Please help Emma find a forever home

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Bottom line, this is the RESCUE forum, you indicated that Emma needed to be OUT of your house immediately. That solution was offered to you at little or no cost to you AND you would recoop all the $$ that would result from the rehoming of her.

If she is in fact your dog, then you can spay her. If you choose to persue legal proceedings against the breeder, you will have to keep Emma until the proceedings are over because I would imagine that if you "win" the litigation you will have to return her intact to the seller and you would be refunded at least a portion of the original sales price.

yes, she has repeatedly said over and over how the dog was dumped and such other things. seems to have no feeling at all for this poor little ssad dog that is picking up on the hositily in this house. i am wondering if we can't call animal control and see that Emma is removed immediately from this situation. i think they would do it if presented with all these threads . This is my last post on it. Wylie's mom, I promise!!!! I cannot tolerate all the lies.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Okay, I can't say I completely what's going on here, but let's not be too quick to judge. It's still only been a few days since this whole thing started. Teiya still needs time to process everything.

First, let's imagine that you get a dog shipped to you. You paid $1100 but the dog is aggressive and doesn't appear to be the same dog pictured. The dog attacks your other dog and you incur $500 in vet costs.

At this point, I would be thinking about how to give the dog back and how to get my money back. I think there's emotionally a difference between spending money on a sick dog you've bonded with and a healthy dog that isn't a good fit in your household. Honestly, if I found myself out $1600 and saddled with the responsibility of finding this new dog a good home, I would be pretty ticked.

In the ksl ad, Emma appears to be represented accuractely. The ad notes that she will need to be in a household with no children or other dogs. Other people recommended that she be adopted, so I don't think there's a problem running a local add.

I can't say for sure obviously, but it still looks to me like Teiya is trying to weigh several different options at once. The spay decreases Emma's value by a few hundred at most, correct? Considering how much money Tieya is already out, I'd be surprised if that was a major factor. If she's getting legal advice not to spay, I can see why should would hold off for at least another few weeks while she works out what's best. Presumably Emma can be kept in a separate part of the house to prevent aggression problems. I just watched an episode of 'It's Me or The Dog' where Victoria helped a couple with a Jack Russell who wanted to kill the new dog.

Also, just to clarify a minor point, Teiya will need to drive the dog out, then drive herself back. A five hour drive is a ten hour round trip, a drive halfway is five.

For some reason, I feel like things are going to work out for Emma. Maybe not tomorrow, but I hope and believe that by the end of April, she'll be in her forever home.

Just my guess, of course!

Actually Amanda offered to drive half way there then Megansmomma offered to arrange all transportation so transportation shouldnt be an issue

[Carsons Mommy]

Originally Posted by Borinal

SURE.

Statements from Breeder do NOT match the timestamps on the picture.

Dog in pictures is CLEARLY not the dog received, and if it is of the dog at a MUCH EARLY date, it is STILL mis-represented.

The dogs weight, the conversations regarding the disposition of the dog.

PROVEN.

In FL also the burden of proof lies on the breeder, not the adoptive home.

The dog that we we're provided pictures of is not even the same color, is not even close to the same weight. She is not what we we're adopting.

Also, ironically enough on the further inspection of the vet records the dogs listed name is "Pixie" AND the dog DOES NOT answer to Emma.

You DO realize that pictures have incorrect timestamps on them ALL the time. The camera could have never had the date set or had the wrong date set. I know I have TONS of pictures with timestamps on them that are off by months or years. So that proves nothing.

[QuickSilver]

One thing I still don't understand though, is why she couldn't be placed in a rescue. Presumably you are suing for the costs you incurred, offset by any adoption fees or sale proceeds. I would guess you could also sue for the time and inconvenience of re-homing her. So why does it matter if she is sold or if she goes to a rescue?

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by speleogirl37

Even If I had no children/dogs I would not pay that much for a one year old dog that was aggressive. I don't think many people would.

Again, she never stated that her dog was OUTRIGHT AGGRESSIVE. She stated that she did not get along with ONE of her many females and never had issues with any other dogs.

Back to meeting the dog, ideal, yes. But when that is not an option you have to rely on the seemingly well respected breeder on YT, which in this case was horribly misplaced. If that makes it our fault then you seriously have some things to think about because its a pretty ignorant statement.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by chachi

Actually Amanda offered to drive half way there then Megansmomma offered to arrange all transportation so transportation shouldnt be an issue

Teiya and AmandaWash should still meet, shouldn't they? After all these questions about Emma's temperment, I would want the entire family to meet her before a foster, adoption, or sale.

[speleogirl37]

Originally Posted by Borinal

SURE.

Statements from Breeder do NOT match the timestamps on the picture.

Dog in pictures is CLEARLY not the dog received, and if it is of the dog at a MUCH EARLY date, it is STILL mis-represented.

The dogs weight, the conversations regarding the disposition of the dog.

PROVEN.

In FL also the burden of proof lies on the breeder, not the adoptive home.

The dog that we we're provided pictures of is not even the same color, is not even close to the same weight. She is not what we we're adopting.

Also, ironically enough on the further inspection of the vet records the dogs listed name is "Pixie" AND the dog DOES NOT answer to Emma.

Yes, how ironic If that was the case I would think that would have been mentioned long ago.

[manolos mom]

Amanda is not a complete stranger on YT and is willing to put up the money you are asking for in your ad, and her husband is a vet that will have Emma spayed. What are you waiting for?

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by Carsons Mommy

You DO realize that pictures have incorrect timestamps on them ALL the time. The camera could have never had the date set or had the wrong date set. I know I have TONS of pictures with timestamps on them that are off by months or years. So that proves nothing.

It's amusing that of all of the data presented there, the only thing that you had to say was regarding the integrity of the timestamps. The general and quite realistic consensus is that it's impossible for a dog to evolve/change THAT DRAMATICALLY in the period of less than a month.

[Carsons Mommy]

Originally Posted by Borinal

Again, she never stated that her dog was OUTRIGHT AGGRESSIVE. She stated that she did not get along with ONE of her many females and never had issues with any other dogs.

Back to meeting the dog, ideal, yes. But when that is not an option you have to rely on the seemingly well respected breeder on YT, which in this case was horribly misplaced. If that makes it our fault then you seriously have some things to think about because its a pretty ignorant statement.

You knew she was aggressive with another female so you knew there was a risk of her being aggressive with your female.

[Carsons Mommy]

Originally Posted by Borinal

It's amusing that of all of the data presented there, the only thing that you had to say was regarding the integrity of the timestamps. The general and quite realistic consensus is that it's impossible for a dog to evolve/change THAT DRAMATICALLY in the period of less than a month.

I've stated from the BEGINNING that it's the same dog. They have the EXACT same face.

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Amanda is not a complete stranger on YT and is willing to put up the money you are asking for in your ad, and her husband is a vet that will have Emma spayed. What are you waiting for?

Did I misread something? Because I was under the impression that she is willing to have her spayed. Not front the adoption fee that we are asking for her and have her spayed.

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by Borinal

Did I misread something? Because I was under the impression that she is willing to have her spayed. Not front the adoption fee that we are asking for her and have her spayed.

I just PM'd you asking what you would take for Emma to make this all stop.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Borinal

We had NO intention of breeding her. It has nothing to do with a perfect breeding dog. If you are selling it as breeding stock I would expect it to be a good representation of the breed. We stated in the ad that she needed to be spayed as a requirement. Did any of you even read that ad? The honesty is more than likely the reason that we have had ZERO interest in her so far.

Everyone here seriously needs to quit twisting things around.

We were not even shipped the dog that we adopted. Nothing else here is at question or matters. It's a general agreement that is NOT the dog in the pictures and the disposition is FAR from what was discussed. How hard is this to wrap your heads around? It would not be in any other situation. This was a business transaction we beat around the bush and make every life out to be so precious and etc but the bottom line is that if we can't accept the reality of things none of you would have a dog to begin with unless it was given to you. But this is all beside the point, we were scammed, emma's life is not in danger with us or the breeder so get over it. We are doing everything that we can to find her a good placement. Handing her over to rescue is not going to happen. I highly doubt that given the circumstance any of you would actually do it and you can't expect us to.

This may be part of the problem; you believe that because someone is selling a dog as breeding stock, you expect it to be a good representation of the breed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Dogs sold with breeding rights are usually the poorest representations! I always suggest that buyer only buy from breeders who offer limited registration, and that means no breeding rights. You are much more likely to get an excellent example of the breed.

[yorkie_mama22]

It seems to me that maybe this dog wasn't what you guys were looking for AND expecting. It sounds like you were looking for specific LOOKS and she doesn't meet them. I believe your wife mentioned she looks good for about an hour and then she looks like a mess. If I was getting a dog shipped to me I would ask for extra pictures not just a couple pictures and decide on that. Even if the dog was aggressive with one female dog at the house why would you take a chance to bring her home if YOU have a female dog. You guys should of discussed what would happen in the situation that the dog was aggressive with your other dog. It seems this was rushed and now the dog is aggressive in your home and DOESN'T look the way you wanted her to look so therefore you don't want here. And as someone else mentioned about what I wrote previously yes it is a different situation but it's ALL ABOUT MONEY HERE and I was saying REGARDLESS if I love my dog or not sometimes you gotta suck it up and you loose money! I didn't want to be out 1,000$ just like these people don't want to be out money but sometimes you don't have a choice. It's not FAIR to Emma to be locked up in a cage all day because she is aggressive while you guys FIND TIME TO DEAL WITH THE MATTER. This needs to be dealt with ASAP and if people are offering to help you with getting the dog to another home WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? your not going to get much more for an asking price for a 1.5 year old dog, 650 in my opinion is A STEAL. Perhaps before you go spending the amount of money you did on such a older dog you need to take better precautions. I feel for your family and that this dog didn't work out but I myself have a almost 3 year old child and if I had a dog that was jumping on tables as you say and being aggressive I would take a loss at money rather then a loss at LIFE or worse what will you do if your child gets hurt and your out thousands for medical bills.!!!!!