My poor Melody

[Ichabob]

I am pretty sure UT will set up an account for melody if they feel she is well enough for surgery, anyway Krystal now is going to be a long hard road.

I live in Knoxville, Tn years ago and my sister still lives there now as I have said before she is willing to pick her up at the airport and take her to UT. I had account there and assume I still do. UT was the only vet we use for 15 yrs.
I am going to be honest I know nothing about liver stunts, I prayed my babies and my fosters dogs that we never do. but I have read enough on YT to know it's something you don't wait and see when it's as bad as melody is.

I also wonder if they have already waited to long for help.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ichabob

I am pretty sure UT will set up an account for melody if they feel she is well enough for surgery, anyway Krystal now is going to be a long hard road.

I live in Knoxville, Tn years ago and my sister still lives there now as I have said before she is willing to pick her up at the airport and take her to UT. I had account there and assume I still do. UT was the only vet we use for 15 yrs.
I am going to be honest I know nothing about liver stunts, I prayed my babies and my fosters dogs that we never do. but I have read enough on YT to know it's something you don't wait and see when it's as bad as melody is.

I also wonder if they have already waited to long for help.

An account under who's name. Surely not Krystal since she could not get $30 together in six months.

My point is not so much that they will NOT give an account....they will want to know WHO is ultimately responsible for the bill. I seriously doubt they will accept that some unknown donors will be responsible.

Someone will need to sign on the dotted line!

[Ichabob]

I know that, but UT is a teaching hospital vet school, we open account in melody name using my account as person responsible for the balance. melody would have to be turn over to me, and some YT member we know and trust that lives in Knoville area would take over after she get out so all of us would know she is being taken care of and have follow up visit at UT. who ever that might be would set up her account and we donate through that account for her after care if needed.

I am just trying or grasping at straws here to get this pup some help.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ichabob

I know that, but UT is a teaching hospital vet school, we open account in melody name using my account as person responsible for the balance. melody would have to be turn over to me, and some YT member we know and trust that lives in Knoville area would take over after she get out so all of us would know she is being taken care of and have follow up visit at UT. who ever that might be would set up her account and we donate through that account for her after care if needed.

I am just trying or grasping at straws here to get this pup some help.

Very nice of you. I just hope you can afford this if enough money does not come through.

And then we are now talking about a possibility of some YT member taking over after surgery? Someone we know and trust? I am sorry, but that is just not plausible. Why does everyone assume that just because a person is on YT they are ok? Someone would need to check this person out...what kind of vetting and care they provide for their personal pets would be the first thing.

This thread is exhausting. Everyone means well, but people seriously are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

[Ichabob]

There have been several people on here that have gone to UT for this surgery I am looking at $3000.00 as bad as shape we think she we is in. My sister would keep her and follow up with her after care if needed. I think there a lot YT members out there that will help with this. maybe I am wrong but I don't think so.

[Ichabob]

Very nice of you. I just hope you can afford this if enough money does not come through.

And then we are now talking about a possibility of some YT member taking over after surgery? Someone we know and trust? I am sorry, but that is just not plausible. Why does everyone assume that just because a person is on YT they are ok? Someone would need to check this person out...what kind of vetting and care they provide for their personal pets would be the first thing.

This thread is exhausting. Everyone means well, but people seriously are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

So you think we need to give up on melody?
what did you have in mind?

[cj125]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Very nice of you. I just hope you can afford this if enough money does not come through.

And then we are now talking about a possibility of some YT member taking over after surgery? Someone we know and trust? I am sorry, but that is just not plausible. Why does everyone assume that just because a person is on YT they are ok? Someone would need to check this person out...what kind of vetting and care they provide for their personal pets would be the first thing.

This thread is exhausting. Everyone means well, but people seriously are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

Unfortunately, I agree with you ladyjane & jeanm1963. This sounds so nice but the reality is IF Melody lives she will need care for YEARS after surgery. You can not count on a group of people on a forum to provide financial care for this puppy for it's life. There will be medical issues down the road - what then? No, IF Melody lives through this, she needs to either go to someone who is financially capable of caring for her -or- a rescue that will screen a new owner and make sure that they can afford her.

This is so sad, and with each passing day it's gets harder for me to think about it. Maybe the plan was to "let her go" in Krystal's care and we were just not made aware of it.

I did check out Kathleen's profile and I do believe she has "enough" on her plate right now. I'm sure she meant well and would do whatever she could to help but I think she needs to take care of her health right now.

You can only lead a thirsty horse to the water - you can't drink it for them!

I'm outta here....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ichabob

Very nice of you. I just hope you can afford this if enough money does not come through.

And then we are now talking about a possibility of some YT member taking over after surgery? Someone we know and trust? I am sorry, but that is just not plausible. Why does everyone assume that just because a person is on YT they are ok? Someone would need to check this person out...what kind of vetting and care they provide for their personal pets would be the first thing.

This thread is exhausting. Everyone means well, but people seriously are making this much more difficult than it needs to be.

So you think we need to give up on melody?
what did you have in mind?

It appears that we're getting no in depth information on this.

I have seen vets set up accounts for dogs. But, Kathleen who appears to taken the ball and run with this has not given us any in depth information on what is been done. At the very least if she isn't able to continue (because of her health issues) she maybe able to let us know where she's at so someone else can pick up the ball and get Melody some help now.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by cj125

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You can only lead a thirsty horse to the water - you can't drink it for them!

I'm outta here....

You know, this is what I have been thinking all morning.

Now, I am being asked what my plans would be? Oh please...enough is enough.

If someone had listened almost a week ago to those who did have the capabilities of caring for Melody this cluster would not be.

I am going to do my best to ignore this thread from now on.

The people in control know how to contact someone if they wish. No sense beating my head against a wall.

I have been crystal clear and have not been "mean" as so many would say. This is about Melody. UGH...cannot believe I am even typing that one more time.

[Bianca]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You know, this is what I have been thinking all morning.

Now, I am being asked what my plans would be? Oh please...enough is enough.

If someone had listened almost a week ago to those who did have the capabilities of caring for Melody this cluster would not be.

I am going to do my best to ignore this thread from now on.

The people in control know how to contact someone if they wish. No sense beating my head against a wall.

I have been crystal clear and have not been "mean" as so many would say. This is about Melody. UGH...cannot believe I am even typing that one more time.

I totally agree with you. Someone needs to say it and I thank you for being the one and being honest, all you say is the truth.
I do pray Melody is ok and is getting the help she deserves. No-one deserves to suffer an animal or human.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by kjc

I have been in contact with Krystal. I don't know yet what the plan is with Kathleen or what she planned to do to help Melody. I am assuming that after speaking with the vet, it was decided to leave Melody with Krystal and begin medications, as Kathleen has health issues of her own to deal with, and was unable to go pick up Melody as was planned due to bad weather.I am not trying to be rude here but there we many people including rescues that offered to help. Kathleen is the one that made her self available, yet she knew she had a medical condtion and an upcoming operation , this is what caused the OP To not pursue other avenues.. True It was 4 days ago, I am very sure a rescue could have made travel arraingments by then NOW we are 4 days in the negitive? True It wasnt decided by DR Tobias or a vet at UCLA what to do with Melody or if foods and meds were enough True, but not the point., Kathleen decided this and Melody's Vet and from what I am reading had no follow up plan if it didnt that we know of as she now has a medical condition and is getting an operation.



Update on Melody: Melody was/is very close to dying from the toxins not being removed by her liver. She weighs 2.6# and at that weight accompanied with her level of toxicity, prognosis is poor that she would survive a surgery to repair her liver shunt at this time, or even the trip to the hospital. Again I am not trying to be rude here but who determined this? I did. Im going to assume that you did not speak to the vet? No Im also going to come right out and say that NONE Of us are vets here so we dont know for sure that this is the case!! True I am also going to assume that the current vet is not qualified to determine if the dog can be stablized and prepare for surgury? Any Vet should be able to access a dog's condition.
It appeared to me that it may take a day or two to arrange for a rescue to pick her up, that's when Kathleen volunteered to get her. That fell through due to the weather. I PMed Krystal to get Melody on antibiotics, lactulose and Denamarin immediately to at least help Melody's liver to recover, if at all possible and to at least begin getting the toxins out of her body making her healthier for the day she does have her surgery, and while arrangements could be made for whatever they decided to do. Please clarify who is " they" Kathleen and Krystal, if Krystal has no finacial ability to get the liver shunt operation I am assuming Kathleen had a plan and as YOU state Kathleen has medical issues WHO , WHERE and when is this puppy going to get to those hospitals. This is what needs to be worked out now. I am waiting to get some answers from Krystal or Kathleen as to what they had planned to do.

Melody started her meds and a new diet. Krystal mixed the new with the old, but Melody picked out the new and ate it. This made her stomach bloat this morning. It has gone down some, and Melody is still exhibiting neurological symptoms but has shown some improvement.

I still have questions that I'm waiting for answers on. Rescue is not totally out of the running, I'm looking into air travel to U of T through Pilots N Paws, Maybe a YT member there to get her off the plane and take her to the U of T, and now waiting to hear from Kathleen and Krystal for their decisions. I know Kathleen was looking into having the surgery done in California, so waiting for an update there. And is there a rescue that could pick her up immediately? I know some of this is redundant, but I'm not familiar with rescues in her area and anything will still take time to put into action.Its frustrating because 4 days have passed that would have allowed a rescue to get her! True.


And just to throw this out there: This is the 3rd LS/MVD case I'm aware of where the Vets and/or clients got a diagnosis and nothing further was done. In Melody's case, a low protein diet was advised but no meds prescribed. I don't know if the Vets are dropping the ball coupled by the clients not understanding the severity of LS/MVD or not understanding the options available or what. I'll be reading threads in a different light from now on.

[QUOTE=jeanm1963;2953969]I do NOT blame Krystal at all , Im sure no one will , however leaving Melody with a VET that doesnt even know enough to perscribe meds certainly isnt going to help MELODY. True IT is also not going to help MELODY if we are assuming things. True YOU stated Melody is not stable enough for the operation , HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?? Natural sequence of events This should not be determined by 1 phone call to Krystal, expecially now since we know that by the phone call between Krystal and Kathleen we assumed Diet and Meds would help , they HAVE NOT. But they have helped. She was still functioning as of my last correspondence with Krystal.[/QUOTE]

Liver shunt/MVD are basically treated the same, with medications and proper low protein diets. Without medications and special diet, the dog will continue to produce toxins that it cannot get rid of, until the point that it dies. A dog with LS can exhibit no symptoms at all, or as the body becomes more and more toxic, symptoms will appear. The first symptoms are the inability to maintain a healthy weight, and lethargy as the liver cannot store energy producing nutrients. As the body becomes more toxic, neurological signs appear such as circling, head pressing, drooling, blindness, etc. If nothing is done, seizures, coma and death would come next. When lactulose and antibiotics are administered, they mechanically begin to change the condition of the body and help to physically block the production and absorbtion of the toxins, thereby allowing the liver to begin to rid the body of the toxins that have already infiltrated the dog's system. How quickly this happens depends on the amount of functioning liver the dog has left. Of course the ideal situation is to surgically repair the shunt or medicate the dog and feed a special diet as soon as this condition is diagnosed, not to wait until the amont of toxicity is evidenced by the dog's behaviors/symptoms.

[Ichabob]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It appears that we're getting no in depth information on this.

I have seen vets set up accounts for dogs. But, Kathleen who appears to taken the ball and run with this has not given us any in depth information on what is been done. At the very least if she isn't able to continue (because of her health issues) she maybe able to let us know where she's at so someone else can pick up the ball and get Melody some help now.

I know I know it's just so hard to sit back and wait when you know the pup in pain and really nothing is being done to help her. I told my husband about this thread he told me to do what I thought needed to be done.

I didn't mean to offend anyone I am sorry if I came across that way I didn't mean too.
Penny

[violet voon]

I don't know why I'm still following this thread, this thread breaks my heart every time I read. Why Melody is still not in the hospital she should be in long ago?
I'm very sad for Melody...my tears are rolling down as I'm typing.
I hope she could make it

[Mardelin]

[quote=kjc;2954054]

Originally Posted by jeanm1963

I do NOT blame Krystal at all , Im sure no one will , however leaving Melody with a VET that doesnt even know enough to perscribe meds certainly isnt going to help MELODY. True IT is also not going to help MELODY if we are assuming things. True YOU stated Melody is not stable enough for the operation , HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?? Natural sequence of events This should not be determined by 1 phone call to Krystal, expecially now since we know that by the phone call between Krystal and Kathleen we assumed Diet and Meds would help , they HAVE NOT. But they have helped. She was still functioning as of my last correspondence with Krystal.[/QUOTE]

Liver shunt/MVD are basically treated the same, with medications and proper low protein diets. Without medications and special diet, the dog will continue to produce toxins that it cannot get rid of, until the point that it dies. A dog with LS can exhibit no symptoms at all, or as the body becomes more and more toxic, symptoms will appear. The first symptoms are the inability to maintain a healthy weight, and lethargy as the liver cannot store energy producing nutrients. As the body becomes more toxic, neurological signs appear such as circling, head pressing, drooling, blindness, etc. If nothing is done, seizures, coma and death would come next. When lactulose and antibiotics are administered, they mechanically begin to change the condition of the body and help to physically block the production and absorbtion of the toxins, thereby allowing the liver to begin to rid the body of the toxins that have already infiltrated the dog's system. How quickly this happens depends on the amount of functioning liver the dog has left. Of course the ideal situation is to surgically repair the shunt or medicate the dog and feed a special diet as soon as this condition is diagnosed, not to wait until the amont of toxicity is evidenced by the dog's behaviors/symptoms.

Thanks so much for the update.....so, all and all it's up in the air.....time is not on our side.......

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Ichabob

I know I know it's just so hard to sit back and wait when you know the pup in pain and really nothing is being done to help her. I told my husband about this thread he told me to do what I thought needed to be done.

I didn't mean to offend anyone I am sorry if I came across that way I didn't mean too.
Penny

This is why I pushed to get her on the medications. If she is not too far gone, the medications will help her. If she is too far gone, nothing would have helped her anyway. It just takes time for the medications to work. In the meantime, while we wait for Kathleen and Krystal to respond, the meds will keep Melody from getting any worse, and we can get some info together.