The things that stink!
 

ROFL, green tripe smells like cow's poop! But most dogs go nuts over it so I hold my breath, say a prayer and feed..... :eek:
My son knows when I'm feeding green tripe because he comes out exclaiming it smells like a horse's barn again! LOL

is buffalo in the same category as beef and chicken?


if i used Grain Free Dog Food, Homemade Dog Food – The Honest Kitchen

then what are some mean items i could use in there?


im afraid to do raw.

You mean what meats you can feed cooked???
 

Hi! :star:
Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand your question. :confused:
Buffalo is a meat and protein source just like beef and chicken while chicken belongs to the fowl family and buffalo/beef belongs to the large ungulates family.
I understand about feeling afraid of feeding raw at first; if you're interested then check out all of the postings, you will find that many topics and questions regarding RAW have been addressed here! :)
I, too was afraid at first! But frankly, now I'd be afraid to feed anything BUT raw!!! :eek:
I and other prey model feeders feed whatever kind of meat we can find but chicken seems to be in rotation the most. Venison, rabbit, ostrich are great exotic meats! But whatever you can find at your local butchers/supermarket will do just fine as well! ;)
Hope this helped, if not- just ask away! There's usually somebody hanging around this fun thread to answer! :D

Nadia





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lol sorry my dog is allergic to chicken and beef so i was wondering if buffalo should be okay?

My own experience with allergies!
 

....not to get into your business, but I too have a dog that was "presumed" to be allergic to chicken and a bunch of other stuff. Those allergy tests were very expensive and at the time I was told that those tests are somewhat unreliable. None the less, I stopped feeding him chicken containing kibble and still he did not get any better at all! Those allergies (if that's even what it is) are often seen with COOKED proteins and heavily supplemented dogs. Also dogs that are taking daily medications like steroids for example like are subject to allergies as the immune system is being suppressed during treatment. Every single time that I have heard of these allergies and the problems that came with them, the dog was suddenly NOT allergic to anything he was being fed once he started to eat prey model. The yahoo board is full of such stories. A species appropriate diet will put the dog back to a healthy, natural state, more times than none, previous health and behavior problems just disappear as the immune system recovers from previous kibble damage. :)
Feeding those proteins in the RAW form NOT cooked makes all the difference! ;)

Nadia

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol all this is confusing me!!! hahaha like i was just about order HK dehydrated raw food (turkey) but now i might be able to do chicken your saying . hahaha i have a headache .. not from you but i have been busy researching all day!

Good for you!!!!!
 

Not your headache of course but that you are taking the time to research these important question! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Well, stick with this thread, many great posts by everybody here! ;) :D
I'm so very proud of this group and our little club!

Ok. This is day 7 and things are going really good. I think I am going to introduce some form of pork over the next day or two, as soon as I can get some at the store. I think I might try pork necks? Not sure what they look like but I've heard of others feeding it so thought I'd try. Not sure how big it is and if it will work for both dogs but I guess when I actually go to the store, it should all fall into place. :) But I do have one question, I've been feeding chicken in the evening, either a thigh or leg or breast depending on the dog and what I have. I also discovered that they really like gizzards and hearts so I've fed that as breakfast and also along with dinner but can you over do it on those? About how much should they get of that? Since they like it so much, they would eat the whole package I think. Also, I've been feeding the liver too. Sometimes as breakfast, sometimes along with dinner but I heard that you can be careful so not to overdo it. How much is too much? And finally, I know some liver is good but Sasha (my collie) doesn't like it at all. Doesn't she need some? Should I be worried about her not eating it, should I be encouraging it more or just don't worry about it?
Thanks for all your helpful advice!!!!!

Liver
 

Good Morning!
Glad to hear all is well! Pork necks are a great chew work out and perfect sized for small breed dogs but it's too bony to feed alone. You should feed organ meat alongside of that or at least within the same day. Or, if you can get some boneless meat of any protein source. The guideline is 80% muscle meat, 10% bone and 10% organ. You *could* overdo the organs which would result in runny poops. But if your dogs seem to be tolerating the amounts you're currently feeding them, then it's just fine! ;)
Some dogs don't like liver and that's ok. He may take to it later on. All organ meat is suitable, doesn't have to a specific one. Too much liver will cause the runs so introduce this gradually and see how the poops get so you'll know how much is too much. You're tweaking! ;)
Another day in prey model dog's paradise! :D :D :D

My little piglets had chicken this morning and something called excalibur from this place;
GreenTripe.Com Main Index
Tripe is pretty much the only thing what prey model feeders will feed ground up as it's extremely difficult to obtain whole! Also, ground up is easier to deal with as tripe is probably the most disgusting thing to feed as it looks horrible and stinks high to heaven!
Nadia


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Todays a week for us.

The most profound results are with the older lab, Zack.

When he came back to us with my DS six weeks ago he was very arthritic, his eyes were very cloudy and looking every bit his 14 years.

Three people have commented on the clearing of his eyes and his stiffness is nearly gone. He runs freely and can turn on a dime again.

His poops however are still loose so I'm trying to sort that one out.

Any suggestions?:confused:

Loose Poop
 

It took my kids a few weeks for there poops to even out. I say just give it some time. Your dog had been eating regular food for a very long time. A week is not a very long time. Plus, it takes the body a while to get adjusted to something new but I promise you the end result is sooo worth it! Best of luck to you and CONGRATS on Zack!!

Cool--thanks for the quick response:)---I will just keep a watch then on the poop thing.

Milo's poops evened out after a day and a half but then again he was being fed a dehydrated raw and home cooked organics so that's prob why his was so fast. Much less to detox from.

I also found a local butcher to work with. He's so friendly and helpful. He sells a ground organic raw out of his shop but did not put any pressure on me or make me feel bad for wanting to buy my own stuff instead of purchasing his.

He even threw in a bag of free chix rib bones.

That's great news! Good for you. :) Imagine how much better Zack must feel. I'll bet he's a happy boy.

On some dogs it does take a while to even out the BM's. Once they are used to the food, if their stools stay too runny, you might feed a little more bone - that helps to firm up the stools, too.

heartworm prev.
 

So, to back up to a thread a while back.... I have decided to not give my dogs the heartworm preventative. It is making me a little nervous, but as we said, those companies prey on our fear. My vet is not happy. She thinks every dog should be on it cause the risk is "so" high. I'm not too sure that the risk is that high. I realize it is there, but I guess I'm taking the chance anyway.

I have started my dogs on something called FleaTreats for flea/tick prevention. It's all natural and they say it is guaranteed or your money back... so we'll see. You give them small tablets every day. The dogs think they are treats. It makes a good training treat! My small dogs take one in the morning and one in the evening. My big dog, of course, takes more.

There is just no way I can put those insecticides into my dog's bodies any more. If they stayed on the skin that might be one thing, but of course it gets into their bloodstream.... not good.:animal-pa

I understand how you feel, I have been agonizing over it. However, being down at the campground for the summer, while we're not in the woods per se (it's a campground), it's still the country and I know there have been ticks around here, and the mosquitos can be brutal if we get a lot of rain as the terrain is uneven and has lots of areas of standing water. So I decided to give Revolution. It was the one most recommended on here and looks to be the least of all evils to me. We're trying to outdoor train the dogs (SoCo is 95% there, Bailey is at about 0%, but he just got here Saturday) so I can't take a chance as they are outside a lot.

Do I recall correctly that Zack is the one that was holding you back from the plunge? It's hard to convince people of the possible improvements you know will happen, until they see it for themselves. Most wonderful. Reports like this make me weep with joy. Now, watch for noticeable improvement in his teeth :D. My 14 y/o Mozart was very poor shape in his 8th year, when we made the switch to PMR. Arthritis so bad in his hind quarters, he would drag his leg. He still has bad days mid-winter; but, he moves about better than most his age, and will even use the stairs to get on the bed, now. It is SO GOOD to have him back, GALLOPING through the house on good days. Most here, know our story of how PMR saved his life when we made the switch , as he suffered severe digestive problems.Less organs and fat, a little more bone.

It was more of a, "Is this too good to be true?", thing holding me back.

I am so glad I finally did it--just the changes so far are unbelievable.

I have been reading these posts and ya'll convinced me! Tonite Coco and Maggie had there first raw meal! Maggie tore into it, she loved it! It took Coco a little bit and I had to separate them but she took well to it! I'm excited, it was nice seeing how much they enjoy it. So will it be ok if I just do chicken for breakfast and dinner for a week and then add more variety?:D

I have heard (and it's what I did, too) that they should stick to one kind of meat for a few weeks when just starting out. While their bodies are de-toxing and getting used the new diet, it can cause problems to feed them different kinds of meat too soon.

Also, it's good to know if one certain meat may cause a problem for them. By feeding one for a while, you'll know if it works ok for them. If they started eating 2 or 3 different kinds over a few weeks and a problem came up, you wouldn't know which meat was causing it.

I know it's fun at first and you want to try everything, but you have their whole lives to feed them and it's best to take it slowly.:)

After reading this entire thread and all of the links I have decided to switch my babies to raw tonight. I will start them on chicken legs . Thanks everyone for all the useful information.

Betty, Jack and Mia

Good luck! I think you'll be very happy. My 2 dogs love dinner time now and believe it or not, they did not really used to. My collie used to stand over her bowl of kibble guarding it until she got tired of that and ate it but more because she didn't want Zoe to eat it. Now they both enjoy the dinner meal so much more. And I never thought it would be a miracle cure but my collie came down the stairs this morning on her own for the first time in about a month so I'm becoming a real convert!

Butchers can usually order them by the case. If you have room in your freezer, that's a good way to go.:thumbup:

I asked this on the group page, but I'm gonna ask it here to. Can you feed free range raw eggs to your dogs and do you just kinda crack the egg shell and all into their bowl? I was thinking of doing this for their breakfast since I read to feed them once a day, but Coco is a little pig who gets mad without breakfast.

Raw Eggs
 

Yes, raw eggs is a part of the "menu". The first time I fed this, my dogs vomited right after. Second time, they didn't. They will play with the egg for a while but haven't figured out how to crack it as their little mouths don't fit over the entire egg so I crack it for them with shells and all. I would start by hard boiling the egg for about a minute, to get the white cooked a little, but the yellow is still runny, without the shells to put in their bowls a little mashed up. If they tolerated this well for a couple of times, move on to raw cracked without the shells. If all goes well, then by all means give them the whole thing raw, shells included! ;)
I would not really call that an everyday breakfast item though. I only feed eggs about once a week. If you need a quick meal in the AM because you're in a hurry or whatever, just feed them their organ meats and the RBM's in the PM. This approach is great for many working prey model feeders!

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So organ meats are livers, hearts, and gizzards, am I right? Just like a few for each of them? They are splitting a chicken quarter each evening, alternating who gets the drumstick each time. Maggie weighs about 6 lbs and Coco weighs about 8 lbs. Is this enough food or too much? Thanks for the info on the egg, I will wait on that a bit, cuz hubby is still kinda skeptical about this diet and if they puke he'll freak if he sees it right now. He keeps calling them salmonella breath. Crazy man:rolleyes: He'll get used to it though.

Yes, except that heart is considered a muscle meat, too. But, my experience has been that too much heart results in upset tummies. Well, my Abigail is around 8lbs, and she never eats a whole thigh or dumstick at one sitting. But, yours are still regulating. I wouldn't let them eat all the bone each time. I'm guessing poo is rather dry. Mine won't eat egg - at all. I've tried them cracked, opened, sort of scrambled all up with shell. Just won't eat it. Thank goodness it's not a staple. Once hubby gets a few after-meal kissies, and realizes he's survived, he'll relax. ;) Abigail delights in coming in right after a meal and slapping a sweet yorkie kiss right on my mouth. Now, you might wonder why I would allow that in the first place....?? I think I wanted personal knowledge, that this is safe for my family. Now, I wouldn't want her rolling in it and then rolling all over my furniture; but, her external coat does not have the bacteria-fighting enzymes that her mouth does. Food enters, and bacteria (if any) are neutralized.

Here's the list of animal organs, also known as offal;
heart, lungs, brain, eye, stomach, spleen, pancreas, kidneys, liver, intestines, skin, urinary bladder, testicles and uterus. Gizzards as well, yes. ;)
You don't have to feed ALL on that list. For example, I don't feed brain, eye (only in fish) and the sex organs. I have never had the bladder available and the stomach only as stomach lining in the form of tripe. I DO feed the trachea and the gullet as those are natural carriers of chondroitin sulfate. I'm currently debating if I should order a half a cow or pig, that way I could get all of those "weird" things to feed my dogs while I get to keep the good cuts to cook for my family.
As far as your hubby goes; you could tell him that only because a dog eats k*bble, does not mean his poop or saliva is sanitary or even sterile, lol.

Where are you able to find the trachea and the gullet? I'm just wondering and hoping that might help my older collie. Her back hips bother her but I'm hopeful as this a.m. was the first time she's been able to come down the stairs on her own in a month. I'm hoping it wasn't just a good day but that her new diet is the reason. :)

Too much food
 

sorry, I didn't address that one; My boy Toy weighs 10 pounds and he *can* eat an entire chicken drumstick in one sitting if he's really hungry, but if he does, then he'll only get a little organs and a few bits of boneless meat that night. My Gia weighs over 5 pounds and I chop her drumstick in half which is plenty for a meal for her! But every dog is different and has different needs. A younger dog or puppy will consume more than a senior dog. How do your dogs look to you? Feel the dog's ribs, not see them is the rule! I also agree with Abigail's mom; your dogs are learning to self regulate, as I'm surprised to hear that your dogs can actually put that much food away every night! LOL :p
Are you feeding once or twice a day?

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