milk

[rayray27]

i was just wondering if it is ok to give my puppy milk... like 2% and if so how much should i give her....thanks guys

[megansmomma]

Milk is not alright to give your puppy. Most dogs are lactose intolerant and it will cause stomach upset.

[Cerise]

You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.

[cathys]

Originally Posted by Cerise

You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.

I agree, don't want to make baby sick.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Cerise

You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.

yes this is what i have learned as well and goat yogurt is good for them as well as the goat milk is the closest to mothers milk. I want to say it is something to do with the estrogen or all the stuff they pump into cows these days- cerise do you know on this ? I have heard of raw milk being given as well

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yes this is what i have learned as well and goat yogurt is good for them as well as the goat milk is the closes to mothers milk. I want to say it is something to do with the estrogen or all the stuff they pump into cows these days- cerise do you know on this ? I have heard of raw milk being given as well

I don't know all the details on the hormones exactly, but I do know that breeders use it and it is easily digested. Cerise loves it and I have been drinking it for a while myself, because I quit eating and drinking cow's dairy products. After I got Cerise I was eating some plain goat yogurt one day and she went crazy trying to get some from me. So I researched it and went for it and she's happy! So I am because I can now eat my yogurt in peace LOL!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I don't know all the details on the hormones exactly, but I do know that breeders use it and it is easily digested. Cerise loves it and I have been drinking it for a while myself, because I quit eating and drinking cow's dairy products. After I got Cerise I was eating some plain goat yogurt one day and she went crazy trying to get some from me. So I researched it and went for it and she's happy! So I am because I can now eat my yogurt in peace LOL!

lol so glad thanks as i think soy is high in estrogen i believe and my two dogs are on soy diet for health issues and vet said it is good for spayed females so thought that interesting

[Nancy1999]

It's not the hormones it's the lactose in cow's milk. Lactose is actually a kind of sugar, not just one single sugar, but two sugar molecules chemically linked together.

In order for a dog to digest milk, the lactose must first be broken apart into its two more basic, and easy-to-absorb, sugars, a dog’s body must be able to produce its own special lactose-splitting enzyme, an enzyme known as lactase, and that's one thing, very few dogs can reliably do. So if your dog suffers from gas or diarrhea after drinking milk, he can't break down the lactose found in cow's milk. Is It OK to Give a Dog Milk or Dairy Products? Here's a picture showing the different amount of lactose in various milk products, cheese has much less milk sugar or lactose than does milk.

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This link explains why goat's milk is easier to digest than cow's milk, they don't know exactly why yet, but it is thought to have superior digestibility.

Goat milk is more completely and easily absorbed than cow's milk, leaving less undigested residue behind in the colon to quite literally ferment and cause the uncomfortable symptoms of lactose intolerance.
It may also be that the patient is not lactose intolerant at all, but instead is one of the 1-in-10 people who are allergic to the major protein of cow's milk ... alpha S1 casein protein. The symptoms are almost identical to those of lactose intolerance. Both goat milk and human milk lack this offending protein.
The digestibility of goat milk can be attributed to its casein curd, which is both softer and smaller than that produced by bovine milk. The smaller and softer the curd, the more easily accepted by the human digestive system.
Another significant difference between cow's milk and goat milk is found in the composition and structure of fat. The average size of goat milk fat globules is about two micrometers, as compared to 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 micrometers for cow's milk. These smaller sized fat globules provide a better dispersion and a more homogenous mixture of fat in the milk, another factor in making goat milk easier to digest. Goat's Milk: A Natural Alternative for Milk Sensitive Patients

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It's not the hormones it's the lactose in cow's milk. Lactose is actually a kind of sugar, not just one single sugar, but two sugar molecules chemically linked together.

In order for a dog to digest milk, the lactose must first be broken apart into its two more basic, and easy-to-absorb, sugars, a dog’s body must be able to produce its own special lactose-splitting enzyme, an enzyme known as lactase, and that's one thing, very few dogs can reliably do. So if your dog suffers from gas or diarrhea after drinking milk, he can't break down the lactose found in cow's milk. Is It OK to Give a Dog Milk or Dairy Products? Here's a picture showing the different amount of lactose in various milk products, cheese has much less milk sugar or lactose than does milk.

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This link explains why goat's milk is easier to digest than cow's milk, they don't know exactly why yet, but it is thought to have superior digestibility.

Thanks nancy as i was aware of lactose intolerance causing diarhea but was curious why goats milk is better for them than cows milk and why they can tolerate it better- I give non-dairy probiotics to dee dee daily and why i do not give yogurt to her due to lactose issue

Hey do you know why raw milk is good for them too as i know other owners give raw milk for nutrition as well? also have heard some are using clostridium for their dogs have you used that and do you have info on it as i know ladysmom recommends that as well

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by dwerten

Thanks nancy as i was aware of lactose intolerance causing diarhea but was curious why goats milk is better for them than cows milk and why they can tolerate it better- I give non-dairy probiotics to dee dee daily and why i do not give yogurt to her due to lactose issue

Hey do you know why raw milk is good for them too as i know other owners give raw milk for nutrition as well? also have heard some are using clostridium for their dogs have you used that and do you have info on it as i know ladysmom recommends that as well

There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.

great point - I fed raw at one time but with immune suppressant drugs for dd i got too nervous and then my friends dogs got so sick on a bad batch of stevies and almost lost them so you are right the source is so important. If someone's freezer breaks down or something you are stuck with a bad batch if they are more worried about money than selling bad food You never can be too careful especially with the little ones as one wrong move and you are in a bad way

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by dwerten

great point - I fed raw at one time but with immune suppressant drugs for dd i got too nervous and then my friends dogs got so sick on a bad batch of stevies and almost lost them so you are right the source is so important. If someone's freezer breaks down or something you are stuck with a bad batch if they are more worried about money than selling bad food You never can be too careful especially with the little ones as one wrong move and you are in a bad way

Yeah, and the cows themselves can be sick; years ago I believe tuberculosis was passed this way.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.

oops meant colostrum lollll clostridium is bad bacteria in gut from antibiotic use lolll

Colostrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.askariel.com/product_details.asp?ItemID=117

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yeah, and the cows themselves can be sick; years ago I believe tuberculosis was passed this way.

whoa scary - hey just curious as my cousin just moved to London and they do not Homogenize is that true? He said something about this and why their cheeses taste so much better than ours - just curious sorry OT OP

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by dwerten

oops meant colostrum lollll clostridium is bad bacteria in gut from antibiotic use lolll

Colostrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

pet colostrum for Inflammatory Bowel Syndrome (IBS)

Well, I've heard of colostrum, but that's just the first milk a mother produces, it's filled with all the mother's antibodies, that help protect the newborn, during the first few weeks before it gets its shots. That's why if a mother dies in childbirth, the newborn loses this advantage. Human mothers also produce it, and I recommend every mother nurse for at least a few weeks, but that's for a different forum. I wouldn't think you could buy this, it's only produced the first day or so.

I can't really comment on the second link, I don't know enough about the subject. I wonder why they chose that name, it's a little misleading, and that always makes me suspicious.