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yougetthesmiles · 07-27-2006, 07:24 PM

My parents feed there 9 yr old pug Little Ceasers and I have tried to warn them about his food, he is so picky cause they have spolied him rotten, most his diet is table scraps, they set hard food (beneful) and usually it just sits there. I wish they would ban these no good dog foods, but it's just like us eating at Mc Donalds or any fast food joint, it's not good for us and we know this but we still continue to eat junk food.

Amber_lv · 07-27-2006, 07:59 PM

Ok i'm gonna take a crack at this please everyone know i mean everything i say as useful not harmful... Royal Canine is 33% protein i have a bag of puppy33 right here i have two boy yorkies Peeka and Boo they are 11 weeks old When i fist got them the breeder had them on Authority i got them at 7 weeks well they ate that for a week and then stopped eating all together they wouldn't eat nutrical or anything so i went to the store and bought 5 diff brands of food they hated all but one the Royal Canine that is all they will eat now i did this because they were so little and i didn't want them to die on me from not eating and i know a lot of people say they will eat whatever if they get hungry enough but why risk it. Now i had a sales person for the food called BLUE it has a buffalo on it approach me in petsmart one day as i was looking for dog food she told me that the maker of blue owned a dog that got cancer because of the food and by products so he got together with a team of vets to produce this all natural healthy food and from what i read on the lable it seemed great. Now everyone has there own opinion on food and what works for thier dogs and i agree all dogs are diff. I just wanted to say i really like the royal canine because it is small for them to eat and they reallly seem to enjoy it. As for ceasers i only tried it once and they didn't like it but i did notice a huge diff in the texture compared to other brands it seemed very dry and then fatty on the top but if some dogs like it then they should eat it.Good luck with everyone and the food they are on i Respect everyone for thier great opinions on this matter Thank you!

Lila · 07-27-2006, 08:13 PM

I fed Kia Nutrience when she came here, as that was what she had been used to. I switched her to Royal Canin, due to the fact it was manufactured for Yorkies. After a while, she refused to eat the Royal Canin, yet she would eat other dogs' Pedigree. I then switched her to Solid Gold Wee Bits-there is no corn or by-products in it. I use a little canned (Natural Balance, or other high quality food) food in the evening-about one tablespoon with her 1/4 cup of kibble. She only gets the canned food once a day. For treats when training, we use RollOver or dehydrated chicken-again no by-products or corn fillers.
At times she eats little of her meal, due to hot, humid weather; I pick it up after twenty minutes and feed it to the cats, and feed a little less the next meal. In the winter, I make chicken soup on the woodstove, as it is going all the time; Kia gets that for supper, just as I do. She has no trouble maintaining her weight, (7.5 lbs), and has enough energy to walk four or five miles a day. She also keeps an eye on everything, and is always ready to help 'herd' the horses, or chase the cats from the gardens.

MickeyMyWDWDog · 07-27-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaspermom

I am on the hunt for wet Innova Evo! Thanks for making me do it!!

they have a website that tells you what stores carry it by you! Thats what my baby boy eats and loves it but i dont give it to him daily bc its not good for them

baby03 · 07-27-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RLC12345678

On this thread the amount of protein our yorkies should get is discussed:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...hlight=protein

Innova Evo is WAY too high in protein content for these little dogs. Dog foods with high protein are meant for outside dogs or dogs that have a lot of energy and get lots of exercise. I am not sure of the protein content in Royal Canine, but if it is over the recommended amount in the thread listed above, then it probably has too much protein.

On Ceasers, I have EXTREMELY picky eaters. I tried 6 or 7 dry dog foods before I found one they liked (which ended up being Chicken Soup). In the mornings I feed 1 tsp of wet food mixed with their dry food and leave dry food out the rest of the day. I fed Ceasers for about a week, mainly bc it was convenient to buy and it came in cute little packages

Then I read the ingredients on there and I would just rather my yorkies eat something more healthy. I mean, I have invested a lot of time and money in these little babies and I just want to give them the best thing for their health as possible. I switched my doggies to Blue Buffalo canned food. They absolutely LOVE it and it is ALL NATURAL! You can actually see the chunks of vegetables in there. AND the best part is, you can actually get it at PETsMART!!! YAY! If my picky eaters like it, I am sure ANY yorkie will like it.

Thank God For your post!!!!!!!! I have been feeding my 3 year old yorkie 1/2 a pack of the Cesars!!! During the day I leave canidae out so she and the puppy can eat whenever they are hungry. I give baby 1/2 of the Cesars in the mornings. I have never had a problem with her stools, eyes, skin or coat, BUT I don't want to give her food that is not good for her! I think I will slowly wean her off and put her on the blue buffalo wet. Its a treat to have the wet and I want to continue that! Thank you for the blue buffalo tip!! I hope that I haven't hurt her . I never knew!! I told my vet she was picky and he told me about cesars!!

jnguyen115 · 07-27-2006, 11:22 PM

I've had Stanley for about 4 months now. His breeder suggested that I keep him on Royal Canin Mini Puppy 33 and that's exactly what I've been doing. I was feeding him Royal Canin with a tiny bit of Cesars but I stopped due to the cost of individual Cesars. For some reason though, he is not a picky eate and eats the kibbles alone happily. Should I be including some sort of wet food in his diet?

RLC12345678 · 07-28-2006, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by baby03

Thank God For your post!!!!!!!! I have been feeding my 3 year old yorkie 1/2 a pack of the Cesars!!! During the day I leave canidae out so she and the puppy can eat whenever they are hungry. I give baby 1/2 of the Cesars in the mornings. I have never had a problem with her stools, eyes, skin or coat, BUT I don't want to give her food that is not good for her! I think I will slowly wean her off and put her on the blue buffalo wet. Its a treat to have the wet and I want to continue that! Thank you for the blue buffalo tip!! I hope that I haven't hurt her . I never knew!! I told my vet she was picky and he told me about cesars!!

Don't worry...I'm sure you haven't hurt her! There are just lots of healthy canned dog foods out there (Chicken Soup, Merricks, etc.) so why feed them junk if you don't have to, you know? The reason I got Blue Buffalo was because I could get it at Petsmart and I didn't have to go to a fancy small pet shop to get it. I mix about 2 tps with hard food every morning and give it to them. Then I leave the hard Chicken Soup out all day. Here are the ingredients to the Blue Buffalo canned Chicken flavor:

Chicken, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Brown Rice, Barley, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Potatoes, Broccoli, Yellow Zucchini, Peas, Eggs , Flax Seed Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Sea Salt, Guar Gum, Carrageenan, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Sodium Selenite, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Copper Amino Acid Complex, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Choline Chloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Ascorbic Acid

All the Blue Buffalo products seem so healthy! If my dogs ever turn their noses up at their Chicken Soup hard food, I am going to try their hard food.

LuvMySissy · 07-28-2006, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JessicaB

Hmm... where to start??? I have read through this thread in it's entirety to gain some insight in regards to suggested feeding for when I get a Yorkie. I would like to give my opinions about some of these things and hear what everyone thinks. I have owned several different breeds of dogs in my life and spent a lot of time researching nutrition. It sounds to me like a lot of important factors are being left out of this thread. Like humans, all animals require a certain amount of nutritional elements. It seems that everyone already understands this and has taken a lot of effort to determine the proper values. However, not one person has discussed the fact that, like humans, not every dog's body is the same. Each dog's digestive system is going to process things differently. Some more so then others. Similarly, some dogs can tolerate ingredients that others cannot. Some may even have allergies to certain ingredients causing vomitting, runny stool, lack of appetite, skin reactions, or worse. There has been no mention of the "filler" ingredients in these dog foods which can be potentially dangerous to some pups. In addition, changing from one brand of food to another can be very upsetting for their stomach by itself. Remember to make the change slowly and in moderation. I am also curious... I do not believe in using moist food which I see a LOT of you do. Do you feel that this is necessary to the breed? The only reason I do not use wet food is because it does not provide any dental benefits. The crunching of the hard food aids in tartar removal. And last, I hear a lot of people mention that their pups are picky eaters. It has been my experience that a pup will only become picky and refuse food when they have been exposed to multiple choices. Dogs that are fed "people food" or multiple brands, flavors, or types are more likely to turn up their noses and wait for something better to come along. They are just like children in this sense. I think the most important thing is to find the foods that meet the nutritional values suggested by people educated in the matter and then over time, try to find the one that is best suited for your pups. There are going to be a lot of different results coming from the same foods because your pups are all different. Now that I have written a novel (haha), I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

Jessica - you make some very good points. Until I joined this forum, I was not aware of all the junk in pet foods. My breeder used Eukaneuba which is better than some out there, but still not great. I switched over to Royal Canin puppy small bites, because I liked the fact they had a specific Yorkie formula when she was older. She faithfully ate it with no problems till she got sick at 9 months old and refused to eat it again. I've tried several other brands trying to get her back to dry food. She will now at least eat a few pieces now and then of Chicken Soup and Solid Gold Wee Bits. Since she is tiny the food needs to be really small. I find this to be problematic with many of the good brands - the kibble nuggets are just too big!!

So, she didn't start out as a picky eater, but became one. In an effort to get her to eat, I have been mostly cooking for her (scrambled eggs with spinach, boiled chicken w/brown rice, oatmeal, yogurt). Obviously she is not getting the amount of veggies found in other foods. She occasionally will eat the Natural Balance meat (in casing like sausage), but lately has been turning her nose up to that also. Frankly, I'm afraid to just give her the dry food and take a "when she gets hungry enough she'll eat" attitude. I pick up samples of other dry foods whenever I can in an effort to find something she gobbles up rather than picks at and then this is what she will get.

Her coat looks great, her teeth are nice and white, she doesn't have smelly breath, poops twice a day, though she belches regularly!! I do give her VitaDog daily also. I hope I am doing the right thing, but do we ever know for sure?!

Zoey's Momma · 07-28-2006, 05:28 AM

I clicked on that link which compared Life's Abundence, to othe dry foods like Science Diet and etc. Then I went look on the Dry Dog food review site, and it's 3 out of 5 stars. I'm still not sure about it. Here's the link. http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_f...duct/529/cat/5

JeanieK · 07-28-2006, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JessicaB

..... And last, I hear a lot of people mention that their pups are picky eaters. It has been my experience that a pup will only become picky and refuse food when they have been exposed to multiple choices. Dogs that are fed "people food" or multiple brands, flavors, or types are more likely to turn up their noses and wait for something better to come along. They are just like children in this sense. I think the most important thing is to find the foods that meet the nutritional values suggested by people educated in the matter and then over time, try to find the one that is best suited for your pups. There are going to be a lot of different results coming from the same foods because your pups are all different. Now that I have written a novel (haha), I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

When I got Ollie, she was a very picky eater. The breeder had her on ground up Eukanuba moistened. She barely ate anything. She was not gaining anything, so I started to give her some scrambled eggs and cottage cheese. Then I went through 5 different brands of dry food before I found one she liked, Science diet. After 6 weeks, we got Chachi, he came with Cesars 1/4 can, twice a day, and Royal Canine and plain old Puppy Chow. He was a good eater. So I started giving Ollie the Cesars too, and set out both dry foods, Science diet, and Royal Canine. They prefer the Royal Canine, most days, but some days will eat only the Science diet. I have also started setting out the other varieties that I had bought for Ollie, (just to use them up) and they eat what ever they want. I usually have 3 brands out at a time.

Giving them a choice has not made them picky, it has made them better eaters.

There are so many posts on here that say this or that food is bad, yet all the puppies seem to grow up and do well no matter what they are fed. And even different people saying their vet said not to feed one food and anolther's vet told them do feed that food.

I imagine if one looks hard enough they will find something written to support their individual beliefs.

Just look at all the contradictory information out there on child rearing. By todays standards, none of us should even be here because our mothers let us sleep on our tummies.

RLC12345678 · 07-28-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

When I got Ollie, she was a very picky eater. The breeder had her on ground up Eukanuba moistened. She barely ate anything. She was not gaining anything, so I started to give her some scrambled eggs and cottage cheese. Then I went through 5 different brands of dry food before I found one she liked, Science diet. After 6 weeks, we got Chachi, he came with Cesars 1/4 can, twice a day, and Royal Canine and plain old Puppy Chow. He was a good eater. So I started giving Ollie the Cesars too, and set out both dry foods, Science diet, and Royal Canine. They prefer the Royal Canine, most days, but some days will eat only the Science diet. I have also started setting out the other varieties that I had bought for Ollie, (just to use them up) and they eat what ever they want. I usually have 3 brands out at a time.

Giving them a choice has not made them picky, it has made them better eaters.

There are so many posts on here that say this or that food is bad, yet all the puppies seem to grow up and do well no matter what they are fed. And even different people saying their vet said not to feed one food and anolther's vet told them do feed that food.

I imagine if one looks hard enough they will find something written to support their individual beliefs.

Just look at all the contradictory information out there on child rearing. By todays standards, none of us should even be here because our mothers let us sleep on our tummies.

EXCELLENT post! I agree 100%

Breezeaway · 07-28-2006, 08:45 AM

I too feed my Yorkies Cesars and they are never sick. I do have a site for you so you can read up on some of the issues here it may help. Heres a bit of what it says about by products.By-Products...
Are they getting a bad rap? As you read various pet food producers' advertising material you will often find such statements as "No By-Products Added!" or "Our food contains no animal by-products so you know it's top quality". I will let you decide if By-Products aren't good for dogs and cats after you learn what they are. To most people the term "by-products" congers up images of whatever is left over after the animal is processed, or maybe whatever can't be used for human food, or maybe even what's cleaned up off the processing floor at the end of the day. (I hear this misconception all the time!) It's time you learn what by-products are; so here is the legal definition as described by the official agency in charge of directing animal feeding practices in the U.S....AAFCO: Association of American Feed Control Officials.

By-Product... Secondary products produced in addition to the principal products. Well, there is nothing here to indicate good or bad quality of product. Maybe we should look at what the principal product is to find out what the secondary products are; then we can decide if the secondary products would make good food for meat-eating dogs and cats.

If Meat is the primary product (meat refers to the skeletal muscles of the slaughtered mammal) then ...
Meat By-Products - the non rendered (uncooked), clean parts, other than meat, derived from slaughtered mammals. It includes, but is not limited to, lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, horns, teeth and hooves.

Think about this for a moment... in a free roaming and natural state, wouldn't dogs and cats feed on exactly these parts of a killed prey animal? Wouldn't a meat-eating animal consume the liver, stomach, lung tissue, and intestines of the prey? These tissues are what we call by-products! They happen to be very nourishing for meat-eating animals like the canine and feline! My conclusion is that Meat By-Products are a good source of nutrition for dogs and cats; what's yours?

If you are worried about the concept of "too much protein harming the kidneys"... take time to read about this myth here.

Here is the link to the site
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/nutrition.html

chachi · 07-28-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

When I got Ollie, she was a very picky eater. The breeder had her on ground up Eukanuba moistened. She barely ate anything. She was not gaining anything, so I started to give her some scrambled eggs and cottage cheese. Then I went through 5 different brands of dry food before I found one she liked, Science diet. After 6 weeks, we got Chachi, he came with Cesars 1/4 can, twice a day, and Royal Canine and plain old Puppy Chow. He was a good eater. So I started giving Ollie the Cesars too, and set out both dry foods, Science diet, and Royal Canine. They prefer the Royal Canine, most days, but some days will eat only the Science diet. I have also started setting out the other varieties that I had bought for Ollie, (just to use them up) and they eat what ever they want. I usually have 3 brands out at a time.

Giving them a choice has not made them picky, it has made them better eaters.

There are so many posts on here that say this or that food is bad, yet all the puppies seem to grow up and do well no matter what they are fed. And even different people saying their vet said not to feed one food and anolther's vet told them do feed that food.

I imagine if one looks hard enough they will find something written to support their individual beliefs.

Just look at all the contradictory information out there on child rearing. By todays standards, none of us should even be here because our mothers let us sleep on our tummies.

I feed mine Lil Caesars also it is the only moist food they will eat. They are very picky eaters and will only eat Royal Canin hard and Lil Caesar moist.

Emmsmom · 07-28-2006, 09:52 AM

I feed Diesel Nutro Natural Chicken meal, rice and oatmeal. It only has 21% protein in it. I am also guilty of giving him a little of the Cesars too. He doesn't get a lot and during the day he only eats the Nutro. We have also discovered the Nurtro Natural deserts. He LOVES the apple tart. I have tried a TON on different soft foods. He hates chicken soup and all of the nutro soft foods. THose are just a few that I have tried. He hates pretty much all of the soft food other than cesars.

Michelle

ButterflyYorkie · 07-28-2006, 10:43 AM

I've had experience with Cesar's. Not recently but years ago. I'm sorry but I'm not going to pay 1.00 a container to give my babies fatty ingredients that only seems to cause runny poop. If I remember correctly, it took us almost a week to get those paticular yorkies back to normal. Unless Cesar has changed it's ingredients in the last 6 yrs, I have to stick to my guns on this one.

Now, please...no Iam's haters. This is my opinion. When I give a wet food I give either Iam's puppy or adult in the pouches. This goes along with my Pro Plan dry that I feel is a high quality food. My vet only sells pro plan products. She isn't trying to "promote" it for the company, it's what she feeds her own dogs. The first ingredients on the Iam's wet pouches are: Beef broth, chicken, chicken liver, beef, potatoes, carrots. Now please keep in mind that these pouches of wet are "select bites" and with a young puppy you would still have to take a fork and mash it.

07-27-2006, 07:59 PM	#77
Amber_lv Peeka Boo I See You! Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 7,161 Blog Entries: 3	Ok i'm gonna take a crack at this please everyone know i mean everything i say as useful not harmful... Royal Canine is 33% protein i have a bag of puppy33 right here i have two boy yorkies Peeka and Boo they are 11 weeks old When i fist got them the breeder had them on Authority i got them at 7 weeks well they ate that for a week and then stopped eating all together they wouldn't eat nutrical or anything so i went to the store and bought 5 diff brands of food they hated all but one the Royal Canine that is all they will eat now i did this because they were so little and i didn't want them to die on me from not eating and i know a lot of people say they will eat whatever if they get hungry enough but why risk it. Now i had a sales person for the food called BLUE it has a buffalo on it approach me in petsmart one day as i was looking for dog food she told me that the maker of blue owned a dog that got cancer because of the food and by products so he got together with a team of vets to produce this all natural healthy food and from what i read on the lable it seemed great. Now everyone has there own opinion on food and what works for thier dogs and i agree all dogs are diff. I just wanted to say i really like the royal canine because it is small for them to eat and they reallly seem to enjoy it. As for ceasers i only tried it once and they didn't like it but i did notice a huge diff in the texture compared to other brands it seemed very dry and then fatty on the top but if some dogs like it then they should eat it.Good luck with everyone and the food they are on i Respect everyone for thier great opinions on this matter Thank you! __________________ Peeka-Boo-Daisy-Designs <---Click Here Peeka's MyspaceDaisy's Myspace Peeka's Dogster

07-27-2006, 08:13 PM	#78
Lila Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 70	Which Feeds? I fed Kia Nutrience when she came here, as that was what she had been used to. I switched her to Royal Canin, due to the fact it was manufactured for Yorkies. After a while, she refused to eat the Royal Canin, yet she would eat other dogs' Pedigree. I then switched her to Solid Gold Wee Bits-there is no corn or by-products in it. I use a little canned (Natural Balance, or other high quality food) food in the evening-about one tablespoon with her 1/4 cup of kibble. She only gets the canned food once a day. For treats when training, we use RollOver or dehydrated chicken-again no by-products or corn fillers. At times she eats little of her meal, due to hot, humid weather; I pick it up after twenty minutes and feed it to the cats, and feed a little less the next meal. In the winter, I make chicken soup on the woodstove, as it is going all the time; Kia gets that for supper, just as I do. She has no trouble maintaining her weight, (7.5 lbs), and has enough energy to walk four or five miles a day. She also keeps an eye on everything, and is always ready to help 'herd' the horses, or chase the cats from the gardens.

07-27-2006, 11:22 PM	#81
jnguyen115 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Garden Grove Posts: 211	Is it bad not to include wet food in their diets?? I've had Stanley for about 4 months now. His breeder suggested that I keep him on Royal Canin Mini Puppy 33 and that's exactly what I've been doing. I was feeding him Royal Canin with a tiny bit of Cesars but I stopped due to the cost of individual Cesars. For some reason though, he is not a picky eate and eats the kibbles alone happily. Should I be including some sort of wet food in his diet? __________________ *Jeanie & Stanley*

07-27-2006, 07:24 PM	#76
yougetthesmiles BANNED FOR NOT MAILING PRODUCTS PURCHASED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,295 Blog Entries: 3	My parents feed there 9 yr old pug Little Ceasers and I have tried to warn them about his food, he is so picky cause they have spolied him rotten, most his diet is table scraps, they set hard food (beneful) and usually it just sits there. I wish they would ban these no good dog foods, but it's just like us eating at Mc Donalds or any fast food joint, it's not good for us and we know this but we still continue to eat junk food.

07-28-2006, 05:28 AM	#84
Zoey's Momma Luv My Butterflies Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Big Easy Posts: 2,083	I clicked on that link which compared Life's Abundence, to othe dry foods like Science Diet and etc. Then I went look on the Dry Dog food review site, and it's 3 out of 5 stars. I'm still not sure about it. Here's the link. http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_f...duct/529/cat/5

07-28-2006, 08:45 AM	#87
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	I too feed my Yorkies Cesars and they are never sick. I do have a site for you so you can read up on some of the issues here it may help. Heres a bit of what it says about by products.By-Products... Are they getting a bad rap? As you read various pet food producers' advertising material you will often find such statements as "No By-Products Added!" or "Our food contains no animal by-products so you know it's top quality". I will let you decide if By-Products aren't good for dogs and cats after you learn what they are. To most people the term "by-products" congers up images of whatever is left over after the animal is processed, or maybe whatever can't be used for human food, or maybe even what's cleaned up off the processing floor at the end of the day. (I hear this misconception all the time!) It's time you learn what by-products are; so here is the legal definition as described by the official agency in charge of directing animal feeding practices in the U.S....AAFCO: Association of American Feed Control Officials. By-Product... Secondary products produced in addition to the principal products. Well, there is nothing here to indicate good or bad quality of product. Maybe we should look at what the principal product is to find out what the secondary products are; then we can decide if the secondary products would make good food for meat-eating dogs and cats. If Meat is the primary product (meat refers to the skeletal muscles of the slaughtered mammal) then ... Meat By-Products - the non rendered (uncooked), clean parts, other than meat, derived from slaughtered mammals. It includes, but is not limited to, lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, horns, teeth and hooves. Think about this for a moment... in a free roaming and natural state, wouldn't dogs and cats feed on exactly these parts of a killed prey animal? Wouldn't a meat-eating animal consume the liver, stomach, lung tissue, and intestines of the prey? These tissues are what we call by-products! They happen to be very nourishing for meat-eating animals like the canine and feline! My conclusion is that Meat By-Products are a good source of nutrition for dogs and cats; what's yours? If you are worried about the concept of "too much protein harming the kidneys"... take time to read about this myth here. Here is the link to the site http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/nutrition.html

07-28-2006, 09:52 AM	#89
Emmsmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 989	I feed Diesel Nutro Natural Chicken meal, rice and oatmeal. It only has 21% protein in it. I am also guilty of giving him a little of the Cesars too. He doesn't get a lot and during the day he only eats the Nutro. We have also discovered the Nurtro Natural deserts. He LOVES the apple tart. I have tried a TON on different soft foods. He hates chicken soup and all of the nutro soft foods. THose are just a few that I have tried. He hates pretty much all of the soft food other than cesars. Michelle

07-28-2006, 10:43 AM	#90
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	I've had experience with Cesar's. Not recently but years ago. I'm sorry but I'm not going to pay 1.00 a container to give my babies fatty ingredients that only seems to cause runny poop. If I remember correctly, it took us almost a week to get those paticular yorkies back to normal. Unless Cesar has changed it's ingredients in the last 6 yrs, I have to stick to my guns on this one. Now, please...no Iam's haters. This is my opinion. When I give a wet food I give either Iam's puppy or adult in the pouches. This goes along with my Pro Plan dry that I feel is a high quality food. My vet only sells pro plan products. She isn't trying to "promote" it for the company, it's what she feeds her own dogs. The first ingredients on the Iam's wet pouches are: Beef broth, chicken, chicken liver, beef, potatoes, carrots. Now please keep in mind that these pouches of wet are "select bites" and with a young puppy you would still have to take a fork and mash it.