Annual Vaccinactions - why are some still doing them?

[Ellie May]

William R. Pritchard Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital

https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/vax.htm

Community Practice

Texas A&M News & Information Services Blog Archive Pet Vaccinations

Both UF and OSU have similar three year protocol, but they are on pages that can't be linked.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by jencar98

But, you most likely have been exposed to those diseases since your childhood vaccinations and didn't come down with one of those diseases after your exposure. When you are immune, you are just that - immune, you won't get the disease because of your immunity, not because you wash your hands, or take a bath.

not too..i didnt get chicken pox later =)

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by dwerten

the dog had a pancake size cancer at the injection site as the vet wrote down the injection site and owner asked. Could be coincidence?

Why are more dogs getting illnesses these days than years ago or is that not the case?

it could be a blame game I don't know still trying to figure it all out and maybe after years of not overvaccinating we will know if dogs stop getting all these illnesses that are coming up.

I think ultimately we have to have someone we trust with our pets health care and i happen to trust dr dodds. You trust your vet and both have worked for us which is good. No one should do anything they are not 100% comfortable with and each owner should do their homework to be the best advocate for their dog.

very true

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

I agree 100%...The vet will make more money treating the chronic disease that result from overvaccination...I know this sounds evil but vets are just like any other business, profits.....It is a business simple as that.....

I wish I would have saved the article I ran across from a veterinary periodical. The vets where discussing how they where going to increase their profits when they start losing income from vaccines. They where talking about getting people into the office under the pretense their pets needed several wormings a year to keep the pet healthy and parasite free and how they could use fear telling the client the parasites where contagious to the family members. The article also quoted several vets as saying they will *never* switch to the new protocol until they are *forced* to......This is malpractice by my standards......

I so wish you would have saved that article too. It could hopefully open the eyes of those that refuse to believe in the concept of over-vaccination.

[dwerten]

i think in the last video i posted she stated what they are preserved with if i am not mistake was that the mlv - mercury ?

[QUOTE= I also have to wonder what these MLV vaccines are preserved with and if giving that two or three times instead of once is a good idea.[/QUOTE]

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

I would be very concerned if a vet removed my animal from the room to vaccinate... there is almost nothing in a regular visit that the animal should be removed from the room for. People need to learn to speak up for themselves, anytime the vet asks to remove their animal from the room they need to ask WHY the procedure cant be done in the room.

Vaccination Reactions are very common... every owner should know the EXACT spot of the vaccine so they can keep an eye on it after.

not really an issue for me since i do my own..but i took someone puppy to the hated banfield.. i hate them with a passion and they took the pup put the room for almost everything they did..since i do my own vaccines thats not a problem for me...i believe my vet does it with you and the one i worked for but there might be others that dont

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

William R. Pritchard Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital

https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/vax.htm

Community Practice

Texas A&M News & Information Services Blog Archive Pet Vaccinations

Both UF and OSU have similar three year protocol, but they are on pages that can't be linked.

just had to do it C

GOOOOOOOOOOO BUCKS LOLLLL

[JohnnieWalker]

As I'm about to get Walker "updated" on his shots, it's an eye opener to me reading all of this! I guess, I'll have to do some research in the next few days and I totally agree: the vets just push all this stuff on us, because they want to make money and they'll make us feel like we don't take the best care of our dogs, if we don't get them vaccinated every year. I do believe, most of those shots are unnecessary, depending on your dogs life style and based on where you live. Lymes disease is a big concern, even with people in my area. I won't skip that one. Rabies is the law and not annually required. Fine with that. The 5-way, that is now a 7-way at my old vet, is overkill in my book. That's why he's my old vet. This year, I'm trying somebody new. We'll see how this goes. This is a very helpful thread! Thanks for bringing it up.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by JohnnieWalker

As I'm about to get Walker "updated" on his shots, it's an eye opener to me reading all of this! I guess, I'll have to do some research in the next few days and I totally agree: the vets just push all this stuff on us, because they want to make money and they'll make us feel like we don't take the best care of our dogs, if we don't get them vaccinated every year. I do believe, most of those shots are unnecessary, depending on your dogs life style and based on where you live. Lymes disease is a big concern, even with people in my area. I won't skip that one. Rabies is the law and not annually required. Fine with that. The 5-way, that is now a 7-way at my old vet, is overkill in my book. That's why he's my old vet. This year, I'm trying somebody new. We'll see how this goes. This is a very helpful thread! Thanks for bringing it up.

I thank you for taking the time to learn. And, if Walker could talk, I'm sure he would thank you too!

[Ellie May]

And what if the same approach was taken for anesthesia?
The old anesthesia work for a lot of animals, but it is still not nearly as safe as what we have today (iso, sevo, and propofol). So what if vets decided that this new anesthesia protocol wasn't a good idea because the old protocol is still working for most? We would be losing more animals to common surgeries because of hesitancy to move ahead with newer ways of doing things.

[dwerten]

[QUOTEAlso, dogs have sacrificed their lives in order for OUR dogs to have this research and lead safer, healthier lives through not being overvaccinated[/QUOTE]

This is true and Dogs will be sacrificed for the Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund as well and some are outraged by this but sadly these dogs would probably be put down anyway in a shelter and they could possibly save more dogs from being in a shelter or pts

Why are most dogs in rescue and at shelters? Is it because they are sick and owners cannot afford vet care?

btw i am not good at this quote thing can you tell lolllll how do you do that?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by dwerten

i think in the last video i posted she stated what they are preserved with if i am not mistake was that the mlv - mercury ?

ok just emailed jean dodds your question C and this is her response

All vaccines have some preservatives – some even have thimerosol (mercury) – you have to read the actual product insert on them before purchase. It’s usually available on line. Jean

she is the best and fast to respond - love her

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i believe in doing the booster at 6 9 12 and sometimes 15 weeks..and then once a year.i do believe in it..thats what has been taught for years..and im old school if it aint broke dont fix it... for me its not broke..

no i dont follow new researches at all..one day something is good for you the next its not...i do what i know works for us...

I am so shocked.

It *is* broke...do you read the journals and follow, say, Pitcairn's talks on what overvaccinating has done to our dogs health, which is now possibly causing GENETIC alterations???

This research is not new. Where are you getting that it's "new"?

[Britster]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i do what vets protocol here in va all i have ever seen nor heard is that your pup should be vaccinated at 6 9 12 weeks..always severed me well..my pups are healthy and thriving..never a problem..any vet i have ever worked with does the same.never heard any different till YT

i also know for a fact that a dog can and will get parvo if not vaccinated..and i would think thats how is transferred. by people NOT vaccinating and spreading the diseases that way and the ones that arent protected will be the ones suffering.

i have never had to deal with an illness or reaction

i know working for a rescue we had some young terriers with parvo..thats not something to play around with and taking chances on..so i will keep with protecting my pets..i dont think its necessary to give it yearly once older..but definitely every other year

i also know a person who brought home a new puppy and she stated she had been vaccinated (lbreeder lied) and the puppy got parvo..she survived but it was costly and there was the fear of her other pets being in jeopardy . she couldnt have any more puppies for some time if she wanted one..she had to bleach the entire home..and thats time consuming and not to mention the heart ache and fear of losing her pet because she wasnt vaccinate and hadnt built up enough of an immune system

the idea of not vaccinating sounds like a breeding ground for parvo...

JMO

Nobody in this thread is saying not to vaccinate. It is VERY important to get your pups protected. In fact most folks don't even take their puppies outdoors until their shots are completed on this site. My vet informed me it was okay to take Jackson outside after his 2nd puppy shot at 12 weeks old but only in our backyard.

All of us are trying to say, YES... get the puppy shots up until 15-16 weeks or so, then get rabies. Then at 1 year old get all those shots again!

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

I would be very concerned if a vet removed my animal from the room to vaccinate... there is almost nothing in a regular visit that the animal should be removed from the room for. People need to learn to speak up for themselves, anytime the vet asks to remove their animal from the room they need to ask WHY the procedure cant be done in the room.

Vaccination Reactions are very common... every owner should know the EXACT spot of the vaccine so they can keep an eye on it after.

Me too. I have NEVER taken a dog to the vet and had my pup taken away from me for shots.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I am so shocked.

It *is* broke...do you read the journals and follow, say, Pitcairn's talks on what overvaccinating has done to our dogs health, which is now possibly causing GENETIC alterations???

This research is not new. Where are you getting that it's "new"?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

And what if the same approach was taken for anesthesia?
The old anesthesia work for a lot of animals, but it is still not nearly as safe as what we have today (iso, sevo, and propofol). So what if vets decided that this new anesthesia protocol wasn't a good idea because the old protocol is still working for most? We would be losing more animals to common surgeries because of hesitancy to move ahead with newer ways of doing things.

Sadly, with new protocols the cost of dentals and other procedures that require anesthesia has increased. Not to mention that there are many other things that are being done during dentals and those things, while better for the pups, are costing more money.

Couple that with people who bargain shop because they cannot afford higher priced vetting. I have seen many vets perform procedures that they should not have in trying to satisfy the demands of people who wanted cheaper vetting. It happened to one of my fosters....an IM pin was placed for way less than what anyone else would do and no plate, no screws...in a long bone and it of course never healed. Then, the end result was that he was surrendered by the owner. So...the owner tossed her money away and the pup suffered.

There are many vets who are responding to the need for cheaper vetting and the results are not good.

And, of course you have vets who do not do any continuing education and are probably not AAHA accretited. Many people do seek them out to save a buck not thinking about what the end result can be. Yes, there can be vets in AAHA accretited facilities that are not as good as others; but my personal opinion is that they are normally the best vets out there. At least they do have to meet certain standards. Same thing goes for specialists...I go to board certified because they have met certain standards that others avoid.

As for vaccines, I have had conversations with people who refuse to question their vets about this every year nonsense. I have given them the link to the AAHA information and suggested they show their vet....and they have told me that they would not question it. Many people are like that....I have had people tell me "my doctor said" and they never question it. I am all about being an educated consumer. That does not mean I think vets and doctors are all stupid. It means that I am a partner in my and/or my pups' care. I don't go to a doctor or vet and tell them what to do. I listen to what they say and then I ask questions. Many people just take what anyone says as gospel.