New threads that are intended to start problems

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by Jaspermom

Well, I just browsed thru the thread this is obviously referring to, and you're correct, I completely opened my mouth and stuck in my foot. Maybe they should put "NEWBIE" back up there by my name, whatcha think?

Keep on keeping it real, Kathy!

Nope my dear- you are a newbie and doing a great job. You sure are a quick learner. I congratulate you. Some folks/newbies are not so quick to grasp the problem and can be led down a road that can cause them a lot of problems and pain. You keep a learning and asking those questions and help the next newbie who needs assistance.

[Jaspermom]

Thanks, Kathy! You make me smile!!

Originally Posted by wnalegria

Nope my dear- you are a newbie and doing a great job. You sure are a quick learner. I congratulate you. Some folks/newbies are not so quick to grasp the problem and can be led down a road that can cause them a lot of problems and pain. You keep a learning and asking those questions and help the next newbie who needs assistance.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

Nope my dear- you are a newbie and doing a great job. You sure are a quick learner. I congratulate you. Some folks/newbies are not so quick to grasp the problem and can be led down a road that can cause them a lot of problems and pain. You keep a learning and asking those questions and help the next newbie who needs assistance.

I TOTALLY agree we need a group hug

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

I will say that I have seen some misinformation being espoused and it is important to make sure that ALL points of view are represented so the member with the concern is fully educated and can then be in a better position to make an intelligent decision. It is also important to make sure you cite your source or state that it is just an opinion or even relate a personal experience to help a situation.

I feel that the majority of people who have found this forum are not stupid, do not need to be treated like children, and be "protected", but rather, are smart enough to sift through the info presented and make good decisions.

I am also the eternal optimist so I rarely think thet someone is a "troll" or on here just to cause trouble...I mean what would be the point? I choose to believe in the good of others until we discover differently with valid evidence and even then, people make mistakes, and if someone admits a mistake, and apologizes, then I think they deserve our respect again. It is how any society operates.

I enjoy learning and I enjoy sharing the info and knowledge I acquire.

This board is a wealth of info and everyone on here has looked for anwers here at one time or another...plus, there is a wonderful sense of community and we are able to celebrate and discuss other issues besides yorkeis so that we actually have "internet friends"!!

[wnalegria]

"In response to Feminvstr's post"... (post not shown due to being previously deleted)

I agree when a member posts that a professional such as a vet has gave them information I see no problem in stating the name of the person who gave you this information. Being vaugue about who these people are is a diservice to the rest of the members of YT. IMO it makes it look as though you are trying to hide something. What if someone lives close to this specialist and doesn't ever know it. This member might need the services of this specialist. I like to know names cause I may have a question that I want to ask them directly- could make a differance in the life or death of a puppy or adultmine or someone elses. A second oppion never hurts.

You share and are truthful and honnest with those around you and you are rewarded with numerous friends who will do the same thing for you. You won't have friends unless you are willing to be a friend.

If Jane/John Doe provides me with knowledge that is true and factual I am pleased to share it with everyone here. I am not ashamed to give the name of my source and welcome anyone to check with them just in case I might have misunderstood or did not ask the right questions.

[megan_kat22]

I love YorkieTalk, can't get enough of it. And there are discussions (such as the recent ones about breeding "tinies") that I am interested in and would like to learn from, not just read arguments over and over.

There are SOO many different opinions on every subject, they can all be represented, please let this forum serve that purpose. To let people read good and valuable information and use it to their advantage.

I think you made a very good point Wnalegria. I would like to have become a part of quite a few discussions, but did not wish to enter a bad situation as most of these controversial threads turn into. I don't really think that should happen, especially to newcomer's.

We can all share our opinions, and back up our reasoning, continuing to keep YT an awesome forum right?

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by megan_kat22

I love YorkieTalk, can't get enough of it. And there are discussions (such as the recent ones about breeding "tinies") that I am interested in and would like to learn from, not just read arguments over and over.

There are SOO many different opinions on every subject, they can all be represented, please let this forum serve that purpose. To let people read good and valuable information and use it to their advantage.

I think you made a very good point Wnalegria. I would like to have become a part of quite a few discussions, but did not wish to enter a bad situation as most of these controversial threads turn into. I don't really think that should happen, especially to newcomer's.

We can all share our opinions, and back up our reasoning, continuing to keep YT an awesome forum right?

I sure hope that we can. Many of us who are long of tooth will tell you how we learned. The hard way. We all had mentors who shared the same info that we share with you- being young and know it alls we tried doing our own thing sometimes with terrible results. We don't want the same thing to happen to you. We care about you. That is why many have concerns about some of the advice that is given.

Medical advancements make some procedures less frightening then in the 70's 80's and 90's. But the bottom line is what is right for our dog and the benefit of the breed. IMO you either love this breed and want to protect and promote it or you find another one. For example do you want poor quality dogs bred so that in ten years you can not tell them from a mixed breed. You purchse this breed and any other purebred dog because you like the look, and characteristics of that breed.

We can share our thoughts , back up our reasoning, and not turn every thread into a discussion that is just one persons ongoing soapbox. What is it Dr. Phil states" It ain't about you."

[Sherry Lynn]

Okay Kathy, I'll jump in. I had my mom here for the weekend and have been popping in and out, but saw what you mean, and its the same ol same ol!

Before I say my piece, let me just add all the disclaimers we've been advised would be in my best interest. I MEAN NO OFFENCE - THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION - AND ALL CHARACTERS IN MY STORY ARE MADE UP AND NOT BASED ON AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL!

This is a Yorkie site, full of people who love and want the best for the breed and their pets. Knowing this one would expect that there would be a majority opinion about what is good, best and just.

Being from a Jewish family, with relatives who have first-hand accounts of the Holocaust, I often have thought of this comparison. I don't mean to sound harsh, but lets play extreme make believe...

What if this were a site for Holocaust survivors and the majority of the members came on because they either were Holocaust survivors or are decendents of Holocaust survivors. Most of these members would be of the same general mindset. Different backgrounds, different life experiences, but this one thing in common. They could disagree, debate, laugh, enjoy - but the underlying current would still be the same thing that brought them to the site for fellowship.

Then lets say an antisemetic Nazi (re-read disclaimer here) found the site and joined. Now it is this persons belief that there was nothing wrong with the way that Jewish people were treated during WWII or even that there was no such thing as a concentration camp. (Yes there are people that hold the belief that the images from concetration camps were created propoganda intented to harm Hitler's reputation.)

This member is well within their rights to state their opinion. Hey it's the Internet and anyone can post their opinion. We should just accept our differences and turn the other cheek, right.

But then this person gets all offended and feels persecuted because the majority of the people on the site don't agree. After all, this person just wanted to state their side of the story and all of a sudden the majority were ganging up on them. They were the victim of a mob mentality!! Heck, the majority should apologize for being closed minded!!

So thread after thread, post after post, this person is going to make it their mission to convert the majority to their way of thinking.

Now you have to consider the majority. They have the memories and the numbered tatoos on their arms, or they have sat at grandma's knees and heard the stories. So naturally they have some pretty strong opinions and feelings on the topic.

Do you think anyone would ever be able to change their mind? Do you think they would ever except the minority opinion with open arms and without argument? Do you think they would ever apologize to someone whose typed word was so hurtful?

In a perfect world maybe. In reality, I seriously doubt it...

(Now remember, we're playing extreme make believe but I just want to insert another disclaimer here.)

Now is the anti-semetic person doing this for the right reasons, or simply to stir up controversy? Surely there are other anti-semetics and Nazis out there with websites and blogs and chats where the majority is of the same opinion. Would it not be better for this person to join one of those sites or create their own? Would that not also be a way to get their point of view across??

I personally just have to wonder and question the integrity...

IF YOUR STILL WITH ME AFTER SUCH A LONG POST - PLEASE RE-READ THE DISCLAIMER AT THE TOP YET ANOTHER TIME.

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by Sherry Lynn

Okay Kathy, I'll jump in. I had my mom here for the weekend and have been popping in and out, but saw what you mean, and its the same ol same ol!

Before I say my piece, let me just add all the disclaimers we've been advised would be in my best interest. I MEAN NO OFFENCE - THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION - AND ALL CHARACTERS IN MY STORY ARE MADE UP AND NOT BASED ON AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL!

This is a Yorkie site, full of people who love and want the best for the breed and their pets. Knowing this one would expect that there would be a majority opinion about what is good, best and just.

Being from a Jewish family, with relatives who have first-hand accounts of the Holocaust, I often have thought of this comparison. I don't mean to sound harsh, but lets play extreme make believe...

What if this were a site for Holocaust survivors and the majority of the members came on because they either were Holocaust survivors or are decendents of Holocaust survivors. Most of these members would be of the same general mindset. Different backgrounds, different life experiences, but this one thing in common. They could disagree, debate, laugh, enjoy - but the underlying current would still be the same thing that brought them to the site for fellowship.

Then lets say an antisemetic Nazi (re-read disclaimer here) found the site and joined. Now it is this persons belief that there was nothing wrong with the way that Jewish people were treated during WWII or even that there was no such thing as a concentration camp. (Yes there are people that hold the belief that the images from concetration camps were created propoganda intented to harm Hitler's reputation.)

This member is well within their rights to state their opinion. Hey it's the Internet and anyone can post their opinion. We should just accept our differences and turn the other cheek, right.

But then this person gets all offended and feels persecuted because the majority of the people on the site don't agree. After all, this person just wanted to state their side of the story and all of a sudden the majority were ganging up on them. They were the victim of a mob mentality!! Heck, the majority should apologize for being closed minded!!

So thread after thread, post after post, this person is going to make it their mission to convert the majority to their way of thinking.

Now you have to consider the majority. They have the memories and the numbered tatoos on their arms, or they have sat at grandma's knees and heard the stories. So naturally they have some pretty strong opinions and feelings on the topic.

Do you think anyone would ever be able to change their mind? Do you think they would ever except the minority opinion with open arms and without argument? Do you think they would ever apologize to someone whose typed word was so hurtful?

In a perfect world maybe. In reality, I seriously doubt it...

(Now remember, we're playing extreme make believe but I just want to insert another disclaimer here.)

Now is the anti-semetic person doing this for the right reasons, or simply to stir up controversy? Surely there are other anti-semetics and Nazis out there with websites and blogs and chats where the majority is of the same opinion. Would it not be better for this person to join one of those sites or create their own? Would that not also be a way to get their point of view across??

I personally just have to wonder and question the integrity...

IF YOUR STILL WITH ME AFTER SUCH A LONG POST - PLEASE RE-READ THE DISCLAIMER AT THE TOP YET ANOTHER TIME.

Thank you for putting this in the context of another example. I can follow your example extremely well and thank you for taking the time to word it so eloquently!

[luv4yorkies]

well said

[txshopper73]

All I can say is WOW!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

All I can say is WOW!

Ditto!

[PlatinumYorkies]

GREAT POST !!!! "yell intended"

Originally Posted by Sherry Lynn

Okay Kathy, I'll jump in. I had my mom here for the weekend and have been popping in and out, but saw what you mean, and its the same ol same ol!

Before I say my piece, let me just add all the disclaimers we've been advised would be in my best interest. I MEAN NO OFFENCE - THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION - AND ALL CHARACTERS IN MY STORY ARE MADE UP AND NOT BASED ON AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL!

This is a Yorkie site, full of people who love and want the best for the breed and their pets. Knowing this one would expect that there would be a majority opinion about what is good, best and just.

Being from a Jewish family, with relatives who have first-hand accounts of the Holocaust, I often have thought of this comparison. I don't mean to sound harsh, but lets play extreme make believe...

What if this were a site for Holocaust survivors and the majority of the members came on because they either were Holocaust survivors or are decendents of Holocaust survivors. Most of these members would be of the same general mindset. Different backgrounds, different life experiences, but this one thing in common. They could disagree, debate, laugh, enjoy - but the underlying current would still be the same thing that brought them to the site for fellowship.

Then lets say an antisemetic Nazi (re-read disclaimer here) found the site and joined. Now it is this persons belief that there was nothing wrong with the way that Jewish people were treated during WWII or even that there was no such thing as a concentration camp. (Yes there are people that hold the belief that the images from concetration camps were created propoganda intented to harm Hitler's reputation.)

This member is well within their rights to state their opinion. Hey it's the Internet and anyone can post their opinion. We should just accept our differences and turn the other cheek, right.

But then this person gets all offended and feels persecuted because the majority of the people on the site don't agree. After all, this person just wanted to state their side of the story and all of a sudden the majority were ganging up on them. They were the victim of a mob mentality!! Heck, the majority should apologize for being closed minded!!

So thread after thread, post after post, this person is going to make it their mission to convert the majority to their way of thinking.

Now you have to consider the majority. They have the memories and the numbered tatoos on their arms, or they have sat at grandma's knees and heard the stories. So naturally they have some pretty strong opinions and feelings on the topic.

Do you think anyone would ever be able to change their mind? Do you think they would ever except the minority opinion with open arms and without argument? Do you think they would ever apologize to someone whose typed word was so hurtful?

In a perfect world maybe. In reality, I seriously doubt it...

(Now remember, we're playing extreme make believe but I just want to insert another disclaimer here.)

Now is the anti-semetic person doing this for the right reasons, or simply to stir up controversy? Surely there are other anti-semetics and Nazis out there with websites and blogs and chats where the majority is of the same opinion. Would it not be better for this person to join one of those sites or create their own? Would that not also be a way to get their point of view across??

I personally just have to wonder and question the integrity...

IF YOUR STILL WITH ME AFTER SUCH A LONG POST - PLEASE RE-READ THE DISCLAIMER AT THE TOP YET ANOTHER TIME.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Sherry Lynn

Okay Kathy, I'll jump in. I had my mom here for the weekend and have been popping in and out, but saw what you mean, and its the same ol same ol!

Before I say my piece, let me just add all the disclaimers we've been advised would be in my best interest. I MEAN NO OFFENCE - THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION - AND ALL CHARACTERS IN MY STORY ARE MADE UP AND NOT BASED ON AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL!

This is a Yorkie site, full of people who love and want the best for the breed and their pets. Knowing this one would expect that there would be a majority opinion about what is good, best and just.

Being from a Jewish family, with relatives who have first-hand accounts of the Holocaust, I often have thought of this comparison. I don't mean to sound harsh, but lets play extreme make believe...

What if this were a site for Holocaust survivors and the majority of the members came on because they either were Holocaust survivors or are decendents of Holocaust survivors. Most of these members would be of the same general mindset. Different backgrounds, different life experiences, but this one thing in common. They could disagree, debate, laugh, enjoy - but the underlying current would still be the same thing that brought them to the site for fellowship.

Then lets say an antisemetic Nazi (re-read disclaimer here) found the site and joined. Now it is this persons belief that there was nothing wrong with the way that Jewish people were treated during WWII or even that there was no such thing as a concentration camp. (Yes there are people that hold the belief that the images from concetration camps were created propoganda intented to harm Hitler's reputation.)

This member is well within their rights to state their opinion. Hey it's the Internet and anyone can post their opinion. We should just accept our differences and turn the other cheek, right.

But then this person gets all offended and feels persecuted because the majority of the people on the site don't agree. After all, this person just wanted to state their side of the story and all of a sudden the majority were ganging up on them. They were the victim of a mob mentality!! Heck, the majority should apologize for being closed minded!!

So thread after thread, post after post, this person is going to make it their mission to convert the majority to their way of thinking.

Now you have to consider the majority. They have the memories and the numbered tatoos on their arms, or they have sat at grandma's knees and heard the stories. So naturally they have some pretty strong opinions and feelings on the topic.

Do you think anyone would ever be able to change their mind? Do you think they would ever except the minority opinion with open arms and without argument? Do you think they would ever apologize to someone whose typed word was so hurtful?

In a perfect world maybe. In reality, I seriously doubt it...

(Now remember, we're playing extreme make believe but I just want to insert another disclaimer here.)

Now is the anti-semetic person doing this for the right reasons, or simply to stir up controversy? Surely there are other anti-semetics and Nazis out there with websites and blogs and chats where the majority is of the same opinion. Would it not be better for this person to join one of those sites or create their own? Would that not also be a way to get their point of view across??

I personally just have to wonder and question the integrity...

IF YOUR STILL WITH ME AFTER SUCH A LONG POST - PLEASE RE-READ THE DISCLAIMER AT THE TOP YET ANOTHER TIME.

Great post, after a while it really makes you wonder. Why???

[MeganS]

Originally Posted by megan_kat22

I love YorkieTalk, can't get enough of it. And there are discussions (such as the recent ones about breeding "tinies") that I am interested in and would like to learn from, not just read arguments over and over.

There are SOO many different opinions on every subject, they can all be represented, please let this forum serve that purpose. To let people read good and valuable information and use it to their advantage.

I think you made a very good point Wnalegria. I would like to have become a part of quite a few discussions, but did not wish to enter a bad situation as most of these controversial threads turn into. I don't really think that should happen, especially to newcomer's.

We can all share our opinions, and back up our reasoning, continuing to keep YT an awesome forum right?

Thank you, Megan. I think you just said what everyone was thinking.

Why does every thread like this have to end up as an argument? Can't we just all respect each others' opinions? Why is it that when someone says something you don't agree with everyone starts jumping down each others throats? A good healthy debate is wonderful, thats just fine. But a lot of these threads end up with arguments. I think we should just try to talk it out like mature human beings. I think we need a group hug!