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DooDoo · 05-23-2006, 05:58 PM

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chachi · 05-23-2006, 06:05 PM

I think if they are neutered the chances of them marking is lower. My male is neutered and he doesnt mark. Humping on the other hand is something you will have to contend with. It is common and all male dogs do it. My male has been neutered and he still humps a teddybear. Get a stuffed animal that is his size to hump and that will keep him from humping legs. Also get the stuffed animal when he is still young because they are usually very young when they start it. Good luck these are just the more trying things you go through when you own a male.

DazzlinYT · 05-24-2006, 03:51 PM

You still can get "in the mood" if you're "fixed" unfortunately, but sometimes humping has nothing to do with sex, it's completely a dominance thing. If males are neutered before they learn to lift their leg, chances are they never will, if no one else teaches them how.

kalina82 · 05-24-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Females are spayed and males are neutered. Only females go into heat. Neutering may or may not stop a male from marking. In a spay a females ovaries are removed. In a neuter a males testicles are removed. Breeders who spay or neuter the pups before the buyer gets them usually does it so they know the dog wont be bred. I dont think there are any health problems with spaying or neutering early

While i haven't learned of any life threatening problems with neutering earlier, there still are other problems that can occur. In some male dogs and cats, when they are neutered too soon their urethra doesn't have enough time to mature so they are prone to stones, UTIs, and blockages. There were alot of male cats and dogs that i helped 'unblock' and let me tell you it is not fun for anybody. As for females, some that were spayed early were shown to have incontinence later in life and more uti's when they are younger.

So the only problems i can think of really have to do with the urinary tract. If I think of any others i'll let you know

Yorki3Lover223 · 05-24-2006, 04:51 PM

i read the article and i thought it made me reconsider spaying my lil girl by 6 months =/ i have a year old male yorkie and i got him neutered by 6 months and he has no health problems, but did notice that he's a bit taller and he had a lot of growth spurts. im not sure if it was because of him being neutered, but i knew he was going to be bigger since he was a big pup. there were some things that i can relate to in the article. anyone else can relate?

i really want to prevent my lil girl from all the cancers that she can get if she doesn't get spayed, but if i do wait 14 months her chances of getting them are even higher!! ooOOoOOOooh man, im a worried mommy !!

kalina82 · 05-24-2006, 05:17 PM

For a female dog there is no reason at all to not have her spayed at 6 months is she is not going to bred. That article was one vet's opinion, and i personally found alot of it to conflict with and/or be just the opposite of what i've learned from vets i've worked with over the years. While it was interesting to read what he said i didn't agree with a good portion of it. THere are more health risks related to not having a dog fixed at 6 months then there are to having it fixed at 6 months, especially with females. With the first heat the chances of the dog getting breast cancer later in life goes up by 50%. the second heat brings it up another 20-25%.

I haven't seen conclusive evidence that dogs get "taller" when they are fixed younger then a year. In fact the dogs are usually smaller then unneutered dogs. Let's look at male dogs. Neutered males are generally smaller and more femine then unneutered males. Unneutered males get bigger and stockier and have a bigger/wider head and shoulders. With females i haven't seen as big of a size difference as there is in males.

romeos mommy · 05-24-2006, 06:01 PM

my yorkie is not neutered. he didn't leg lift until my mom's dog taught him. he's really good about not marking in the house. he humps stuffed animals never people. he's 3 yrs old and i'm not going to neuter him. i think it's cruel.

kalina82 · 05-25-2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by romeos mommy

i think it's cruel.

Usually when i hear this statement it comes from an owner talking about their male dog. It almost never comes from a female dog owner. I don't understand why people think its cruel for them to neuter a dog. Can you please explain your reasoning for this?

DazzlinYT · 05-25-2006, 04:41 AM

LOL I've heard this too only too often.. LOL I think it spawns from man's fragile ego.

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Originally Posted by kalina82

Usually when i hear this statement it comes from an owner talking about their male dog. It almost never comes from a female dog owner. I don't understand why people think its cruel for them to neuter a dog. Can you please explain your reasoning for this?

kalina82 · 05-25-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

LOL I've heard this too only too often.. LOL I think it spawns from man's fragile ego.

yeah usually what i hear is that the owner (most men) don't want to neuter their male dog because they don't want to take away his 'manhood'. the owner will feel like their dog isn't a male anymore or they think that the dog will feel less manly. That's not cruelty, that's the owner anthropomorphizing their dog.

myriamha · 05-26-2006, 07:51 AM

I'm a female and I own a male yorkie and for sure I wont get him fixed and yes that's cruel in my opinion . Plus I asked the opinion of one the top vet in Canada and he reassured me that a small size dog doesn't need to be neutered and chances od developpng cancers are small . I will be going to Paris France and will ask a vet over there for his opinion but im sure he will give me the same answer .

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

LOL I've heard this too only too often.. LOL I think it spawns from man's fragile ego.

kalina82 · 05-26-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by myriamha

I'm a female and I own a male yorkie and for sure I wont get him fixed and yes that's cruel in my opinion . Plus I asked the opinion of one the top vet in Canada and he reassured me that a small size dog doesn't need to be neutered and chances od developpng cancers are small . I will be going to Paris France and will ask a vet over there for his opinion but im sure he will give me the same answer .

that's fine, but what i'm more curious about is WHY people think its cruel. what are your reasons for thinking this way?

myriamha · 05-26-2006, 08:07 AM

It's cruel because you are depriving your dog from his natural behavior .
Would I go and remove my ovaries or breast to avoid getting cancer ? no . so its same thing for my dog .

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Originally Posted by kalina82

that's fine, but what i'm more curious about is WHY people think its cruel. what are your reasons for thinking this way?

DazzlinYT · 05-26-2006, 08:09 AM

I've got to ask that same question, HOW is it cruel? It's actually a pretty darn simple procedure, most of my boys have come back w/ surgical glue even rather than stitches, a few glances in that direction as a farewell I suppose and they go on back to normal life..LOL

Cruel to me (not saying you'd let this happen with him) is the thousands and thousands of unwanted, unloved, neglected, starving, abandoned puppies and dogs in this world that will only see their fate change in death. Had their "producers" (not calling them breeders!) only spayed/neutered their animals, they would never even be here to suffer...IMHO, THAT is cruel. It just takes one time to get loose, and meet up with some stray "pretty girl dog" to produce some pups that are going to have a terrible existance, had the male only been neutered (and the female spayed!) that would have never happened.

DazzlinYT · 05-26-2006, 08:48 AM

That's funny you should mention that! There are actually trials and research going on now (and some insurance companies are covering this!) for removing breast tissue from women who are highly at risk for breast cancer BEFORE they get it, and putting in nice big "falsies" instead. I am at high risk for Breast Cancer, so I have actually been following this, and considering it for myself in the future...so I am really totally not "getting" what you're saying...but everyone has the right to their opinion and disagreeing is only human.

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Originally Posted by myriamha

It's cruel because you are depriving your dog from his natural behavior .
Would I go and remove my ovaries or breast to avoid getting cancer ? no . so its same thing for my dog .

05-23-2006, 06:05 PM	#17
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I think if they are neutered the chances of them marking is lower. My male is neutered and he doesnt mark. Humping on the other hand is something you will have to contend with. It is common and all male dogs do it. My male has been neutered and he still humps a teddybear. Get a stuffed animal that is his size to hump and that will keep him from humping legs. Also get the stuffed animal when he is still young because they are usually very young when they start it. Good luck these are just the more trying things you go through when you own a male. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

05-24-2006, 03:51 PM	#18
DazzlinYT YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TN Posts: 462	You still can get "in the mood" if you're "fixed" unfortunately, but sometimes humping has nothing to do with sex, it's completely a dominance thing. If males are neutered before they learn to lift their leg, chances are they never will, if no one else teaches them how. __________________ Becki & The Dazzlin' Yorkies

05-26-2006, 08:09 AM	#29
DazzlinYT YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TN Posts: 462	I've got to ask that same question, HOW is it cruel? It's actually a pretty darn simple procedure, most of my boys have come back w/ surgical glue even rather than stitches, a few glances in that direction as a farewell I suppose and they go on back to normal life..LOL Cruel to me (not saying you'd let this happen with him) is the thousands and thousands of unwanted, unloved, neglected, starving, abandoned puppies and dogs in this world that will only see their fate change in death. Had their "producers" (not calling them breeders!) only spayed/neutered their animals, they would never even be here to suffer...IMHO, THAT is cruel. It just takes one time to get loose, and meet up with some stray "pretty girl dog" to produce some pups that are going to have a terrible existance, had the male only been neutered (and the female spayed!) that would have never happened. __________________ Becki & The Dazzlin' Yorkies

05-23-2006, 05:58 PM	#16
DooDoo Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: OC, CA Posts: 22	by the way, Barkatme, I checked out your website..... OMG! I've never seen so many cute doggie clothes. LOVE IT! & gotta buy some for my new baby boy! hee

05-24-2006, 04:51 PM	#20
Yorki3Lover223 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2006 Location: california Posts: 64	i read the article and i thought it made me reconsider spaying my lil girl by 6 months =/ i have a year old male yorkie and i got him neutered by 6 months and he has no health problems, but did notice that he's a bit taller and he had a lot of growth spurts. im not sure if it was because of him being neutered, but i knew he was going to be bigger since he was a big pup. there were some things that i can relate to in the article. anyone else can relate? i really want to prevent my lil girl from all the cancers that she can get if she doesn't get spayed, but if i do wait 14 months her chances of getting them are even higher!! ooOOoOOOooh man, im a worried mommy !!

05-24-2006, 05:17 PM	#21
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	For a female dog there is no reason at all to not have her spayed at 6 months is she is not going to bred. That article was one vet's opinion, and i personally found alot of it to conflict with and/or be just the opposite of what i've learned from vets i've worked with over the years. While it was interesting to read what he said i didn't agree with a good portion of it. THere are more health risks related to not having a dog fixed at 6 months then there are to having it fixed at 6 months, especially with females. With the first heat the chances of the dog getting breast cancer later in life goes up by 50%. the second heat brings it up another 20-25%. I haven't seen conclusive evidence that dogs get "taller" when they are fixed younger then a year. In fact the dogs are usually smaller then unneutered dogs. Let's look at male dogs. Neutered males are generally smaller and more femine then unneutered males. Unneutered males get bigger and stockier and have a bigger/wider head and shoulders. With females i haven't seen as big of a size difference as there is in males.

05-24-2006, 06:01 PM	#22
romeos mommy YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pennsauken , NJ Posts: 4,068	my yorkie is not neutered. he didn't leg lift until my mom's dog taught him. he's really good about not marking in the house. he humps stuffed animals never people. he's 3 yrs old and i'm not going to neuter him. i think it's cruel.