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concretegurl · 08-02-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Are you telling her how good she is when she is doing it right and giving her a treat?

I think the trainer she's working with uses older methodoloy as in tug verbal reward not give a treat to get them to go no tug...it;s two conflicting methods of training and where trainers differ a lot, some say dominance method others say reward method...now both methods commingle but the initial start is the difference.

My first trainer used the older methods it was haphazard with a pup mill rescue thankfully we consulted a behaviorist who connected us with a new trainer using newer methods of a different thinking,

Lovetodream88 · 08-02-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl

I think the trainer she's working with uses older methodoloy as in tug verbal reward not give a treat to get them to go no tug...it;s two conflicting methods of training and where trainers differ a lot, some say dominance method others say reward method...now both methods commingle but the initial start is the difference.

My first trainer used the older methods it was haphazard with a pup mill rescue thankfully we consulted a behaviorist who connected us with a new trainer using newer methods of a different thinking,

I took Callie to Petsmart when she was a puppy for training and they did positive reinforcement and Callie picked up on everything so fast still does when learning tricks I could never imagine trying to do it another way especially sense yorkies can sometimes be hard headed

. I prefer positive reinforcement.

yorkieusa · 08-02-2012, 05:11 PM

Tracheal Collapse
The Pet Health Care Library
What Is the Trachea Anyway?

Trachea is the scientific name for windpipe, the tube that connects the nose, mouth, and throat to the lungs. The trachea is meant to be a fairly rigid tube. It consists of muscle connecting a group of cartilage rings. The rings are actually not complete circles; they form a C with the open end of the C facing towards the animal's back. This muscle covering the open end of the C is called the tracheal membrane.

When the diaphragm (the flat muscle separating the abdomen from the chest cavity) flattens and the intercostal muscles (the muscles between the ribs) move, air is sucked into the lung. The muscles move the opposite direction and air is pushed out of the lung. The trachea serves as a pipeline bringing air into the chest. Part of the trachea is in the throat but it extends into the chest as well so that we can look at the trachea as having an intrathoracic portion and an extrathoracic portion.

Why Would a Trachea Collapse?

Tracheas collapse because the C cartilage flattens due to weak cartilage. When the C loses its curvature, the tracheal across the gets loose and floppy. Instead of being a tight muscle covering, the membrane moves as air passes through the trachea. When air rushes into the chest, the membrane of the intrathoracic trachea balloons outward and when air rushes out, the membrane of the intrathoracic trachea droops down into the C cartilage causing an occlusion. The tickling sensation of the membrane touching the tracheal lining generates coughing and if the obstruction interrupts breathing, the patient may become distressed. If the collapse is in the extrathoracic (also called the cervical) trachea, the opposite occurs; the collapse occurs during inhalation and the ballooning during exhalation.

Panting or rapid breathing for any reason makes the collapse and anxiety worse, which unfortunately tends to generate more rapid breathing and a vicious cycle of distress.

Making things worse still is the inflammation generated in the trachea. The collapse creates increased secretion and inflammation thus promoting yet more coughing which creates yet more inflammation. Ultimately the tissue of the trachea changes and loses its normal characteristics and the condition gets worse and worse.

The trachea may be collapsed along its entire length, only in the intrathoracic section, or only in the extrathoracic section. Most commonly the collapse is at its worse right where the trachea enters the chest.

What Animals Are Affected?

The victim is almost always a toy breed dog, especially poodles, Yorkshire terriers, and Pomeranians. The disease usually becomes problematic in middle age but can occur at any age. The cartilage defect that leads to the flattened C rings seems to be hereditary.

Many dogs with collapsed tracheas do not ever show symptoms, however, until a second problem complicates things. Factors that bring out symptoms might include:

Obesity
Anesthesia involving the placement of an endotracheal tube
Development of kennel cough or other respiratory infection
Increased respiratory irritants in the air (cigarette smoke, dust, etc.)
Heart enlargement (the heart can get so big that it presses on the trachea)

If a secondary factor such as one of those listed above should occur and make a previously incidental collapsed trachea a problem, often removal of the secondary factor (weight loss program, getting an air filter, etc.) may clear up the symptoms of the collapsed trachea.

Treatment

The following steps are often helpful in long-term management of the tracheal collapse patient:

If any of the above listed secondary problems are of concern, they must be addressed. This may mean that the owner gives up cigarettes or that the dog goes on a formal weight loss program or other treatment to resolve the exacerbating problem.

Dogs with collapsed tracheas become unable to efficiently clear infectious organisms from their lower respiratory tracts. Antibiotics may be needed to clear up infection.

Cough suppressants such as hydrocodone or torbutrol may be handy.
Corticosteroids such as prednisone and related hormones cut secretion of mucus effectively but are best used on a short term basis only due to side-effects potential. Long-term use may promote infection and weaken cartilage further.

Airway dilators such as theophylline or terbutaline are controversial as they may dilate lower airways but not the actual trachea. By dilating lower airways, however, the pressure in the chest during inhalation is not as great and the trachea may not collapse as greatly.

In a recent retrospective study of 100 dogs with collapsing trachea, 71% responded to medication and management of secondary factors (obesity, irritants in the air, etc.), 7% had disease so severe that they died within one month of diagnosis, 6% had severe additional disease problems, and the other 16% were felt to be candidates for surgical treatment.

Emergency

The patient's distress can reach a level so severe that the normally pink mucous membranes become bluish and collapse can result. When this occurs, tranquilization is helpful to relieve the anxiety that perpetuates the heavy breathing and coughing. Oxygen therapy and cough suppressants also help. If the patient reaches the point where distress seems extreme or if collapse results, treat this an emergency and rush the pet to emergency veterinary care.

Surgery?

If medical management does not produce satisfactory results, it is possible that surgery may be of benefit. Basically, a rigid prosthesis is placed and bonded around the trachea effectively creating a non-collapsible tube. This is largely effective as long as the portion of trachea that is collapsed is external to the chest. Should the intrathoracic trachea be involved, the surgery becomes far less successful, more expensive, and the prosthesis must be ordered according to the specific patient's measurements.

In all surgery cases, the younger the patient, the more successful the surgery is likely to be with success dropping off in patients over age 6 years. Severity of the collapse prior to surgery is not a tremendous factor in obtaining a successful outcome; improvement is reported in 75% to 85% of patients.

A new technique is being explored using a self-expanding stainless steel prosthesis. A study reporting results of 24 dogs receiving this treatment was published in January 2004. Of these dogs, 96% showed improvement after surgery. Two dogs died within the first week due to stent placement complications. One dog experienced some bleeding. After this 30% were reported to be completely free of symptoms, 61% showed marked improvement, and 4% continued to have symptoms. This appears to be a promising technique but has still only been used in a small number of patients.

Surgical therapy of tracheal collapse requires a surgery specialist. If one is not on staff or cannot be scheduled, referral can be arranged.

Is There Associated Liver Disease?

In the July/August issue of the Journal of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine, a group of researchers led by Natali B. Bauer pursued the common finding of enlarged liver in dogs with tracheal collapse. Her group looked at 26 dogs with tracheal collapse and compared liver function test results to 42 dogs without tracheal collapse. Ninety-two percent (92%) of dogs with tracheal collapse were found to have abnormal results. Dogs that received stent placement to assist their breathing showed improvement in these tests. It was concluded that oxygen deprivation from the collapse had resulted in significant liver disease in many tracheal collapse patients. It was further recommended that tracheal collapse patients have liver function tests evaluated as liver supportive medications may be helpful.

BBB's Maddy has a collapsed trachea

yorkietalkjilly · 08-02-2012, 05:50 PM

Sounds horrible. Thanks for the posting.

mimodok · 08-02-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Are you telling her how good she is when she is doing it right and giving her a treat?

Of course!

I should have mentioned that in my post. I say "let's go" and if she walks with me I say "yes" and give her a treat. Anytime I correct her, as soon as I see the behavior I want I tell her she's a good girl and often offer a treat.

Fancysmommy · 08-02-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mimodok

I think any harness that attaches at the center of the chest would work in the way I want. But I have yet to find one small enough

The place where I had Fancy groomed today sells harnesses that are step in and none of it goes around their chest and not the neck. I am going to buy one but after her grooming session, she was tired, so I thought I wouldn't pick on her too much. The size I'm posting is just the first one I came across, but they have them all the way down to either 6" or 8". I know we don't live by each other but I believe they ship. I'm sure you can find this somewhere else online, too. I hope it helps.

Choke Free Leather Faux Ostrich 11" Step in Harness - ShopPoshPooch.com

concretegurl · 08-02-2012, 07:55 PM

Have you considered clothing made my members here with a D ring on it?

Sheldonsmom · 08-03-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mimodok

Well I went ahead and ordered this:

Walk Your Dog With Love No-Pull Front Attachment Harness

I'm not bad at sewing myself. I'll just fold down the extra material and put in some stitches. When she gets bigger I'll undo the stitches so the harness returns to "factory settings."

Hi there, did you end up getting the walk your dog with love harness? Didi it work, Did you like it? I was considering this one but I can only get it online and would hate to have to pay for return shipping if it doesn't work.
Thanks!

mimodok · 08-03-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom

Hi there, did you end up getting the walk your dog with love harness? Didi it work, Did you like it? I was considering this one but I can only get it online and would hate to have to pay for return shipping if it doesn't work.
Thanks!

You can have mine if you want. I'd be happy to ship it to you if you just pay for the shipping and maybe part of the purchase price, if you're willing. It does work well. Mishka walked great with it and she didn't pull. Anytime she strayed from the straight path at my side, the harness would guide her back in. My obedience school trainer warned me that that type of harness may irritate the underarms over time, which is why I switched to the step-in one. Just send me a message if you want it!

Sheldonsmom · 08-03-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mimodok

You can have mine if you want. I'd be happy to ship it to you if you just pay for the shipping and maybe part of the purchase price, if you're willing. It does work well. Mishka walked great with it and she didn't pull. Anytime she strayed from the straight path at my side, the harness would guide her back in. My obedience school trainer warned me that that type of harness may irritate the underarms over time, which is why I switched to the step-in one. Just send me a message if you want it!

That is very sweet of you! Now I worry about that too. Ugh! What color is it and what size? Not sure if I want it yet. I'll have to do a little. Ore of research.
Thanks!

You mentioned you got a step in harness, which one and does it work for no pulling? Thanks again

mimodok · 08-03-2012, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom

That is very sweet of you! Now I worry about that too. Ugh! What color is it and what size? Not sure if I want it yet. I'll have to do a little. Ore of research.
Thanks!

You mentioned you got a step in harness, which one and does it work for no pulling? Thanks again

The WYDWL Harness is size 6-11 lbs and is black (the only color available for that size, the smallest). The girth comes as 13-16 inches. I modified mine so that is it smaller, with the smallest "setting" being 10 inches. I just pinched the material together, folded down the excess and sewed it in place. I made the stitches white so that it would be easy to pull them out when Mishka outgrew the smaller size. If you want to try it I can leave it the way I modified it, or I can pull my stitches out so that it goes back to "factory settings." I have attached a picture of the harness I have.

mimodok · 08-03-2012, 07:42 AM

I am now using the smallest harness I could find in my local stores. I bought this harness from Petsmart. I'm not sure if it's design helps with pulling or not. But Mishka is very responsive to training, and I just don't let her get away with pulling. I know that it can be very difficult to correct pulling in some dogs though and sometimes a special harness is necessary.

Lovetodream88 · 08-03-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mimodok

You can have mine if you want. I'd be happy to ship it to you if you just pay for the shipping and maybe part of the purchase price, if you're willing. It does work well. Mishka walked great with it and she didn't pull. Anytime she strayed from the straight path at my side, the harness would guide her back in. My obedience school trainer warned me that that type of harness may irritate the underarms over time, which is why I switched to the step-in one. Just send me a message if you want it!

All harnesses can irritate the underarm if left on all the time so can clothing as well.

Britster · 08-05-2012, 10:17 AM

For what it's worth, you can easily use positive reinforcement without treats.

Some dogs are toy motivated.

gracielove · 08-05-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Britster

For what it's worth, you can easily use positive reinforcement without treats.

Some dogs are toy motivated.

I agree with that. When Gracie was a puppy she was such a poor eater that I could not give her treats for training because I had to have her hungry at meal time so she would eat. Lots of praise and encouragement worked just as well. Now that she is grown and eating well she looks forward to her treat after grooming but mostly she does things because she is a ham.

08-02-2012, 05:11 PM	#33
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 21,173	This seems a good time to post this information Tracheal Collapse The Pet Health Care Library What Is the Trachea Anyway? Trachea is the scientific name for windpipe, the tube that connects the nose, mouth, and throat to the lungs. The trachea is meant to be a fairly rigid tube. It consists of muscle connecting a group of cartilage rings. The rings are actually not complete circles; they form a C with the open end of the C facing towards the animal's back. This muscle covering the open end of the C is called the tracheal membrane. When the diaphragm (the flat muscle separating the abdomen from the chest cavity) flattens and the intercostal muscles (the muscles between the ribs) move, air is sucked into the lung. The muscles move the opposite direction and air is pushed out of the lung. The trachea serves as a pipeline bringing air into the chest. Part of the trachea is in the throat but it extends into the chest as well so that we can look at the trachea as having an intrathoracic portion and an extrathoracic portion. Why Would a Trachea Collapse? Tracheas collapse because the C cartilage flattens due to weak cartilage. When the C loses its curvature, the tracheal across the gets loose and floppy. Instead of being a tight muscle covering, the membrane moves as air passes through the trachea. When air rushes into the chest, the membrane of the intrathoracic trachea balloons outward and when air rushes out, the membrane of the intrathoracic trachea droops down into the C cartilage causing an occlusion. The tickling sensation of the membrane touching the tracheal lining generates coughing and if the obstruction interrupts breathing, the patient may become distressed. If the collapse is in the extrathoracic (also called the cervical) trachea, the opposite occurs; the collapse occurs during inhalation and the ballooning during exhalation. Panting or rapid breathing for any reason makes the collapse and anxiety worse, which unfortunately tends to generate more rapid breathing and a vicious cycle of distress. Making things worse still is the inflammation generated in the trachea. The collapse creates increased secretion and inflammation thus promoting yet more coughing which creates yet more inflammation. Ultimately the tissue of the trachea changes and loses its normal characteristics and the condition gets worse and worse. The trachea may be collapsed along its entire length, only in the intrathoracic section, or only in the extrathoracic section. Most commonly the collapse is at its worse right where the trachea enters the chest. What Animals Are Affected? The victim is almost always a toy breed dog, especially poodles, Yorkshire terriers, and Pomeranians. The disease usually becomes problematic in middle age but can occur at any age. The cartilage defect that leads to the flattened C rings seems to be hereditary. Many dogs with collapsed tracheas do not ever show symptoms, however, until a second problem complicates things. Factors that bring out symptoms might include: Obesity Anesthesia involving the placement of an endotracheal tube Development of kennel cough or other respiratory infection Increased respiratory irritants in the air (cigarette smoke, dust, etc.) Heart enlargement (the heart can get so big that it presses on the trachea) If a secondary factor such as one of those listed above should occur and make a previously incidental collapsed trachea a problem, often removal of the secondary factor (weight loss program, getting an air filter, etc.) may clear up the symptoms of the collapsed trachea. Treatment The following steps are often helpful in long-term management of the tracheal collapse patient: If any of the above listed secondary problems are of concern, they must be addressed. This may mean that the owner gives up cigarettes or that the dog goes on a formal weight loss program or other treatment to resolve the exacerbating problem. Dogs with collapsed tracheas become unable to efficiently clear infectious organisms from their lower respiratory tracts. Antibiotics may be needed to clear up infection. Cough suppressants such as hydrocodone or torbutrol may be handy. Corticosteroids such as prednisone and related hormones cut secretion of mucus effectively but are best used on a short term basis only due to side-effects potential. Long-term use may promote infection and weaken cartilage further. Airway dilators such as theophylline or terbutaline are controversial as they may dilate lower airways but not the actual trachea. By dilating lower airways, however, the pressure in the chest during inhalation is not as great and the trachea may not collapse as greatly. In a recent retrospective study of 100 dogs with collapsing trachea, 71% responded to medication and management of secondary factors (obesity, irritants in the air, etc.), 7% had disease so severe that they died within one month of diagnosis, 6% had severe additional disease problems, and the other 16% were felt to be candidates for surgical treatment. Emergency The patient's distress can reach a level so severe that the normally pink mucous membranes become bluish and collapse can result. When this occurs, tranquilization is helpful to relieve the anxiety that perpetuates the heavy breathing and coughing. Oxygen therapy and cough suppressants also help. If the patient reaches the point where distress seems extreme or if collapse results, treat this an emergency and rush the pet to emergency veterinary care. Surgery? If medical management does not produce satisfactory results, it is possible that surgery may be of benefit. Basically, a rigid prosthesis is placed and bonded around the trachea effectively creating a non-collapsible tube. This is largely effective as long as the portion of trachea that is collapsed is external to the chest. Should the intrathoracic trachea be involved, the surgery becomes far less successful, more expensive, and the prosthesis must be ordered according to the specific patient's measurements. In all surgery cases, the younger the patient, the more successful the surgery is likely to be with success dropping off in patients over age 6 years. Severity of the collapse prior to surgery is not a tremendous factor in obtaining a successful outcome; improvement is reported in 75% to 85% of patients. A new technique is being explored using a self-expanding stainless steel prosthesis. A study reporting results of 24 dogs receiving this treatment was published in January 2004. Of these dogs, 96% showed improvement after surgery. Two dogs died within the first week due to stent placement complications. One dog experienced some bleeding. After this 30% were reported to be completely free of symptoms, 61% showed marked improvement, and 4% continued to have symptoms. This appears to be a promising technique but has still only been used in a small number of patients. Surgical therapy of tracheal collapse requires a surgery specialist. If one is not on staff or cannot be scheduled, referral can be arranged. Is There Associated Liver Disease? In the July/August issue of the Journal of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine, a group of researchers led by Natali B. Bauer pursued the common finding of enlarged liver in dogs with tracheal collapse. Her group looked at 26 dogs with tracheal collapse and compared liver function test results to 42 dogs without tracheal collapse. Ninety-two percent (92%) of dogs with tracheal collapse were found to have abnormal results. Dogs that received stent placement to assist their breathing showed improvement in these tests. It was concluded that oxygen deprivation from the collapse had resulted in significant liver disease in many tracheal collapse patients. It was further recommended that tracheal collapse patients have liver function tests evaluated as liver supportive medications may be helpful. BBB's Maddy has a collapsed trachea __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

08-02-2012, 05:50 PM	#34
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Sounds horrible. Thanks for the posting. __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

08-02-2012, 07:55 PM	#37
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08-05-2012, 10:17 AM	#44
Britster Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,815	For what it's worth, you can easily use positive reinforcement without treats. Some dogs are toy motivated. __________________ ~ Brit & Lights! Camera! Jackson! CGC ETD TKP ~ Follow Jackson on Instagram: https://instagram.com/jacksontheterrier

08-03-2012, 07:42 AM	#42
mimodok Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Wilmington, NC, US Posts: 99	I am now using the smallest harness I could find in my local stores. I bought this harness from Petsmart. I'm not sure if it's design helps with pulling or not. But Mishka is very responsive to training, and I just don't let her get away with pulling. I know that it can be very difficult to correct pulling in some dogs though and sometimes a special harness is necessary.