Need Diet for protein losing enteropathy

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I have a dog that has beginning renal disease. I think it is a bit related...

any way my vet wanted me to use Hill's kd. I can get him to eat the kibble, but he will not eat the can. So.. I have done a lot of research on homecooking. It is hard for a sick dog but can be done. I invested in a gram scale and really follow the recipes.

I think the most important advice is to be sure to get the diet (recipe) from a vet nutritionist.. follow and monitor closely.

good luck!!

Renal disease has nothing to do with a protein losing enteropathy. I think you might be confusing it with a protein losing nephropathy.

One is gastrointestinal and one is renal.

[LilAnnCamp]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Renal disease has nothing to do with a protein losing enteropathy. I think you might be confusing it with a protein losing nephropathy.

One is gastrointestinal and one is renal.

Thanks... the dog I was thinking had protein losing nephropathy & renal failure.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by LilAnnCamp

Thanks... the dog I was thinking had protein losing nephropathy & renal failure.

Exactly why we have to be careful giving advice to people. Some people believe anything they read and it could make a pup sicker.

[LilAnnCamp]

Well, is it only 4 letter difference when read. I agree... but people make mistakes all the time.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by LilAnnCamp

Well, is it only 4 letter difference when read. I agree... but people make mistakes all the time.

Like I said, it (a mistake) could be costly to the pup. I realize people want so much to help, but we just have to be careful and honestly the best advice is often to suggest a vet. In medicine sometimes there is only ONE letter that makes a difference in things. When I studied anatomy and physiology we had to spell every single term correctly on exams or points were deducted.

In this forum, I have always tried to be careful not to give people advice that only a vet should give. When a pup has a deadly disease, I will stand pat and say that only a vet should tell them what to feed.

I mean no disrespect to anyone. Just bringing it to your attention to do with as you please. If you want to continue to justify it or defend it, that's your choice. If you choose to learn from it, that is also your choice.

[LilAnnCamp]

I also posted they should speak with their vet.

[ladyjane]

I read every post on this thread.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Codyjames

I just want to thank everyone for their responses. I will speak to the vet at Oradell and ask her to get a diet for me. I am also looking for a good vet because Oradell animal hospital is to far for me to travel on a regular basis. I am in Mountainside so I am looking for someone within a 10 mile radius.
Again, I serious appreciate all your input!
Joann

Please keep us posted! Hope all goes well.

[MandiesMom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Like I said, it (a mistake) could be costly to the pup. I realize people want so much to help, but we just have to be careful and honestly the best advice is often to suggest a vet. In medicine sometimes there is only ONE letter that makes a difference in things. When I studied anatomy and physiology we had to spell every single term correctly on exams or points were deducted.

In this forum, I have always tried to be careful not to give people advice that only a vet should give. When a pup has a deadly disease, I will stand pat and say that only a vet should tell them what to feed.

If you read the advice and every answer, then you saw where this was suggested from the beginning.

Seriously, first and foremost we are all here to try to help and not a one of us are without mistakes and not a one of us, that I am aware of, have a vet degree. When Lil Sis made a mistake, you kindly pointed that out. When LilAnnCamp came back and stated she made a mistake, as well (which she never had to even do, btw), she gets a lecture?

Also, this below statement in particular - is super condescending.

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Just bringing it to your attention to do with as you please. If you want to continue to justify it or defend it, that's your choice. If you choose to learn from it, that is also your choice.

OP - Praying for your pup and sorry this thread got taken off course. Everyone here just loves these pups and wants to help. Keep us updated ok?

[107barney]

Originally Posted by MandiesMom

If you read the advice and every answer, then you saw where this was suggested from the beginning.

Seriously, first and foremost we are all here to try to help and not a one of us are without mistakes and not a one of us, that I am aware of, have a vet degree. When Lil Sis made a mistake, you kindly pointed that out. When LilAnnCamp came back and stated she made a mistake, as well (which she never had to even do, btw), she gets a lecture?

Also, this below statement in particular - is super condescending.


OP - Praying for your pup and sorry this thread got taken off course. Everyone here just loves these pups and wants to help. Keep us updated ok?

Polite police alert! Who are you to come along and call someone else condescending! You're doing the very same thing you're accusing ladyjane of. Please realize that advice that is wrong can kill a dog and while none of us are vets I could bore you with hours worth of stories of vet mistakes. I hate this kind of post! The posters were wrong and ladyjane pointed it out to be helpful, take it for all that it's worth and leave the rest.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by MandiesMom

If you read the advice and every answer, then you saw where this was suggested from the beginning.

Seriously, first and foremost we are all here to try to help and not a one of us are without mistakes and not a one of us, that I am aware of, have a vet degree. When Lil Sis made a mistake, you kindly pointed that out. When LilAnnCamp came back and stated she made a mistake, as well (which she never had to even do, btw), she gets a lecture?

Also, this below statement in particular - is super condescending.


OP - Praying for your pup and sorry this thread got taken off course. Everyone here just loves these pups and wants to help. Keep us updated ok?

Personally, I find YOUR post super condescending. Funny that you think you should come to this thread and try to berate me when all you had to do if you felt it was out of line is to report it.

The OP did not use much in the way of initials when she posted her pup's condition .. she was crystal clear and wrote out protein losing ENTEROPATHY. She wanted a diet and she was given at the start a one word answer...and it was a prescription food that honestly should only be prescribed by a vet. LATER on the person came back and suggested a vet.

I am NOT going to apologize to YOU or ANYONE else for giving GOOD INFORMATION THAT MAY SAVE THE LIVES OF PUPS. The advice was not correct and if followed could cause harm. I tried to say that politely but I was met with much defensiveness which lends me to believe the person did not learn a lesson. Giving such advice really could be taken as practicing veterinary medicine without a license. I did not go that far in my posts, but now that you wish to come at me I am....posting advice is a tricky thing when you are dealing with a SICK PUP. Not something to guess at which is actually what was done.

I was attacked recently for telling someone to go to a vet...I was not helpful/ Now I am being attacked for daring to try to stop someone from giving advice so freely that someone COULD READ ON THIS FORUM AND FOLLOW CAUSING THE DEATH OF THEIR PUP.

I stand by this: If you want to post advice in the sick and injured forum, I DO think you should have a clue what you are talking about. I have long felt this forum actually should not be here because many people are looking for free vet advice and it is scary that some people think they can give it. BUT the forum is here and IF I know a condition well you best believe I will share my knowledge and experience...and MOST times advise that a person seek the advice of a vet.

That someone came back later and suggested a vet did not change that first post and that of another person who also said it was the same condition and that was the food suggested for her pup. The bottom line, the advice was given as if the person was IN THE KNOW and clearly she was not. AND rather than just say "I was wrong", she continued to defend it. What I said in that second post is EXACTLY what needed to be said...either continue to defend it or LEARN from it. Clearly she has not learned because now she has you here posting. Good grief this is not middle school...and this IS a serious topic.

Why YOU came along to stir this debate up is interesting, but nothing surprises me on this forum. This is childish and immature at best.

AND lastly...for you to strike out and say how sorry you are that the thread is off course when YOU are REALLY TAKING IT THERE is almost hilarious...but oh so sad. It should have been left ALONE. If you had an issue you could have handled it another way.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by MandiesMom

If you read the advice and every answer, then you saw where this was suggested from the beginning.

Seriously, first and foremost we are all here to try to help and not a one of us are without mistakes and not a one of us, that I am aware of, have a vet degree. When Lil Sis made a mistake, you kindly pointed that out. When LilAnnCamp came back and stated she made a mistake, as well (which she never had to even do, btw), she gets a lecture?

Also, this below statement in particular - is super condescending.


OP - Praying for your pup and sorry this thread got taken off course. Everyone here just loves these pups and wants to help. Keep us updated ok?

Go back and read again...there was NO lecture. She just wanted to keep making excuses rather than simply say she made a mistake and I was not letting that slide because it was important....the fact that she kept defending it told me she thought it was not a big deal and it WAS a big deal!! "I was wrong" would have sufficed.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Renal disease has nothing to do with a protein losing enteropathy. I think you might be confusing it with a protein losing nephropathy.

One is gastrointestinal and one is renal.

You are right , so sorry op. I still think the vet nutritionist is good advice,

Thanks Linda

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

You are right , so sorry op. I still think the vet nutritionist is good advice,

Thanks Linda

I don't think you owe anyone an apology. You suggested a vet in your post and you only said that you thought the conditions were similar. Saying you think something and saying you know something are two different things. You were sharing your experience.

[lynzy420]

Wow was finding this a very interesting thread and BOOM insert the same nonsense I've been seeing on other threads lately.

Linda, Cathy thank you as always for your very good input. It is without question that your advice and your detailed answers have helped many a YTer's pup= because of your broad experience. In my book your advice is word, infact; you have both helped me in the past in some very critical situations, thank you.

OP please keep us posted I'd be interested in which route you take with this and especially interested in what brand your vet suggests if you don't homecook.