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07-02-2007, 12:40 PM | #91 |
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| I'm so sorry about your grandmother. I'm so happy that no crystals were found! That's great new! Hopefully getting her on a better diet will keep those allergies and crystals under control!
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07-02-2007, 04:00 PM | #92 | |
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i told the vet that she is allergic to corn so when she talks to the nutritionist to let them know that. she also needs to lose weight. she is not active hardly at all anymore and that's the problem. we have to be careful with her trachea problems to keep her excitement level down. i hope we can find something that works for her. | |
07-03-2007, 01:23 PM | #93 |
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| I am so glad that she doesn't have stones!! Wonderful news It sounds like your new vet is on top of things! Remember that some stones are only visible through ultrasound though. Miko's stones cannot be seen on an x-ray only on ultrasound.
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07-03-2007, 04:23 PM | #94 |
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| samies food: ok- talked to the vet today and she said she talked to the nutritionit at Hills. They suggested putting Samie on Hills Science Diet W/D. I am very hesitant to start her on this as the other food she was on the main ingredient was corn and so is this food. Not exact ingredients but the first ingredient is listed as CORN. Samie was scooting really bad-(which was what started this thread) since I changed her food to canidae (temporarily- b/c the Purina pres diet was causing her to have an allergic reaction in her digestive tract) thus making her miserable and scoot every day -all day long. I told the vet that I didn't want to give her this and she told me that Samie may not have been allergic to the food she was on before. HOW? when that was all she ate? and since I changed it she is not scooting anymore???? I am so scared to give her this hills diet now b/c ithe main ingred is corn. I don't want to feed her this. I know i can't feed her the canidae b/c she does need to be on a special diet. I need to find out if anyone else has a yorkie on a special diet b/c of crystals in the urine. I am going to post another thread b/c I need to feed her correctly otherwise her problem is just going to get worse. and I just don't know what to do. she has to eat... and I can't relax until I know she will be okay on the new food. The vet also gave me Potassium Citrate Granules to put on her food. Each dose of this will give her 300 mg potassium citrate added to her diet. I need more info before I switch her food again. there has got to be somebody out here that has the same issues or similar issues as we are dealing with here. to make matters worse... samie has been feeling so much better since i took her off of the Purina -nf food she has been more playful. well the other day she went running after my other yorkie sadie and she hurt her back left leg. so she was favoring it a little. i am giving her tramadol (1/4 pill) per the vets request. hopefully this helps her leg otherwise- more vet bills and more xrays. I wonder why they didn't do an ultrasound? to look for stones. I am going to ask her on thursday. |
07-04-2007, 06:43 PM | #95 |
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| hmmm i would look at ingredients, fat content, etc and match it up to what she needs or take the food she is on now to vet and let the vet know you do not want a corn based diet - i would be adimant about that especially if she stopped scooting. There are other diets without corn i am sure that will fit her needs - here is a site i got today so go through the one she recommended and match up to something with no corn on this site www.petfooddirect.com |
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07-04-2007, 07:15 PM | #99 | |
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There is no recommended diet to dissolve calcium oxalate stones. For prevention a diet low in protein and oxalates and high in magnesium, phosphorus, and calcium is recommended. Increased dietary magnesium and phosphorus decreases the amount of calcium in the urine, and increased dietary calcium reduces absorption of oxalates from the intestines.[6] Potassium citrate has been recommended as a preventative for calcium oxalate stone formation because it forms a soluble complex with oxalates and promotes the formation of alkaline urine. (taken from wikipedia) so after reading that info,I am assuming a diet that is: low in protein and oxalates high in magnesium high in phosphorus high in calcium * low in fat (to help control and lose weight) SAMIE IS 7 LBS AND IS IS OVERWEIGHT BY ABOUT 1 1/2-2 LBS I am just trying to understand why she was given this today??? B/C PER THE INFO WE FOUND ON WIKIPEDIA... IS SAYS "HIGH" MAGNESIUM AND "HIGH" PHOSPHORUS -and these ingredients are lower in the the food she prescribed. but i do think she was allergic to "corn" so that is why i am skeptical. Not UNLESS...the "potassium citrate granules" add something to this food that it is not providing by itself? it is "low" in fat to help her lose weight...I am still just skeptical based on the last food and what happened to her on it. She was in bad shape. I am currently trying to compare the 2 foods to see the difference (if any) purina vet pres diet NF and the one given today: hills prescrition diet W/D * w/d® with Chicken Canine PLUS ADD 1 TEAS OF POTASSIUM CITRATE GRANULES IT IS USED FOR: For Weight Control and the Nutritional Management of Fiber Responsive Diseases, Excess weight, diabetes and digestive troubles can cause problems for your dog. Feeding the right food can help your pet live a healthier lifestyle. Prescription Diet® w/d® with Chicken Canine dog food, with its fiber rich formula, may be useful as a nutritional aid for dogs with fiber responsive diseases such as diabetes mellitus, colitis, diarrhea, constipation, and to help manage overweight dogs, including those with struvite urolithiasis. The nutritional formulation of Prescription Diet® w/d® may also be useful for pets with a variety of conditions Product Characteristics for Hills pres diet-W/D: Carnitine:High Magnesium :Reduced Calories:Low Phosphorus:Reduced Fat:Low Sodium:Low Fiber:Increased Added Antioxidants Help reduce free radical damage to counteract oxidative stress Target Urine pH Acid (6.2 - 6.4)* *Urine pH of individual dogs may vary due to complicating factors such as: time of feeding before urine collection, type of urine collection, individual animal variation, and test methodology. *Urine pH of individual dogs may vary due to complicating factors such as: time of feeding before urine collection, type of urine collection, individual animal variation, and test methodology. * I am currently researching these Potassium Citrate Granules as well. | |
07-04-2007, 07:20 PM | #100 | |
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i have video of her eating this food and what she does while eating and when she is finished. horrible sight to see her like that. she would sit abrubtly and then scoot. even cry sometimes. it was so sad and I DO NOT want to put her on this food. she is still on the canidae until i can think of what else to do. i can't just not feed her and i am researching every chance i get. i sent an email to the person you told me about. what other yorkie lists do you belong to? thanks for sending me the info- i will let you know what we find out :-) | |
07-04-2007, 07:26 PM | #101 | |
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we got the heck away from her and the new vet is taking over. so she was the one that prescribed the corn based diet again and i told her no. she said she will call hills nutrionist again but i know the "hills" nutritionist is going to not understand. it cannot be corn- the vet says to me yesterday "how do you know it's the corn" well i don't but the main ingred was corn. and i am not risking it. the food was nothing but ground corn meal. yellow gritty corn. i do not want to feed it to her and take a chance. no way... do i want to witness my dog as if she was poisoned again. it has to be rice or barley. | |
07-05-2007, 04:25 PM | #102 |
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| raw food I am waiting to talk to a nutritionist from Nature's variety Raw food. they seem to think that samie will do well on a raw diet... but we have not gone over all of the details. the person i spoke with today said that yes- a raw food diet necessarily may not be good for a dog that has had kidney stones or signs of kidney failure. but she said crystals may not be an issue. i am so confused i don't know what to do. samie is still on the canidae since i don't know what else to feed her at the moment. i am also waiting for the vet to get back to me after she talks to the nutritionist from Hills again to see if they can put samie on a diet that does not contain corn. |
07-06-2007, 06:01 PM | #103 | |
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so...... my question to you? :-) do you think you can help me break down the values (vet said she needs to be on low phosphorus, low calcium and low magnesium and low fat to lose weight. she needs to lose 1-1.5 lbs. she is 7 lbs right now and believe it or not... she is considered obese. i purchased today the platinum canidae canned food. I have heard that "moisture" is good for her diet (with the cystal situatition) and.... this canned food says: and she also said that samie needs to be on a food that is low in calcium, phosphorous, and magnesium so it that is the case.... check out the ingrediets for those (i placed a * next to those values) what do you think? of course samie probably couldn't be on a "canned" food only... but maybe we are in the right direction if we fed her the canidae canned? i don't know though. if we do the breakdown a lot of these values would increase A LOT. that's what i am afraid of. appreciate any help you can give me with this. i am getting worried. i know she can't stay on the food she is on now and i fear she is producing more and more crystals since she came off of the pres diet 2 wks ago. crude protein 6.00% crude fat: 4.50% crude fiber: 2.00% moisture: 75.00% *calcium: 0.15% *phosphorous: 0.125% *magnesium: 0.15% vitamin E: 125.00 | |
07-06-2007, 06:23 PM | #104 | |
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07-07-2007, 12:33 PM | #105 |
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| I haven't read this whole thread but first I want to say that I hope your baby will be all better soon. As for the food, vets make me mad. First, I will say that Ellie got Science Diet regular kibble (no health issues) for the longest time. After the recalls she gets homecooked. Ellie just had a UTI and it seems like something is still not quite right. If the problem doesn't go away she will go to the vet. If the vet wanted to feed her any of that food I would refuse. Now, if Ellie's vet would say something like, "I will give you recipes for this kind of thing so you can make this special food yourself" then I would do it. I do not believe that Hills and Purina are the only people in this world that know how to make a balanced diet for bladder/kidney problems either. Ellie isn't allergic to corn as far as I know but I still wouldn't give her food with that as the first ingredient. I am most definately not telling you to stop feeding what your vet told you too but I am saying please don't let them scare you into doing everything they say.
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