horrible morning pls keep armani in your thoughts

[yorkiemini]

What a chilling story! So sorry, but glad the ending was positive. Can't believe the ER vet did not give him anything for pain - that was negligence IMO!

Blessing for his recovery!

[Yorkielover0102]

Very happy for a happy ending!

[Lisa and Pic]

Just seeing this and so glad Armani is doing okay. Wow, about your local ER.

[enchilila]

Just seeing this. When I read the first post, I was so worried about Armani. I would be so upset with the first ER vet. I can't stand incompetence! But, I'm so glad Armani is going to be OK. Maybe the referral to the other clinic was a blessing in disguise somehow.

[beachdog]

Armani is so glad to have such a loving Mommie and Grandmommie!
You are the best!

[ArmaniMan]

First off, Poor guy had a long night He was crying so much, he could not get comfortable, finally I took the cone off and let him sleep on my pillow- I know, I know! But he was so miserable with it on. When we woke up this morning his eye was totally glued shut- I used a warm compress to open it and put all his meds in, now he is sleeping peacefully, he got another dose of pain meds this morning so that is probably helping. I also called my own vet this morning and made a follow up appointment for later in the week, they will see how is progress is and re-stain the eye to check the healing- I also want to discuss the ER vet situation with them and see what they say because this is the ER vet they recommend (of course it is the only one within a 2 hour radius so they don't have much choice I suppose.)

Thanks again for all the well wishes- Armani & I appreciate them.

Okay- now I need some opinions. Last night I was petting him a lot, normally he is so crazy I don't get a chance- and I found a scab on him, I cleaned it off and I can see that it was a small, straight cut that has been healing. It was not fresh enough to have happened at the vet and was not a bite or scratch wound that Chloe could have inflicted. Wednesday the two of them went to the groomer- so I am thinking the groomer cut him. She always tells me how great they are and how well behaved they are. This week she said, "Sorry it took so long, but Armani was really knotted and because I had to brush him so much he was really badly behaved". I found it slightly odd that he has been to her so many times and now all of a sudden was bad, but didn't think much of it. Now I understand small cuts happen and everything and maybe since it was under so much hair and pretty small she didn't even notice. But it has me thinking... could she have poked him in the eye with something? a brush, comb, scissor, whatever? and caused this eye issue? Anyone know how long from the initial damage to the eye until it becomes a visible ulcer like this? It is something I am going to discuss with my vet- but just wondered if anyone knew. So now what do I do? I obviously have no evidence she did this- but the timing is kind of fishy? right? or am I looking for someone to blame? be honest. What would you do?

[Maximo]

Poor Armani, I'm sorry he had a rough night. Max's last ulcer, after the doctor did the stain and exam, was really miserable that first night, so you have my sympathy. Within 30 hours, the ulcer healed almost completely. I pray Armani has the same luck.

As for the groomer, I would be worried too and discuss it with your vet, but I believe that if the ulcer was the result of traumatic injury, it would have shown by the next day. Three days would be a little long before manifesting itself. It is worthy of note though the unusual behavior, the body cut, and now the eye problem.

Is this ulcer in the same eye he had the problem in last fall?

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Poor Armani, I'm sorry he had a rough night. Max's last ulcer, after the doctor did the stain and exam, was really miserable that first night, so you have my sympathy. Within 30 hours, the ulcer healed almost completely. I pray Armani has the same luck.

As for the groomer, I would be worried too and discuss it with your vet, but I believe that if the ulcer was the result of traumatic injury, it would have shown by the next day. Three days would be a little long before manifesting itself. It is worthy of note though the unusual behavior, the body cut, and now the eye problem.

Is this ulcer in the same eye he had the problem in last fall?

no- it is the other eye this time.

okay- I thought three days may be too long but I just wondered.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

First off, Poor guy had a long night He was crying so much, he could not get comfortable, finally I took the cone off and let him sleep on my pillow- I know, I know! But he was so miserable with it on. When we woke up this morning his eye was totally glued shut- I used a warm compress to open it and put all his meds in, now he is sleeping peacefully, he got another dose of pain meds this morning so that is probably helping. I also called my own vet this morning and made a follow up appointment for later in the week, they will see how is progress is and re-stain the eye to check the healing- I also want to discuss the ER vet situation with them and see what they say because this is the ER vet they recommend (of course it is the only one within a 2 hour radius so they don't have much choice I suppose.)

Thanks again for all the well wishes- Armani & I appreciate them.

Okay- now I need some opinions. Last night I was petting him a lot, normally he is so crazy I don't get a chance- and I found a scab on him, I cleaned it off and I can see that it was a small, straight cut that has been healing. It was not fresh enough to have happened at the vet and was not a bite or scratch wound that Chloe could have inflicted. Wednesday the two of them went to the groomer- so I am thinking the groomer cut him. She always tells me how great they are and how well behaved they are. This week she said, "Sorry it took so long, but Armani was really knotted and because I had to brush him so much he was really badly behaved". I found it slightly odd that he has been to her so many times and now all of a sudden was bad, but didn't think much of it. Now I understand small cuts happen and everything and maybe since it was under so much hair and pretty small she didn't even notice. But it has me thinking... could she have poked him in the eye with something? a brush, comb, scissor, whatever? and caused this eye issue? Anyone know how long from the initial damage to the eye until it becomes a visible ulcer like this? It is something I am going to discuss with my vet- but just wondered if anyone knew. So now what do I do? I obviously have no evidence she did this- but the timing is kind of fishy? right? or am I looking for someone to blame? be honest. What would you do?

Yeah it sounds fishy to me too. His wound is so much worse than Joey’s. The vet thought Joey got his from rubbing his face on carpet, just a tufted loop of carpet can cause a scratch, but Joey's only symptom was not eating and a slight squint. The not eating is why I knew it was serious. Does she cut any part of Armani's face? Some groomers cut that little inverted V between the nose, and that would make it very easy to cut the eye. You're always supposed to hold the scissors away from the eye, and hold the chin hair, so the dog can't move, but an accident can easily happen if you don't follow the rules. Not much you can do, but I would definitely ask her about it, at least you would be informing her of the seriousness of this. If she did it, she could have saved Armani a lot of pain if you had taken him to the vet as soon as it happened.

[Valenie]

Sending all our prayers and love!

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

If she did it, she could have saved Armani a lot of pain if you had taken him to the vet as soon as it happened.

thats what makes me mad, I would have had him at the vet the same day it happened had I known.

I was thinking maybe she got him with the brush or something because she said he kept turning around to grab the brush- the injury to the eye was actually on the outermost side of the eye, not in near the nose where should would be using scissors.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

thats what makes me mad, I would have had him at the vet the same day it happened had I known.

I was thinking maybe she got him with the brush or something because she said he kept turning around to grab the brush- the injury to the eye was actually on the outermost side of the eye, not in near the nose where should would be using scissors.

Yeah, I stopped using the pin brush anywhere around the face for this reason. I would tell her, if she thinks nothing became of it, she might not be as inclined to changed her methods.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

thats what makes me mad, I would have had him at the vet the same day it happened had I known.

I was thinking maybe she got him with the brush or something because she said he kept turning around to grab the brush- the injury to the eye was actually on the outermost side of the eye, not in near the nose where should would be using scissors.

The outer edge of the eye is suspicious, but I would think he would have been squinting by the next day, and he probably would have been pawing at it, and the eye would probably have been watery by the next day. Scratches and ulcers usually become infected quickly without antibiotic. Your vet will be able to tell you what the likely cause was.

A single piece of cut hair could have gotten in his eye and stayed there for a couple of days and caused an irritation that led to the ulcer. I worry about that when I shave Max's ears.

[licricket]

I just read this post. Will keep Armani in my thoughts and prayers. I am glad everything is OK, how frightening it must have been for you. Hugs to Armani

[Foster Mom]

So glad he is starting to get better. Prayers for a fast complete recovery