Sick Little Wiley Coyotee

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by kjc

DHPP is the basic puppy vaccine and should be given alone. CV is Corona Virus Vaccine and is sometimes mixed in with the DHPP, but that is not recommended (too much for a small pup), and Corona Virus only affects pups under 6 weeks of age, so he doesn't need that anymore.

At 14 weeks he can get his 3rd DHPP, if he is well. (1 month inbetween vaccines)

Depending on what your state law is, Rabies is usually given between 4-8 months. With a tiny pup, I would wait as long as possible (8 months), just keep him inside or in your arms until 2 weeks after he gets it. (if healthy)

At 1 year old, he needs a DHPP Booster, then one month later, the Rabies Booster. (if healthy)

I can't tell you what to do... but I have stated what I would do. I am not a Vet, my post reflects my opinions, and this vaccine schedule should be discussed with your vet. If your vet disagrees with this schedule... I would seek a second opinion from a different vet. Vaccines are very important, and as overvaccinating can be dangerous, it's important to know about them.

I never did get his records yet so I am going to assume that he never got any vaccinations. I could go off her word as she said he got vaccinated at 5 1/2wks and then one 04/19/11 the day before I got him, but I just can't count on it. I am wondering what others would do in this situation once little one is better???? Thanks again for all this information. You have been wonderful help to me and I am sure to many others as well. Tammy

[kjc]

Another thought: (I am on a roll today!)

Doesn't it state in your contract that the breeder would be sending you a 'healthy' puppy?

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Isn't this an antibiotic

OH MY GOODNESS!!! I totally wrote the wrong med down for his throwing up coughing/hacking problem. It is Metoclopramide for regurgitation to be given every 8 hours as needed. The vet checked the liquid that he throw up from his coughing/hacking and he had traces of crap from stomach/GI in what he throw up. SO SORRY TO CONFUSE EVERYONE
Tammy

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by kjc

Another thought: (I am on a roll today!)

Doesn't it state in your contract that the breeder would be sending you a 'healthy' puppy?

Says This pupy has no known physical/congenital defects. We do not sell puppies that are sick, injured or suffer from any known genetic defects.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by WiggleWagglePup

I never did get his records yet so I am going to assume that he never got any vaccinations. I could go off her word as she said he got vaccinated at 5 1/2wks and then one 04/19/11 the day before I got him, but I just can't count on it. I am wondering what others would do in this situation once little one is better???? Thanks again for all this information. You have been wonderful help to me and I am sure to many others as well. Tammy

I've never heard of anyone vaccinaitng a pup at 5 1/2 weeks. That vaccine was most likely destroyed by the maternal antibodies passed on to the pups after birth through the colostrum (first milk).

He was sick when you got him. Good chance he was sick the day before when she vaccinated him. Another good chance that vaccine was destroyed by the antibodies floating around in his system from his illness. (This is why one doesn't vaccinate sick pups or dogs).

Even though the vaccine was most likely destroyed and will not be able to produce the correct antibodies against disease, it is still capable of putting the pup's immune system into action. This reaction will prolong any illness the pup already harbored, and the pup will not begin to fully recover until the vaccine immune response has ended (one month after receiving the vaccine), and the original antibodies that were produced by the pup for his original illness can regroup and fight off the infection (as they have been fighting the vaccine and the illness, which keeps him alive, but doesn't make him better).

On May 19, I think you will begin to see marked improvement in his health. From each day on he will improve a little bit more than the day before.

IMVHO, I would give him at least one full month for his immune system to recover, before he begins his vaccination series again. He will only need 2 sets of vaccines, as he will be older, and the maternal antibodies will definitely be gone from his system.

During that time, you must keep him safe. No down on the floors in the vet's office or PetSmart or anywhere. In your arms when he is not in your house!

This is what I would do:

One month and one week to get better and get some weight on, then his DHPP(only)(19 weeks old), then wait 4 weeks and get 2nd DHPP(23 weeks old), then wait 4 weeks and get 1st Rabies(27 or 32 weeks old). Then when he is one year old, get DHPP Booster, then wait 4 weeks and get Rabies Booster.

[FlDebra]

Here is the Pet Lemon Law for the State of MN: http://www.bah.state.mn.us/animals/d...on-law-806.pdf

Here is the quote that will apply to your situation: "In the event of a health problem, which existed at the time of delivery to the purchaser, the pet dealer shall provide the purchaser with one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser: return the animal to the pet dealer for a refund of the full purchase price;
exchange the animal for an animal of the purchaser's choice of equivalent value,
providing a replacement is available; or retain the animal, and receive reimbursement for
reasonable veterinary fees, such reimbursements not to exceed the original purchase price of the animal."

Notice it says "one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser." It does not matter if she says she does not give refunds. She is still bound by the law of the state and must pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup, if that is what you decide. You may have to get some legal help to make her come up with the money but it is cut & dried so I would just sue her pro se (by yourself in small claims court) if she doesn't give you the money.

I have no sympathy for these dealers who put too small, too young, and too sick puppies on airplanes and send them to unsuspecting buyers who deserve to receive a healthy puppy for their money. Receiving a sick puppy is so much more of an emotional issue than receiving damaged merchandise! But the laws are sort of the same. The seller must make it right -- they either give a full refund if YOU want to return the puppy, or they pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup if YOU decide to keep the puppy. I get the idea from your posts that you will keep the puppy no matter what and I am glad to know that. This breeder is not someone I would want to send a little pup back to and I definitely would not want a replacement pup from her.

Always check state laws in ADDITION to the contract provided by the breeder. I see contracts in Florida all the time that are in direct opposition with what the state will actually require! They think if they tell you they won't do something that will be the end of it. For most it is too. But if you read the law -- that is what they must abide by. Good luck with your little one. I love the name as my middle son is named Kyle and I used to do a silly sing song thing calling him Wiley, Kylie Coyote. After he got into the Roadrunner cartoons, he said he didn't think he wanted to be the Coyote. But I told him everyone has a little heart going for the coyote, no matter how many times that Roadrunner wins.

Thanks for naming names too! People need to know things like this about a breeder. I will follow the thread to see if this breeder will abide by the law without taking her to court or if she is so uncaring that she will have to be forced to do her part for this little pup! Wishing you the best!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Here is the Pet Lemon Law for the State of MN: http://www.bah.state.mn.us/animals/d...on-law-806.pdf

Here is the quote that will apply to your situation: "In the event of a health problem, which existed at the time of delivery to the purchaser, the pet dealer shall provide the purchaser with one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser: return the animal to the pet dealer for a refund of the full purchase price;
exchange the animal for an animal of the purchaser's choice of equivalent value,
providing a replacement is available; or retain the animal, and receive reimbursement for
reasonable veterinary fees, such reimbursements not to exceed the original purchase price of the animal."

Notice it says "one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser." It does not matter if she says she does not give refunds. She is still bound by the law of the state and must pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup, if that is what you decide. You may have to get some legal help to make her come up with the money but it is cut & dried so I would just sue her pro se (by yourself in small claims court) if she doesn't give you the money.

I have no sympathy for these dealers who put too small, too young, and too sick puppies on airplanes and send them to unsuspecting buyers who deserve to receive a healthy puppy for their money. Receiving a sick puppy is so much more of an emotional issue than receiving damaged merchandise! But the laws are sort of the same. The seller must make it right -- they either give a full refund if YOU want to return the puppy, or they pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup if YOU decide to keep the puppy. I get the idea from your posts that you will keep the puppy no matter what and I am glad to know that. This breeder is not someone I would want to send a little pup back to and I definitely would not want a replacement pup from her.

Always check state laws in ADDITION to the contract provided by the breeder. I see contracts in Florida all the time that are in direct opposition with what the state will actually require! They think if they tell you they won't do something that will be the end of it. For most it is too. But if you read the law -- that is what they must abide by. Good luck with your little one. I love the name as my middle son is named Kyle and I used to do a silly sing song thing calling him Wiley, Kylie Coyote. After he got into the Roadrunner cartoons, he said he didn't think he wanted to be the Coyote. But I told him everyone has a little heart going for the coyote, no matter how many times that Roadrunner wins.

Thanks for naming names too! People need to know things like this about a breeder. I will follow the thread to see if this breeder will abide by the law without taking her to court or if she is so uncaring that she will have to be forced to do her part for this little pup! Wishing you the best!

That's what I said too!

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by kjc

I've never heard of anyone vaccinaitng a pup at 5 1/2 weeks. That vaccine was most likely destroyed by the maternal antibodies passed on to the pups after birth through the colostrum (first milk).

He was sick when you got him. Good chance he was sick the day before when she vaccinated him. Another good chance that vaccine was destroyed by the antibodies floating around in his system from his illness. (This is why one doesn't vaccinate sick pups or dogs).

Even though the vaccine was most likely destroyed and will not be able to produce the correct antibodies against disease, it is still capable of putting the pup's immune system into action. This reaction will prolong any illness the pup already harbored, and the pup will not begin to fully recover until the vaccine immune response has ended (one month after receiving the vaccine), and the original antibodies that were produced by the pup for his original illness can regroup and fight off the infection (as they have been fighting the vaccine and the illness, which keeps him alive, but doesn't make him better).

On May 19, I think you will begin to see marked improvement in his health. From each day on he will improve a little bit more than the day before.

IMVHO, I would give him at least one full month for his immune system to recover, before he begins his vaccination series again. He will only need 2 sets of vaccines, as he will be older, and the maternal antibodies will definitely be gone from his system.

During that time, you must keep him safe. No down on the floors in the vet's office or PetSmart or anywhere. In your arms when he is not in your house!

This is what I would do:

One month and one week to get better and get some weight on, then his DHPP(only)(19 weeks old), then wait 4 weeks and get 2nd DHPP(23 weeks old), then wait 4 weeks and get 1st Rabies(27 or 32 weeks old). Then when he is one year old, get DHPP Booster, then wait 4 weeks and get Rabies Booster.

Everyone on YT have been so helpful and I don't know what I would do without everyone here. I truly can not express how much I appreciate eveyone for their prayers, kind words, information, and advice... All of you are my little Angels sent to me from above for Wiley!!!

I will take the advice about above vaccinations. I am also going to set up an x ray for Wiley because I have this gut feeling there is more wrong than I think. There is NO WAY I COULD EVER GIVE WILEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!
We have been together since day one... many sleepless nights... nursing him back to health... I felt terrible every time I would have to force his little mouth open and slowly syringe food in letting him swollow after every little squirt. He would just hate it and actually would try to go the other way when I tried to pick him up because he knew it was feeding time. I feel so bad, but I knew it was best for him because he wasn't eating. Now, Wiley and I are close and it is me he wants if someone else is holding him. It is me he runs to and gives kisses to each morning. I would never put him back in the arms of who made him so sick in the first place. Makes me sick to know that there are people out there like this. When I look back at the very day I got him... I want to just slap myself for not taking him in to a vet that very moment in that city where I picked him up. You wouldn't believe the state he was in. He was a walking skeleton of bones with hair. I was afraid to even move him in my arms for the fear of his bones breaking. I could literally feel EVERY bone in his body that made his frame. I remember feeling his neck and there was no muscle around it like other dogs would feel... just bone.

I have two shih tzu's in the home which worry me. I am assuming I should keep Wiley away from them??? They are up to date on all vaccinations and healthy.

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Here is the Pet Lemon Law for the State of MN: http://www.bah.state.mn.us/animals/d...on-law-806.pdf

Here is the quote that will apply to your situation: "In the event of a health problem, which existed at the time of delivery to the purchaser, the pet dealer shall provide the purchaser with one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser: return the animal to the pet dealer for a refund of the full purchase price;
exchange the animal for an animal of the purchaser's choice of equivalent value,
providing a replacement is available; or retain the animal, and receive reimbursement for
reasonable veterinary fees, such reimbursements not to exceed the original purchase price of the animal."

Notice it says "one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser." It does not matter if she says she does not give refunds. She is still bound by the law of the state and must pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup, if that is what you decide. You may have to get some legal help to make her come up with the money but it is cut & dried so I would just sue her pro se (by yourself in small claims court) if she doesn't give you the money.

I have no sympathy for these dealers who put too small, too young, and too sick puppies on airplanes and send them to unsuspecting buyers who deserve to receive a healthy puppy for their money. Receiving a sick puppy is so much more of an emotional issue than receiving damaged merchandise! But the laws are sort of the same. The seller must make it right -- they either give a full refund if YOU want to return the puppy, or they pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup if YOU decide to keep the puppy. I get the idea from your posts that you will keep the puppy no matter what and I am glad to know that. This breeder is not someone I would want to send a little pup back to and I definitely would not want a replacement pup from her.

Always check state laws in ADDITION to the contract provided by the breeder. I see contracts in Florida all the time that are in direct opposition with what the state will actually require! They think if they tell you they won't do something that will be the end of it. For most it is too. But if you read the law -- that is what they must abide by. Good luck with your little one. I love the name as my middle son is named Kyle and I used to do a silly sing song thing calling him Wiley, Kylie Coyote. After he got into the Roadrunner cartoons, he said he didn't think he wanted to be the Coyote. But I told him everyone has a little heart going for the coyote, no matter how many times that Roadrunner wins.

Thanks for naming names too! People need to know things like this about a breeder. I will follow the thread to see if this breeder will abide by the law without taking her to court or if she is so uncaring that she will have to be forced to do her part for this little pup! Wishing you the best!

I have a 17yr old son named Kyle. He is the one that actually named Wiley... I give him all the credit!!! Wiley took to him right away the day we got Wiley. Slept in his arms on the drive home. My other two kids are 12yrs & 7yrs. Wiley didn't want much to do with them the day we got him. Now... Wiley loves attention from all of us, but he runs to me first...

[WiggleWagglePup]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Here is the Pet Lemon Law for the State of MN: http://www.bah.state.mn.us/animals/d...on-law-806.pdf

Here is the quote that will apply to your situation: "In the event of a health problem, which existed at the time of delivery to the purchaser, the pet dealer shall provide the purchaser with one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser: return the animal to the pet dealer for a refund of the full purchase price;
exchange the animal for an animal of the purchaser's choice of equivalent value,
providing a replacement is available; or retain the animal, and receive reimbursement for
reasonable veterinary fees, such reimbursements not to exceed the original purchase price of the animal."

Notice it says "one of the following remedies selected by the purchaser." It does not matter if she says she does not give refunds. She is still bound by the law of the state and must pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup, if that is what you decide. You may have to get some legal help to make her come up with the money but it is cut & dried so I would just sue her pro se (by yourself in small claims court) if she doesn't give you the money.

I have no sympathy for these dealers who put too small, too young, and too sick puppies on airplanes and send them to unsuspecting buyers who deserve to receive a healthy puppy for their money. Receiving a sick puppy is so much more of an emotional issue than receiving damaged merchandise! But the laws are sort of the same. The seller must make it right -- they either give a full refund if YOU want to return the puppy, or they pay the vet bills up to the price of the pup if YOU decide to keep the puppy. I get the idea from your posts that you will keep the puppy no matter what and I am glad to know that. This breeder is not someone I would want to send a little pup back to and I definitely would not want a replacement pup from her.

Always check state laws in ADDITION to the contract provided by the breeder. I see contracts in Florida all the time that are in direct opposition with what the state will actually require! They think if they tell you they won't do something that will be the end of it. For most it is too. But if you read the law -- that is what they must abide by. Good luck with your little one. I love the name as my middle son is named Kyle and I used to do a silly sing song thing calling him Wiley, Kylie Coyote. After he got into the Roadrunner cartoons, he said he didn't think he wanted to be the Coyote. But I told him everyone has a little heart going for the coyote, no matter how many times that Roadrunner wins.

Thanks for naming names too! People need to know things like this about a breeder. I will follow the thread to see if this breeder will abide by the law without taking her to court or if she is so uncaring that she will have to be forced to do her part for this little pup! Wishing you the best!

I have contacted her many times. She said that if she knew he was this sick, she wouldn't have sent him and that the vet said he was fine to fly. No vet would have let a puppy fly in the state he was in. A couple days before she sent him, she asked me if I wanted his brother too or knew of anyone that would want him close by me because she would ship him free. In my own mind, I think she brought another puppy into the vet to get health checked for flight in place of sick puppy and sent sick pup to me instead, but used the health certificate of healthy puppy in place to send Wiley. Everything about her has been one excuse after another. I have requested his records 3 times and she said I only asked once. Then said that she forgot because of all that is going on there. She didn't send him with his regular food. Her last text to me was: I do care for my puppies and if I was rich, I would pay for the vet bills. I did send the shot records and the AKC papers are in there too. I found this funny because I already have his AKC papers that were shipped with him. If I do get another set of AKC papers .... then I know for sure that she sent me the wrong puppy. I am building a case so to speek when I do seek legal against her. Tammy

[gidget529]

She's a real gem!! How many of us are not rich but yet manage to take responsibility for our pets and pay the vet bills? Perhaps she needs to be evaluating pet ownership and breeding - maybe it's really not for her.
Good luck building a case against her.

[WiggleWagglePup]

I got Wiley's shot/dewormer records today, but no dates on vaccinations. I can't believe I got them***Check out the photo of it in my albumn photos*** I have decided to act like he has had NO VACCINATIONS. I will start his first set of DHPP in about a month as long as he is 100% FEELING Better. I will do another DHPP a month after first one and then wait for rabies until at least 8 months of age. I do know that he has no worms as fecal was checked. I know this doesn't rule out heart worms. Does anyone know if he needs to be dewormed again soon and when? Is there some schedule I should follow? He was 14wks on 05/14/11 this past Saturday. I got him 04/20/11 and he tested for no worms on 04/29/11 when they did fecal check again for the infections he had-to be sure they were gone. I am actually to the point today I am very angry with breeder. Off to Gymnastics with my baby girl..
Tammy

[Susan78]

I think this breeder needs to be put in the breeder review forum so people will know this lady is a cruel cold hearted puppy miller. I feel so bad these puppies have to go through this. Tammy bless your heart for all you are doing for Wiley. With all your love ,devotion and care for your baby hopefully he becomes a strong little boy. People especially ones that want to buy a pup online need to know about this idiot. Susan

[gidget529]

Wow, I wouldn't trust that paper either. Poor little Wiley! I agree with Susan, I would post the breeder in the breeder's review section of this site. We just got back from vet this eve again, if it helps you any they are saying Gidget's hacking is a tracheitis (husband videoed hacking episode this time). Is Wiley's improving?

Are still keeping little Wiley in our thoughts and prayers. Also praying for you in this situation - I think you are doing a great job sorting through all of this!

[Wrenee4]

Hi! I really hope your baby feels better soon!
First off with the vaccines I would go with that he hasn't had any. Even if a breeder does their own shots there are stickers that go with those shots that you would put on the paper to "prove" that they were given. I am amazed a vet would say ok with that paperwork to ship him.
Loosing hair is pretty normal in a pup that has been through so much. The body protects important organs first and hair is not that important and if in bad cases the hair will stop growing and will fall out. Don't worry - it will grow back just fine. I see you already checked for mange so I would think it is just a case of bad nutrition. Does your vet have fortiflora to add into his food? It's not cheap, but will help by adding probiotics (good bacteria), vitamens and more. They usualy really like it too.
Depending on how bad of a case of cocci do you think his blood sugar dropped and caused a seizure? This can also happen. Or was this gone by the time this happened?
I would really want to look more into that coughing. Just doesnt sound right to me. Kennel cough causes runny nose too? You can bring him in the bathroom with you when you take a shower to breath in the steam and that might help or the those things you use with kids when they are congested (sorry cant think of the name). I hope some of this might help!
Hugs to your Wiley!