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Wylie's Mom · 09-11-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by laurenr

MARCEL'S MOMMY:
Great info here and thanks for the link, now for something totally off-topic. Can you please, please post some pics of the absolutely adorable Marcel Verdel Purcell?? This little guy is just my favorite YT little stud muffin, and I have done a search and come to the conclusion that you definitely need to show us more pics of him.... haven't seen one in ages.That little face and attitude never fails to make me smile.

By the way, I still laugh when I think of you returning home each day and calling for "Mr Marcel Verdel Purcell....!" I remember laughing months ago when the subject of his name came up and he was just this tiny little morsel of puppiness. Argh! You can see I just need a Marcel fix OK?

I think my Mango will simply fall head over heels when she sees him.

Oh, you brought big smiles to my face!!! Pics will be coming - I've been SO lazy and my camera zoom button is suddenly broken, so I'll do what I can w/ this darn camera! He still has the 'tude and we still call out "Marcel Verdel Purcell"....yes...still as if there might be some other Marcel in the house. Dorks.

Wylie's Mom · 09-11-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by diggy4

Okay so the calcium supplement can be the eggshells right? And when you say you give a good mulit, whats that? Do you mean mulit vitamin? I thin what is so hard for me is like I said I cook for my kids everyday, we are plain eaters no fish, seafood, game meat, nothing...chicken pig and cow is it. they love fresh veggies and are carb-a-holics. Both are athletes so the crabs are important.

So cooking for a fur kid is no different?? I feed them the basic food groups, use a multi vitamin, use calcium and thats it??? Is Missing link or force a multi?

Yep, the egg shells are for calcium. And I did mean a good multi-vitamin, sorry for being so muddy. Missing Link is mostly for EFAs (essential fatty acids). The multi I use, however, contains vits, minerals, EFAs, digestive enzymes and probiotics - so it's much easier than doing a bunch of separate supps. This is the one I like: http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/produc...at/999065.aspx

The weird thing about homecooking is it's not quite as easy as "the basic food groups", which is why I think people get turned off by it. There are a gazillion opinions - and then I think you have to decide where you land in the midst of all those opinions, that's the hard part. I'm of the belief that dogs don't need grains (they're just filler) and veggies, though somewhat beneficial, are debatable. I also think high protein is just fine, in fact better, as long as the dog isn't liver or kidney or otherwise compromised.

BUT, if you seriously wanted to go for it, I'd be willing to draw up a few recommendations for you - I'd probably want to put it in a word document or something you can print.

BTW, MARCELS POOS TURNED FIRM 1.5 DAYS AFTER BEING ON HIS NEW DIET...UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!! Plus, oddly, his poos don't really smell anymore...neither do Wylie's.

lara2913 · 09-11-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

BTW, MARCELS POOS TURNED FIRM 1.5 DAYS AFTER BEING ON HIS NEW DIET...UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!! Plus, oddly, his poos don't really smell anymore...neither do Wylie's.

Fantastic news, yay for Marcels poop!

And congrats on the non smelly poop, I think thats a sign of a very good diet, my guys poop doesen't smell either.

Wylie's Mom · 09-11-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lara2913

Fantastic news, yay for Marcels poop!

And congrats on the non smelly poop, I think thats a sign of a very good diet, my guys poop doesen't smell either.

Thank you!!!! And, I'm just now realizing the non-smelly poop as a good indicator for a healthy, absorbable diet, fascinating!

lara2913 · 09-11-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Thank you!!!! And, I'm just now realizing the non-smelly poop as a good indicator for a healthy, absorbable diet, fascinating!

Yep it makes sense as the smell of the poop is down to the undigested food in it. When they are on a very good diet that really suits them they should be able to digest almost all if not all of it.

laurenr · 09-11-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Oh, you brought big smiles to my face!!! Pics will be coming - I've been SO lazy and my camera zoom button is suddenly broken, so I'll do what I can w/ this darn camera! He still has the 'tude and we still call out "Marcel Verdel Purcell"....yes...still as if there might be some other Marcel in the house. Dorks.

Great news about the non-smelly poops! Marcel is just sooo teeny, there is simply no room in that li'l tummy for excess anything.... now about those pics...

tinav · 09-11-2007, 03:24 PM

Well we're off chicken and on flounder. Both my 2 peanuts had a tummy problem this week and I had been giving them boiled chicken and rice with some steamed veggies. After reading this they got flounder, steamed veggies and oops had to give them a little rice tonight for got to get potatoes (I don't usually eat them). Later I will give them some chopped up bananas with their yogurt.....boy are they loving this!!!!

Tina

Wylie's Mom · 09-12-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tinav

Well we're off chicken and on flounder. Both my 2 peanuts had a tummy problem this week and I had been giving them boiled chicken and rice with some steamed veggies. After reading this they got flounder, steamed veggies and oops had to give them a little rice tonight for got to get potatoes (I don't usually eat them). Later I will give them some chopped up bananas with their yogurt.....boy are they loving this!!!!

Cool! Let me if you notice the "non-smelly poo" phenomenon too, interesting....

Ellie May · 09-12-2007, 07:22 AM

This thread is very interesting. The part about chicken being bad makes no sense to me but I'm not a nutritionist. I am kind of in a spot with Ellie. Chicken is the meat she tolerates best (probably has to do with her liver). I don't want to be hurting her but she gets itchy from lamb, beef isn't good for suspected liver problems, fish has too many purines with UTI problems.... So I guess we stick with chicken. I'm not happy to know that it isn't the best thing for her though.

zoeybear · 09-12-2007, 07:31 AM

I have been giving Zoey boiled chicken and carrot twice a day... She has never had a single runny stool in her life. She has an iron stomach. I could change her food every day and still perfect firm poo every time. I am wondering about something for variety tho. Do I need to add fish or lamb? Do I need to be mixing it up, or can she do well on chicken alone. I sup with missing link and bone meal + pet tab vit everyday.

tinav · 09-12-2007, 07:49 AM

I am in NO WAY an expert on the nutrition subject but my gut tells me that a diet of just chicken and carrot is just not covering the nutritional pyramid for doggies. I think you did mention vitamins although I myself would prefer to have them get all their nutrients from their food.

But as I said before I am sure that others on the list know much more than I as far as what is acceptable and healthy. I myself generally feed my 2 a premium quality dry dog food for the most part and some times cook for them.

Hope I helped even a little.

Tina

Wylie's Mom · 09-12-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

This thread is very interesting. The part about chicken being bad makes no sense to me but I'm not a nutritionist.

Oh, I feel bad now! I don't think the nutritionist said chicken is BAD, per se, she said it is one of the MOST highly allergenic foods she ever sees in dogs. Which means, for some dogs, it's just great! But for allergic dogs - digestive issues, itchies, watery eyes etcetera.

That was also why she does not like chicken/rice for sick dogs - bc they're already compromised, and with chicken being allergenic, it might exacerbate the symptoms. Again, chicken NOT bad, just allergenic.

Does that help clear it up?

lara2913 · 09-12-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by zoeybear

I have been giving Zoey boiled chicken and carrot twice a day... She has never had a single runny stool in her life. She has an iron stomach. I could change her food every day and still perfect firm poo every time. I am wondering about something for variety tho. Do I need to add fish or lamb? Do I need to be mixing it up, or can she do well on chicken alone. I sup with missing link and bone meal + pet tab vit everyday.

As long as chicken suits Zoey and she does well on it then your fine giving it to her. I would try to vary it a bit though, just because different meats have different nutrients and vitamins so to get the best out of their food they should have some variety.

I feed raw and my yorkies get chicken, lamb, beef, turkey, fish and any other meat I can source for them. They even had goat once!

Ellie May · 09-12-2007, 08:12 AM

Yes, that clears it up.

sassypup · 09-12-2007, 08:26 AM

Oh I'm so glad to hear you found something for Marcel. Cross our fingers that this does it.

I am going to call/email her for a consultation for Zoe's diet, who too has major food allergies to basic things like peas and carrots which is found on EVERY food list. So maybe she can put together a well balanced menu for homecooking for us.

It drives us nuts (we feel so bad for her) to see her scratching all day long so I'm sure we completely understand you. Hollistic is the way to go!

I'm so glad you posted about this, thank you very much for her contact info.

09-12-2007, 07:22 AM	#39
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	This thread is very interesting. The part about chicken being bad makes no sense to me but I'm not a nutritionist. I am kind of in a spot with Ellie. Chicken is the meat she tolerates best (probably has to do with her liver). I don't want to be hurting her but she gets itchy from lamb, beef isn't good for suspected liver problems, fish has too many purines with UTI problems.... So I guess we stick with chicken. I'm not happy to know that it isn't the best thing for her though. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

09-12-2007, 07:31 AM	#40
zoeybear Misssing Baby Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,186	I have been giving Zoey boiled chicken and carrot twice a day... She has never had a single runny stool in her life. She has an iron stomach. I could change her food every day and still perfect firm poo every time. I am wondering about something for variety tho. Do I need to add fish or lamb? Do I need to be mixing it up, or can she do well on chicken alone. I sup with missing link and bone meal + pet tab vit everyday. __________________ We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare. And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever made. -M. Acklam

09-12-2007, 07:49 AM	#41
tinav Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,453	I am in NO WAY an expert on the nutrition subject but my gut tells me that a diet of just chicken and carrot is just not covering the nutritional pyramid for doggies. I think you did mention vitamins although I myself would prefer to have them get all their nutrients from their food. But as I said before I am sure that others on the list know much more than I as far as what is acceptable and healthy. I myself generally feed my 2 a premium quality dry dog food for the most part and some times cook for them. Hope I helped even a little. Tina Last edited by tinav; 09-12-2007 at 07:50 AM.

09-12-2007, 08:12 AM	#44
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Yes, that clears it up. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

09-11-2007, 03:24 PM	#37
tinav Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,453	Well we're off chicken and on flounder. Both my 2 peanuts had a tummy problem this week and I had been giving them boiled chicken and rice with some steamed veggies. After reading this they got flounder, steamed veggies and oops had to give them a little rice tonight for got to get potatoes (I don't usually eat them). Later I will give them some chopped up bananas with their yogurt.....boy are they loving this!!!! Tina

09-12-2007, 08:26 AM	#45
sassypup Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: S. Ca Posts: 1,905	Oh I'm so glad to hear you found something for Marcel. Cross our fingers that this does it. I am going to call/email her for a consultation for Zoe's diet, who too has major food allergies to basic things like peas and carrots which is found on EVERY food list. So maybe she can put together a well balanced menu for homecooking for us. It drives us nuts (we feel so bad for her) to see her scratching all day long so I'm sure we completely understand you. Hollistic is the way to go! I'm so glad you posted about this, thank you very much for her contact info.