Annual Vaccinactions - why are some still doing them?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

Cant speak for anyone but myself but personally I shirk no rules, laws, or regulations. In NYS you need the Rabies vaccine every three years by Law, mine get that nothing else is required by Law. My dog walker and groomer both know that I follow Dr. Dodds protocol, they know which vaccines my dogs do an do not get and they are fine with it, my groomer is way more "holistic" then me. Both my regular vet and my specialty hospital know which vaccines my dogs get and neither have ever said that anything else was required for surgery. One of my cats does not get Rabies however, she has a medical exemption for it and this has also never presented any issues, no decent vet would even give her the vaccine.

Also, my choices not to vaccinate are not a "fad"... they are well researched and backed by current research and specialists in the field.

I actually had a vet who was a proponent of vaccines tell me that the reason that some vaccines are now given in the leg is because it is easier to amputate a leg when cancer strikes that deal with it in other areas of the body. This is a HUGE red flag that something is wrong with the current protocol.

they do vaccinate there to amputate if they get cancer see this thread as my friends dog has cancer in the site where the rabies was given

waiting for her to respond on what type of cancer though

see below thread

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ce-please.html

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

never heard of him

is this taught at vet schools now? is this how vets will train and practice now?

edited to ad

and boarding..where can you board where the bordatella isnt required? i would be afraid my pet would get kennel cough from someone who DIDNT vaccinate..i dont board so this isnt a problem for me, and we dont do bordatella BUT if i needed to board i would get the vaccination first

i posted the link below it is Dr Jean Dodds - check out her resume below

here it is

http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-RESUME.HTM

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by dwerten

they do vaccinate there to amputate if they get cancer see this thread as my friends dog has cancer in the site where the rabies was given

waiting for her to respond on what type of cancer though

see below thread

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ce-please.html

i have never seen nor heard of a vet vaccinating for rabies any where but the rump..sounds like a incompetent vet vaccinated in the wrong spot..i dont know if i believe it caused cancer or not..cause i just dont know..i havent heard about vets doing it in the leg either..thats just odd

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

never heard of him

is this taught at vet schools now? is this how vets will train and practice now?

Yes, new vaccine protocol is now being taught by all 27 North American veterinary schools. I believe the new vaccine protocols have been in place for several years now.

Subject: New Vaccination Protocol adopted by Vet schools

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i have never seen nor heard of a vet vaccinating for rabies any where but the rump..sounds like a incompetent vet vaccinated in the wrong spot..i dont know if i believe it caused cancer or not..cause i just dont know..i havent heard about vets doing it in the leg either..thats just odd

the member of yt on that thread she worked for a bc surgeon so she saw this it sounds like

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Yes, new vaccine protocol is now being taught by all 27 North American veterinary schools. I believe the new vaccine protocols have been in place for several years now.

Subject: New Vaccination Protocol adopted by Vet schools

dang..first i have heard of it..and i take mine in regularly but opt out for the vac because i do it

are the vets that are currently in the field not required to follow the new protocol?

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by dwerten

the member of yt on that thread she worked for a bc surgeon so she saw this it sounds like

im not doubting it happened..just stating that to me it sounds like a vet that didnt know what they were doing

[ArmaniMan]

Can someone answer this question... I follow Dr. Dodds protocol so that is what I try to keep on top of... but if I am correct, AAHA protocol is now every three years... so whose protocol is being followed when someone vaccinates annually?

[dwerten]

Do Vets have to go to continuing education courses like say for example teachers have to take continuing education classes for their profession?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

im not doubting it happened..just stating that to me it sounds like a vet that didnt know what they were doing

oh no I am not thinking you doubt it at all

I am glad you are on here as you worked for a vet and want to get your take as well and why the thread is open. The vet that vaccinated Brandi had been in practice for 40 years. I think it is the older vets that are not up to date on this information and curious why and why i asked if continuing ed was required in the profession to keep their license

I think sadly alot of these reactions go unreported

Did you ever see a reaction such as this when working for the vet?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

dang..first i have heard of it..and i take mine in regularly but opt out for the vac because i do it

are the vets that are currently in the field not required to follow the new protocol?

I think it is a protocol not a requirement so they can do whatever they want sadly

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

dang..first i have heard of it..and i take mine in regularly but opt out for the vac because i do it

are the vets that are currently in the field not required to follow the new protocol?

They should be required but I think they are not by law necessarily. And, the ones that don't follow the newer protocols, don't because they want uneducated clients to bring dogs in every year, it's their bread and butter...$$.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

dang..first i have heard of it..and i take mine in regularly but opt out for the vac because i do it

are the vets that are currently in the field not required to follow the new protocol?

Vets definitely aren't required to follow the newer protocol. Nobody really watches vets unless something gone terrible wrong and an owner reports them. Some vets are hesitant to go to the newer schedule because they aren't comfortable with what is stated as fact quite yet. This really goes for the vaccine one year booster and then never again. However, there is really very little excuse for a vet to not at least offer every three years since the people that came up with this schedule are the very people that run the network that these vets belong to! That would be the AAHA. The AAHA is not going to say it is okay to stop yearly vaccines if they were at all uncomfortable about it.

Now from the Colorado State University College of Veterinary Medicine (ranked best in the United States):
COLORADO STATE UNIVERSITY
SMALL ANIMAL VACCINATION PROTOCOL

Program 1701 has been designed for routine immunization of Colorado State University's clients' dogs and cats living in Larimer County, Colorado, U.S.A. Not all available small animal vaccines may be suitable for Program 1701. Infectious disease risk may vary and Program 1701 may not be suitable for all localities. Anyone using Program 1701 does so at their own risk.

A recent survey by one of the largest vaccine manufacturers (Pfizer) of small animal vaccination practices found 1,700 different vaccination recommendations for dogs and cats from veterinarians across the United States. In January 1998, the Colorado State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital will be offering its clients one additional vaccination program (1701). We are making this change after years of concern about the lack of scientific evidence to support the current practice of annual vaccination and the increasing documentation that overvaccinating has been associated with harmful side effects. Of particular note in this regard has been the association of autoimmune hemolytic anemia with vaccination in dogs and vaccine-associated sarcomas in cats-- both of which are often fatal. Boosters, the annual revaccination recommendation on the vaccine label is just that -- a recommendation, and is not a legal requirement except for rabies. This recommendation could just as well have been every leap year or full moon and is not, in most cases, based on duration of immunity studies. The only commonly used vaccine that requires that duration of immunity studies be carried out before licensure in the United States is rabies. Even with rabies vaccines, the label may be misleading in that a three year duration of immunity product may also be labeled and sold as a one year duration of immunity product.

Based on the concern that annual vaccination of small animals for many infectious agents is probably no longer scientifically justified, and our desire to avoid vaccine-associated adverse events, in January of 1998 we will be recommending a new immunization protocol to our small animal clients called "Program 1701".

Program 1701 recommends the standard three shot series for puppies (parvovirus, adenovirus 2, parainfluenza, distemper) and kittens (panleukopenia, rhinotracheitis, calicivirus) to include rabies after 12 weeks of age for cats and 16 weeks of age for dogs. Following the initial puppy and kitten immunization series, cats and dogs will be boostered one year later and then every three years thereafter for all the above diseases. Similar small animal vaccination programs to Program 1701 have been recently adopted by the University of Wisconsin, Texas A & M and the American Association of Feline Practitioners.

Other available small animal vaccines, which may need more frequent administration, i.e., intranasal parainfluenza, Bordetella, feline leukemia, Lyme, etc., may be recommended for CSU client animals on an "at risk" basis but are not a part of the routine Colorado State University protocol for small animals. Recent studies by Dr. Ron Schultz clearly indicate that not all vaccines perform equally and some vaccine products may not be suitable for such a program.
https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/vax.htm

[dwerten]

here are some videos to check out

YouTube - Avoiding Dangerous Veterinarians

YouTube - Dog Rabid About Rabies Vaccine Dangers

YouTube - Stand Up to Your Veterinarian

YouTube - Pet Vaccines

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by dwerten

oh no I am not thinking you doubt it at all

I am glad you are on here as you worked for a vet and want to get your take as well and why the thread is open. The vet that vaccinated Brandi had been in practice for 40 years. I think it is the older vets that are not up to date on this information and curious why and why i asked if continuing ed was required in the profession to keep their license

I think sadly alot of these reactions go unreported

Did you ever see a reaction such as this when working for the vet?

i have never seen a vaccination reaction...not at the vets...not at the rescue ..not at home...now i will add at the rescue its rare you see a small dog in that rescue, at the vets and of course at home i have my yorkies and when i worked at the vets office there were small dogs

i my self dont know about the continuing education but i will state that i go to an older vets practice...he has a yorkie, and an old lab name opposum =) and he seems pretty fresh and does have younger vets and techs...very knowledgeable in the breeds..knows yorkies and i know that he vaccinated them and does it yearly