009 pup, to jiggy up the USA stocks. Lancashire Hot pot for tea, yummy x

I think we have all seen the detrimental effect some of the
English breeders and Crufts has had on dogs.
Along with killing healthy puppies.

Pedigree dogs part 1
YouTube - Pedigree dogs part 1

Yes I’d say that is something to really be proud of, sorry but I'll stay with american born stock.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by evab

Oh dear, oh dear, wow you have been digging deep gloat, gloat, not the poor Skye now! Yet again I can see the AKC acting as a breed club, they seem to forget their status is only a registry and at this rate, their reasoning for accepting a parti colour onto their registry would seem much the same as the poor American Yorkie, bullying, greed and little breed knowledge, and are they going to say the Skye is an American dog too. How much money do the AKC get off breeders registering their dogs, wow lets all register with them....I have little doubt in years to come they will rule the world too.
I'm sorry I've said this before, but I'll hang myself again, we must keep our English dogs home, we must keep them pure. The Skye has only a handful of new litters being born in the UK, I truly hope they do not end up like their cousins the Paisley/Clydesdale.EXTINCT

I do love the was you keep cutting down the AKC when your club the BTCA is trying so hard to get their mixed Biewers recognized...

You and your clubs only agenda is to try and prove all Biewers and Partis
are mixed breeds.
Sorry but this will not happen.

[evab]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I think we have all seen the detrimental effect some of the
English breeders and Crufts has had on dogs.
Along with killing healthy puppies.

Pedigree dogs part 1
YouTube - Pedigree dogs part 1

Yes I’d say that is something to really be proud of, sorry but I'll stay with american born stock.

We can say that for American breeders too dear, but that's a little off topic. I wouldn't stand by any registry who allows ill practices to go on, I have a few saved copies of the most awful atrocities carried out in America by AKC registered breeders too, but prefer not to play tit for tat childish games. There are good and bad breeders every where in the world. But I will say this dear, your American stock were originally British stock, it is a fact that the purebred Yorkshire Terrier originated in England, I believe it is the "parti" to be of American design.

[evab]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I do love the was you keep cutting down the AKC when your club the BTCA is trying so hard to get their mixed Biewers recognized...

You and your clubs only agenda is to try and prove all Biewers and Partis
are mixed breeds.
Sorry but this will not happen.

I am sorry, but the BTCA is not MY club alas I am only a proud member, it's a free country and like yourself a PYTC member, I will join as many clubs as I like. I am assuming you have some pull with the AKC and the UKKC as to whether the Biewer Terrier will become recognised then as you speak with such authority on the subject. The AKC are as good or as bad as the people who use them to register their dogs. Their work in the Health & Wellbeing of all dogs must be paramount in their dealings. Having spoken to their Chairman at Crufts, they have a difficult job, as we all do to remain true honest people. "A pedigree is only as good as it's breeder".

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by evab

Aaaah a Lancashire lass...... You have some good stock in your breeding lines then Chick! All we can do is be true to ourselves, keep the traditional Yorkie lines true, you can pop over lass, we can pop to Chris Crowther's place just up the road from me and get you a nice little Crufts Champion winner 2009 pup, to jiggy up the USA stocks. Lancashire Hot pot for tea, yummy x

Oh Candytops Cosmopolitan was a beautiful little Yorkie. Sure wish I was still in England, I would run up the M62 to Yorkshire and meet up with you.

haven't had Lancashire Hot Pot in a long time, I miss the Black Puddings.

[evab]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Oh Candytops Cosmopolitan was a beautiful little Yorkie. Sure wish I was still in England, I would run up the M62 to Yorkshire and meet up with you.

haven't had Lancashire Hot Pot in a long time, I miss the Black Puddings.

Yes Cath has nice dogs, a knowledgeable lady, willing to share her expertise. I was very tempted only two days ago to have a nice little chappie offa her! She is Chairman of the MTYC.
If ever your over, pm me, we can meet up and have a nice cuppa and a slice of Aunt Sally's Victoria Sponge. I like Black pud, but prefer white puds from bonny Scotland yum.You surely can't miss the rain?

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by evab

Yes Cath has nice dogs, a knowledgeable lady, willing to share her expertise. I was very tempted only two days ago to have a nice little chappie offa her! She is Chairman of the MTYC.
If ever your over, pm me, we can meet up and have a nice cuppa and a slice of Aunt Sally's Victoria Sponge. I like Black pud, but prefer white puds from bonny Scotland yum.You surely can't miss the rain?

Think we'd better take this to PM's - hate to hijack the thread.
But I doubt I'll ever make it back to England now. Rain? LOL I am in Florida and it's hurricane season - rain every day!

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by evab

I am sorry, but the BTCA is not MY club alas I am only a proud member, it's a free country and like yourself a PYTC member, I will join as many clubs as I like. I am assuming you have some pull with the AKC and the UKKC as to whether the Biewer Terrier will become recognised then as you speak with such authority on the subject. The AKC are as good or as bad as the people who use them to register their dogs. Their work in the Health & Wellbeing of all dogs must be paramount in their dealings. Having spoken to their Chairman at Crufts, they have a difficult job, as we all do to remain true honest people. "A pedigree is only as good as it's breeder".

Isn't the Biewer Terrier Club United Kingdom a club you started ??
Like I said, everyone knows your agenda.

You state you don't have any Parti 's in the UK.
Have you gone to every single Yorkshire Terrier Breeder in the UK to check if they ever have tri colors pop in in their whelping boxes to confirm those facts ??
My guess would be that you haven't, so there for what you have is an opinion nothing more.

One think you are right about the dogs came from england and according to one of our most respected Yorskhire Terrier breeders so did the Parti gene.

[Breezeaway]

[evab]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Isn't the Biewer Terrier Club United Kingdom a club you started ??
Like I said, everyone knows your agenda.

You state you don't have any Parti 's in the UK.
Have you gone to every single Yorkshire Terrier Breeder in the UK to check if they ever have tri colors pop in in their whelping boxes to confirm those facts ??
My guess would be that you haven't, so there for what you have is an opinion nothing more.

One think you are right about the dogs came from england and according to one of our most respected Yorskhire Terrier breeders so did the Parti gene.

Thanks for the ad. Yorkielover2, and we know you have your agenda here also. I am a member of this site and as I am becomming tired of your mis-quotes, will be quick to my reply.
Tri colours we have: Blue, Steel Grey & Tan. You quess incorrect yet again. I have my opinion as so do you. Please let us all know who the most respected YT breeder is you speak of who has written evidence of parti genes in their dogs? Can't understand the last sentence.

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by evab

Oh dear, oh dear, wow you have been digging deep gloat, gloat, not the poor Skye now! Yet again I can see the AKC acting as a breed club, they seem to forget their status is only a registry and at this rate, their reasoning for accepting a parti colour onto their registry would seem much the same as the poor American Yorkie, bullying, greed and little breed knowledge, and are they going to say the Skye is an American dog too. How much money do the AKC get off breeders registering their dogs, wow lets all register with them....I have little doubt in years to come they will rule the world too.
I'm sorry I've said this before, but I'll hang myself again, we must keep our English dogs home, we must keep them pure. The Skye has only a handful of new litters being born in the UK, I truly hope they do not end up like their cousins the Paisley/Clydesdale.EXTINCT

You have made an excellent point regarding the purity of the English yorkies. As has been stated on this site, the parti breeders will continue to taint our American bloodlines with parti carriers. There may come a day when it will be very hard to find dogs in the U.S. who breed true. Your English bloodlines may save the genetically pure blue and gold dog.