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The Benefits Of A Prey Model Diet Hi all, I was asked by lilyorkiemama on another thread to list the benefits specifically on the prey model diet. I know some of my friends here feed pre-made RAW by Nature's Variety, Primal, Bravo and the likes!!! :D:D:D And those have reported similar positives observed in their Yorkies as well! But I just wanted to list the aspects of the prey model feeding method! 1.) No nasty doggie smell without constantly bathing baby! 2.) Naturally cleans teeth, no need for tooth brushing or expensive anesthesia induced ( can be dangerous!) teeth scalings/cleanings. Prey model fed dogs have sweet smelling breath, white teeth and no gum disease! 3.) It takes the dog some time to chew/rip at a meaty bone which gives his stomach adequate time to produce the acids and naturally occurring enzymes aiding in digestion. No need to supplement with enzymes! 4.) Stool volume! Most prey model fed dogs only poop once a day, leaving a small, firm, black pellet behind that does not stink and will decinagrate if left in the yard. 5.) Your dogs are much healthier and those frequent trips to the Vet become virtually non-existent meaning more money in your pocket! 6.) Feeding prey model costs less than premium kibble brands! 7.) Today's dogs have the same exact biochemical make up of gray wolves (dog's ancestor), the digestive tract works the same and is equipped by nature to deal with bacteria. This is how a dog in the wild would eat. 8.) Prey model fed puppies avoid quick and unnatural growth spurts. Runts have a better chance at catching up to their littermates, developing normal. 9.) The ripping, tearing and crunching gives the dog the kind of work out it would never have eating a commercial diet. It develops the jaw, neck and shoulder muscles. 10.) Prey model fed dogs are healthier than their commercial fed counterparts and a lot leaner! Obesity induced illnesses like diabetes are avoided! 11.) Feeding a RAW prey model diet allows the dog to utilize 100% of the proteins and other important nutrients found in raw meat, bones and organs. Cooked and processed food sources are not tolerated well by carnivores in the long run. Feeding supplements is unnatural therefore the outcome is unpredictable. 12.) Healthy, shiny coats and skin. 13.) A happy, healthy, long living, well balanced dog to stay with us for a long time! These points are about the gist of it. Please feel free to add to the points made, my fellow prey modelers! :thumbup::aimeeyork:love::thumbs up Nadia </IMG></IMG></IMG></IMG></IMG></IMG></IMG> |
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How do you feed it to them without spreading bacteria, etc? I know my chi like to drag is food around. I wouldn't want to make my family sick. |
Where to feed 3 Attachment(s) Dogs should be trained to eat at their spot and NOT be allowed to drag around their food all over the house. Some people feed in the backyard but the following is what I do; I purchased an Xpen (petco). I place an old king size sheet (double up) on the floor in a designated area, in my case; the Arizona room (covered patio) and arrange the Xpen around that sheet. I put each baby inside the pen and hand them each their food and wash my hands (you can wear latex gloves). My dogs are pros now and won't leave anything behind but whatever is left after about 2 hours (they want to take breaks in between) I toss out. I baby wipe each baby's muzzle and feet, put away the Xpen and toss the sheet in my washing machine (no fabric softener) so it can be ready for next feeding. Done. I made my own natural, non toxic disinfectant/cleaner for countertops and such. Part white vinegar and water, little hydrogen peroxide and lemon juice. I have a 7 year old and the dogs lick him and us all the time, we're still alive! LOL ;) In these pictures I have used pee pee pads as floor protectant but this didn't work too well as the food got stuck to it, lol. The exposure is also not the best. Taken with my cell phone... </IMG> |
Primal Raw Diet Thank you for posting the benefits of feeding a raw diet. I agree 100%. I have just started feeding Primal chicken nuggets to my two Yorkies. age 6. One Primal chicken nugget provides 13 ounces of protein. Should I feed them 1 nugget per meal if I am adding 2T of raw veggies to their meal? They weigh 5.4 lbs each. Jane |
Primal Nuggets Jane, Primal and other brands are pre-made and formulated to the BARF diet. These ground nuggets/patties already include everything; meat, bone, organ, veggies/fruit, supplements in some cases. I highly advise you to NOT add any more vegetables to those nuggets as you would be feeding 50% :eek::eek::eek: vegetables, something carnivores don't even need and cannot utilize! None the less, ONE nugget per meal is not enough unless you're feeding sub 2 pounders. Your Yorkies should each be able to eat a least 3 nuggets per feeding twice a day. Are your babies just right or too skinny? Quote:
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Primal Raw Diet My babies, age 6, weigh about 5.0 lbs and are losing weight. I was afraid to feed more than 1 nugget for fear it would be too much protein and maybe cause loose stools. Jane |
Only ONE nugget????? I'm always happy to help clear up misinformation and myths! I'm glad you went and looked for answers! I PM'ed you! Quote:
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I have a yorkie, Brooke, that has a brain disease and she is on chemo, which makes her immune surpressed. I am not sure if NV or other raw diets can be fed to her safely. I am homecooking for my dogs and think that it is the safest thing I can do right now. Any info you have will be appreciated! |
Sick Yorkie on RAW??? Brooke, Why do you feel that home cooking is the best for you? Have you done research into the matter yet? Are you worried that your sick baby can't tolerate raw? I have a dog with an immune disease called Systemic Yeast Infection. It goes beyond just the skin problems. This ailment has crept into his entire body, his organs, his digestive system even his eyes! I feel this was brought on by feeding him the wrong diet for 11 years and giving him annual shots, heart worm prevention, constant meds and flea/tick preventatives. Basically my dog was pumped full of poisons, toxins and pesticides because I listened to the people who should know better: VETS! Dogs can't properly utilize cooked foods, veggies/fruit, grains. They thrive on proteins in the raw form as they are the same as gray wolves, speaking in terms of evolution. Dogs are carnivores NOT omnivores. Salmonella poisoning and parasite infestation are sentences used by scaremongers who either profit from selling kibble or who do not know anything about RAW because they're inept about RAW feeding or both. Most Vets will not advocate prey model feeding or pre-made even. But I really don't need the approval of somebody who had his nutrition class in college sponsored by Science Diet! My (now) healthy dogs are living proof that eating the way I feed was how it was meant to be! Thousands of other people around the world are feeding this way and before kibble was invented by greedy people, raw was how dogs were fed! I'm a member of several raw and prey model support groups on yahoo and people on those lists report similar success stories with their dogs and raw. If and before you switch, I highly recommend joining these and doing tons of research. The best website is rawlearning dot com and rawfed dot com Home cooking is something that I feel is pretty much the same as kibble except that it's now not mystery meat. Nutrients are cooked out. Unnatural supplements are put back in and the dog's digestive system is forced to deal with an onslaught of all the wrong ingredients on a daily basis. I fed grain free kibble and I home cooked. I started raw with the pre-made, ground versions aka NV, Primal etc. I've been feeding prey model for a year now and would never go back to pre-made, but I do think it's a great way to get started and to make the switch easier for baby and momma! Especially sick dogs will detox in the beginning but that's nothing to fear but something to embrace! It's proof that positive things are ahead for the dog! ;) </IMG> |
Sorry! :eek::eek::eek::eek: Brooke is the Yorkie in question, not mom! Again, sorry yorkiechick! LOL |
What I meant to say was; dogs should NOT be allowed to drag their RAW, meaty bones all over the house as that's gross and we wanna keep those meat juices nice and neatly contained into a manageable area which we can then clean! ;) [quote=RawfedYorkieLuv;1946366]Dogs should be trained to eat at their spot and NOT be allowed to drag around their food all over the house. </IMG> |
So they eat chicken legs twice a day? Anything else? Thank you:cool: |
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Chicken Legs, that's it? No, this was just an example of the menu. My dogs have been through all of the meats and organs so now I feed whatever I can get, whatever is on sale, whatever I can kill that doesn't get away from me, lol :p (joking!) Here it goes; Organ meats and parts of animals: Green unbleached tripe, trachea, gullet, spleen, liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart, gizzards, tongue, feet, chicken parts, turkey parts.... beef, pork, lamb, goat, rabbit (they didn't care for that too much), fish, eggs. Soon I will be feeding deer, bear, caribou and wild fresh sockeye salmon as we are planning a trip to Alaska to visit some family. I have fed ostrich and buffalo before. It's expensive and counts as the more exotic meats that are not very often in rotation. Last night they had beef riblets for dinner and a side of pork kidneys. This morning they got turkey breast pieces and a bit of beef heart. Each dog is different and has different needs, which is something that comes to light when switching to prey model. My senior dog can't handle too much bone (constipation) and needs a little extra organ meats. My puppy is very tiny and I have to cut into the meaty bone with a knife so she'll be able to get anything off, she'll get stronger over time though! My 1 year old can't handle too much pork fat or chicken skin or she'll vomit, the other dogs have no issue with that. This is normal, other raw feeder report similar quirks. This and other topics of prey model is what we raw feeders discuss on the other forums. Of course, where to score bargain meat is on top of every prey model feeder's list. I have purchased a 18 pound turkey for 29 cents per pound recently. Between 3 Yorkies, I feed about 20 pounds of food a month. This turkey has been cut up in more manageable pieces and frozen to store in my Yorkie's freezer. The other day my butcher gave me 4 pounds each of chicken gizzards and livers for free! Pork necks were on sale at my local ethnic supermarket for 46 cents per pound. And so on and so forth. I scout the meat sale sections every week, some people only have time to do so once a month. I stock up on what's on sale, sometimes I just buy what's not on sale because I want my dogs to eat a certain animal or cut. There are also ways to feed this way while you're away from your house! We are currently at our weekend condo in Mexico and I feed them their customary diet here just the same. It takes a little more planning and prep work but it can be done! My dog's health comes before my own convenience, that's for sure! ;) Thanks for asking and thank you for your interest!!!! :D Nadia Quote:
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Thank you Nadia for explaining this. I know what you meant about dragging the food around. I was just confused because I was taught, when cooking you are supposed to make sure that raw meat juices are cleaned from counters, etc. to prevent the spread of bacteria and such. I didn't think you would get it from the dog licking you. I was just wondering about it getting on the floors and such. I have showed this thread to hubby and he still isn't convinced. He thinks we should cook the meat. Can you send me the link to the other forum so we could read up on it. Thanks |
Links Of Interest! I hear ya about convincing the hubby! I had to work on mine just as well! But I showed him my evidence from my research and appealed to his common sense. He loves our dogs just as much as I do and wants their best which I'm sure is the case with you guys as well. But don't just take MY word and experience for it, there's tons of good reading stuff out there! These sites offer A LOT of info and it takes some time to read it all! But I advise you to NOT skip over anything. Especially read the "Boo Hiss" section from the first link on the far right! The second link is the most compelling in regards to the fears most people have associated with RAW feeding. Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site The Many Myths of Raw Feeding The yahoo forum(s) and discussion groups I'm a member of; rawfeeding : Raw Feeding for dogs and cats! I'm a member of a few local groups and most cities now have local specific support groups as well! You're in Washington state, correct? PSRawFeedCo-op : Puget Sound Raw Feeding Co-op Good luck with convincing your loved ones! It's really a fun, exciting and eye opening experience for the entire family! My 7 year old son now says; "That's bad food" when seeing a kibble commercial on TV!..... :cool: :thumbup: :D I'm quite sure that when he's an adult and choses to have dogs, he won't make the same mistakes I made and will feed a species appropriate diet to his furry friend right from the start! Quote:
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ohhh I'm loving this thread! I just switched my two dogs to prey model raw two days ago. I have an older collie and a one year old yorkie. They are both doing great but I do have a question.... they both look to me to hold the meat for them. I started with chicken breasts on the first day and yesterday we had chicken legs and thighs. No stomach upset and they seem happy with it but they just don't quite know how to eat it. I don't really much like touching the raw meat although I imagine I'll get used to it but sitting there holding it is certainly not what I had anticipated. Any suggestions? I'm hoping they'll get the hang of it soon. :) Also, I plan to stay within the chicken family for a few weeks to allow their system to adjust, but do you think chicken livers would be too much to add at this time? I read it was a bit rich and I'm trying to take it slow but I think my older collie might be a tad contipated, but she was on the kibble so she might be fine but thought I might try that? What do you think? |
thank you sooo much for the post! My girls are currently on Premade NV raw but they get chicking wings once in a while and We love feeding raw! they are super healthy and super strong! oh, gotta love the small poops!:D |
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I'm still scared but interested as we are in process of building this year and are going to be raising our own, beef, chickens, sheep, goats etc so would have a very viable organic source for this. How do I get past go, so to speak. I have my 18 month old yorkie--whi I give bits of raw meat when I am cooking dinner and my DS's 14 year old lab who gets the squids with anything other than a good quality kibble. Sorry for all the q's.:o |
Yippppeeee! Another PMR feeder! First, A big ol' "Howdy" to the OP! Good to see another PMR (prey model RAW) feeder, here. There is a long thread, here discussing the benefits / differences in PMR and pre-packaged. A LOT of info, there. Also, the links in my sig line have tons of information. |
Ok, I know it's not prey model but I want to work my way to that. I was wondering if I can give my dogs a NV medallion in the morning and then let them free feed with Orijen puppy kibble for the rest of the day. Someone mentioned waiting between raw and kibble. How long do you have to wait? |
Holding the food??? tjdmom, You made the switch!!! Hooray to that! Two days really hasn't been that long so it's a pretty common occurence for dogs that never had the prey model experience to not "get it" at first. Kibble is sprayed with good smelling fat and raw meat doesn't have that strong of a smell to it. Some dogs don't even get that this is supposed to be food. Holding it a little in the beginning is absolutely normal. My oldest likes me to sit and watch him for a bit and I egg him on by saying; "eat your boney, eat your boney!!!!!" If your pups don't get any other source of food, then they'll learn even faster! If a dog also gets kibble or pre-made or whatever then he's more likely to be reluctant about having to "work" on his food vs. gulping it down! I also walk/exercise my dogs before a feed and that seems to do the trick every time! That also mimics the chase a wild wolf does to stalk, chase and kill his prey. But that one is more in my head I think, LOL :D Feeding organ meats is an important aspect of any raw feeding but you are right to be concerned. A dog new to all of this can get the runny poops if not used the organ meats. But do try to give just a LITTLE once a day. Then gradually step up the game until you reach about 10%. Meaning that if your dogs eats 1 pound of chicken (for example) per day then he should be getting 1.6 ounces of organ meats of any source. Don't be a slave to the numbers though, these are just guidelines. Let your dog(s) be your guide. Constipation in a prey model dog usually means he's getting to much bone which is the case for my senior Yorkie and seems to be the case with other senior dogs. Giving your Colli some livers and gizzards should solve the his problem. This might be an indication however that he will need extra muscle meat and organs on a daily basis. I feed my Toy a tad bit extra muscle meat and organs everyday, aside from his usual meaty bones. Yes, stick with the chicken for at least a week if not more. ;) Too much variety, too soon is a mistake many beginners make. Dogs, unlike humans will not complain about; "Chicken for dinner-AGAIN!!!???:eek:" LOL Quote:
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Poops! Good for you and your babies! Yep, loving those poops! LOL :D:D:D Only dog lovers get that one, right, girls!? P.S. I LOVE the name "Tumi", that's so cute! Quote:
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glad to see a Prey Model thread here :) :thumbup: so many people dont know the difference between the packaged raw and prey model so this is a great educational tool! thanks to the OP for this thread and i look forward to learning and helping out where i can here :) |
Omg!!! ....I so envy you! Raising your own organic animals to be able to feed to my babies is a dream come true!!!! How lucky your dogs are! :) You said you're still reluctant to switch? What exactly are you stalling on? What do you need help with? Maybe we could nudge you! :p Quote:
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Thank you! Hi Abbie's Mom, So glad to see you here! Thank you so much for contributing to the information! :):):) Quote:
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Cool, another one!!!! Hi!!! :) Welcome and thanks for contributing! I agree, information is really crucial! Quote:
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Easing your way into RAW Don't worry, I won't flame you for that! ;) You should wait 12 hours in between raw and kibble, others do it differently and some even combine the two. I personally do not advise this, however, if you really WANT to feed the kibble then you can. But why would you? Variety? One Medallion won't be enough unless you have a sub 2 pounder. Quote:
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Waking up to a kitchen explosion of his digestive distress is not fun. :( |
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