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Woogie Man · 08-05-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BonBon

Could giving him milk thistle now possibly compromise the BAT results, should he need that test?

I've never heard of BAT results being reliable at 10 weeks, so not sure what the vet expects to find out. I think the newest recommended earliest age is 18 weeks, which is closer to the age of the organs fully developing (5 months).

gemy · 08-05-2010, 12:29 PM

Okay milk thistle no milk thistle at this point unless Mydogboots can get the dog into her vet and or speak with him/her tonight, re which by the way I think flushing/out potential toxins from the pups system is a great idea unless there is risk involved with said flushing it is a moot point.

She needs to prepare her dog for BATS test tomorrow, and conservatively speaking do nothing to compromise those results.

We are here for you and your pup. Focus on the tests, focus on the results, one step at a time.

Never mind the breeder for now. You can sort that out later. Max is a part of your family, just focus there.

We stand behind and beside you to help you out how-ever we can.

Woogie BATS have been done earlier as per the earlier protocol recommendations. It is only one indicator on the way tho DDx medical conditions.

stingraylady · 08-05-2010, 12:36 PM

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I have read the excitement and love in your posts since you got Max. I hope everything will be fine. Be strong.

beachdog · 08-05-2010, 12:48 PM

Paris and I are keeping you in our thoughts.

Debbier2010 · 08-05-2010, 12:58 PM

I do not have any experience with LS and so I have no advice... But my heart goes out to you and Max and I just want you to know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers...

kjc · 08-05-2010, 01:04 PM

I don't think so, as the BAT tests functionality. It will make a high ALT come down quicker. Might have to ask the vet on that one, to be sure. I do know that corticosteroids will interfere with the results.

LoALAnna · 08-05-2010, 01:19 PM

I'm so sorry that you're going through this with little Max. I know how hard it is when something comes along and takes your feet out from under you. Just know that we're all praying and hoping that the outcome will be ok, and that Max will have a long and healthy life.

kjc · 08-05-2010, 01:24 PM

Just thought of something else. Said his first vaccines were two weeks ago? Two weeks after getting the vaccines, the body is peaking making antibodies. Plus he got a coronavirus vac. Then, he got the Sentinel, while the vacs were peaking. I think his body is in overload, and his liver may be affected trying to handle all these toxins. May want to run this past your vet....

In two weeks, when he's due his next vaccines, I strongly suggest not repeating the Coronavirus, just do the DHPP. And when the time comes, always separate the DHPP Booster and Rabies by one month. Even though he's big for his age, he's still little when it comes to vaccines. Plus, they develope a stronger immune response when the Rabies is separated out by a month.

kjc · 08-05-2010, 01:34 PM

Did your vet ask you to fast him overnight? Did he give you a specific time? Because this could be hypoglycemia related/involved too, and 12 hours would be too long of a fast. Have your Nutrical with you, just in case. I believe the newest protocol calls for 8 hour fast... off to check...

ladyjane · 08-05-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

I started my company because I care about the well being of dogs. I hate to be so personal in a dog forum but I feel I have to for my own health. I am a total wreck. Part of me wants to take money out of my retirement fund and just give him the best care possible. Another part of me wants to ring the breeder's doorbell and drop him off at the front door.

i am so confused. i will wait for test results however i cannot stop worrying in the meantime.

i thank everyone immensely for their support.

Karen, PLEASE do not take him to her. If you get to where you don't want to keep him, let me or Robin know...we will take him if we can. We just had a LS pup in BR and he did really well after surgery at LSU.

You don't even know yet what it is...wait for the blood work. That honestly should show something if there is a shunt.

Take this one step at a time! Don't be too hasty. If she is willing to give you a replacement, I would say go for it if you do not want to do surgery on this one....but please, please do not give this poor puppy back to her.

I don't want to think what she will do.

ladyjane · 08-05-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kjc

Woogie Man is correct: A product like Denamarin (contains milk thistle) would help him out as a liver protectant and assists in regeneration. If he has LS, this is normally prescribed.

ETA: you can do LS surgery closer to home.. but it may cost $1000.00-$2000.00 more. Something else you want to price before you commit.

I will double check, but I believe we paid around !,600 for LS surgery at LSU!

ladyjane · 08-05-2010, 01:50 PM

Karen, I hope you have a quiet, restful evening. Try not to worry about what else this could be. You are already stressed and reading about a ton of other diagnosis is not going to help that at all.
As others have suggested, take it ONE step at a time. See what the blood work says and go from there.
I am sure if something is out of line in the blood work, your vet will be suggesting a specialist and if you need some names, perhaps Robin can help out. She does know lots of vets in the BR and NO area. Just let us know if we can help you in any way.
IF his symptoms get worse tonight, though, I would get him in to an emergency clinic.

Cha Cha · 08-05-2010, 01:55 PM

So sorry you are dealing with this. Sending hugs!

AllDogBoots · 08-05-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjc

Did your vet ask you to fast him overnight? Did he give you a specific time? Because this could be hypoglycemia related/involved too, and 12 hours would be too long of a fast. Have your Nutrical with you, just in case. I believe the newest protocol calls for 8 hour fast... off to check...

My vet said not to feed him in the morning. The nutrical is in my purse always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Karen, PLEASE do not take him to her. If you get to where you don't want to keep him, let me or Robin know...we will take him if we can. We just had a LS pup in BR and he did really well after surgery at LSU.

You don't even know yet what it is...wait for the blood work. That honestly should show something if there is a shunt.

Take this one step at a time! Don't be too hasty. If she is willing to give you a replacement, I would say go for it if you do not want to do surgery on this one....but please, please do not give this poor puppy back to her.

I don't want to think what she will do.

I won't give him back to the breeder. But putting him in rescue? It brings tears to my eyes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Karen, I hope you have a quiet, restful evening. Try not to worry about what else this could be. You are already stressed and reading about a ton of other diagnosis is not going to help that at all.
As others have suggested, take it ONE step at a time. See what the blood work says and go from there.
I am sure if something is out of line in the blood work, your vet will be suggesting a specialist and if you need some names, perhaps Robin can help out. She does know lots of vets in the BR and NO area. Just let us know if we can help you in any way.
IF his symptoms get worse tonight, though, I would get him in to an emergency clinic.

I will definitely be in contact with Robin. Thank you.

ladyjane · 08-05-2010, 02:07 PM

I think speaking with her will help you a lot! She is very thorough and logical. I have left her a message.

I am not suggesting rescue...just letting you know that is an option if you cannot handle it. I am hopeful that it won't be LS, but if it is that you can get it fixed!
He is a cutie, by the way.

08-05-2010, 12:29 PM	#107
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	Okay milk thistle no milk thistle at this point unless Mydogboots can get the dog into her vet and or speak with him/her tonight, re which by the way I think flushing/out potential toxins from the pups system is a great idea unless there is risk involved with said flushing it is a moot point. She needs to prepare her dog for BATS test tomorrow, and conservatively speaking do nothing to compromise those results. We are here for you and your pup. Focus on the tests, focus on the results, one step at a time. Never mind the breeder for now. You can sort that out later. Max is a part of your family, just focus there. We stand behind and beside you to help you out how-ever we can. Woogie BATS have been done earlier as per the earlier protocol recommendations. It is only one indicator on the way tho DDx medical conditions. __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

08-05-2010, 12:36 PM	#108
stingraylady I found Yorkie love Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,488	I'm so sorry you are going through this. I have read the excitement and love in your posts since you got Max. I hope everything will be fine. Be strong. __________________ Cathy www.furbabyfashionhouse.ca Handmade clothing for your furboys and furgirls.

08-05-2010, 12:58 PM	#110
Debbier2010 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Minneola,Florida Posts: 200	I do not have any experience with LS and so I have no advice... But my heart goes out to you and Max and I just want you to know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers... __________________ There is no psychiatrist in the world like a yorkie licking your face.

08-05-2010, 01:04 PM	#111
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	I don't think so, as the BAT tests functionality. It will make a high ALT come down quicker. Might have to ask the vet on that one, to be sure. I do know that corticosteroids will interfere with the results. __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

08-05-2010, 01:24 PM	#113
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Just thought of something else. Said his first vaccines were two weeks ago? Two weeks after getting the vaccines, the body is peaking making antibodies. Plus he got a coronavirus vac. Then, he got the Sentinel, while the vacs were peaking. I think his body is in overload, and his liver may be affected trying to handle all these toxins. May want to run this past your vet.... In two weeks, when he's due his next vaccines, I strongly suggest not repeating the Coronavirus, just do the DHPP. And when the time comes, always separate the DHPP Booster and Rabies by one month. Even though he's big for his age, he's still little when it comes to vaccines. Plus, they develope a stronger immune response when the Rabies is separated out by a month. __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity Last edited by kjc; 08-05-2010 at 01:28 PM.

08-05-2010, 12:48 PM	#109
beachdog Paris: Always in my ♥ Donating YT Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Neptune Beach, Fl USA Posts: 991 Blog Entries: 1	Paris and I are keeping you in our thoughts.

08-05-2010, 01:19 PM	#112
LoALAnna YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Elberta, AL USA Posts: 919	I'm so sorry that you're going through this with little Max. I know how hard it is when something comes along and takes your feet out from under you. Just know that we're all praying and hoping that the outcome will be ok, and that Max will have a long and healthy life.

08-05-2010, 01:34 PM	#114
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Did your vet ask you to fast him overnight? Did he give you a specific time? Because this could be hypoglycemia related/involved too, and 12 hours would be too long of a fast. Have your Nutrical with you, just in case. I believe the newest protocol calls for 8 hour fast... off to check... __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

08-05-2010, 01:50 PM	#117
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	Karen, I hope you have a quiet, restful evening. Try not to worry about what else this could be. You are already stressed and reading about a ton of other diagnosis is not going to help that at all. As others have suggested, take it ONE step at a time. See what the blood work says and go from there. I am sure if something is out of line in the blood work, your vet will be suggesting a specialist and if you need some names, perhaps Robin can help out. She does know lots of vets in the BR and NO area. Just let us know if we can help you in any way. IF his symptoms get worse tonight, though, I would get him in to an emergency clinic. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

08-05-2010, 01:55 PM	#118
Cha Cha Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 7,069	So sorry you are dealing with this. Sending hugs! __________________ Shelly and the girls Moka Mylee

08-05-2010, 02:07 PM	#120
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	I think speaking with her will help you a lot! She is very thorough and logical. I have left her a message. I am not suggesting rescue...just letting you know that is an option if you cannot handle it. I am hopeful that it won't be LS, but if it is that you can get it fixed! He is a cutie, by the way. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP