GI Problems are driving me nuts

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Ask her about the levels of mercury in fish that is not farm raised. Is that not also a concern?
I really thought that salmon and tilapia that are farm raised were healthier because of that.

mercury is bad as well and why i like nordicnaturals.com omega 3 fish oil over any other as they use sardine and anchovy and it is distilled so no mercury. Also it has vitamin e as fish oil depletes the body of vitamin e so if you supplement with fish oil you have to supplement vitamine e with it

i agree get her to eat whatever and i why i recommended that crap little cesars lollll no dog refuses that food lolllll

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So now you're saying my husband's Cardiac Specialist is a quack......

I really think that you need allow Lissette follow her vet's instructions......She's dealing with a life threatening issue, and getting her dog to eat and if her vet recommended Talapia and it inticed her to eat, great.

lol not a quack but there is a reason he is a cardiologist and not a nutritionist lol he is recommending white fish i am sure - I am sure his research is not on toxins in fish and is on research in heart disease lollll

I really do not understand why you get so nasty in your posts to me when i try to help with info that I have learned and share and provide facts just because someone does not agree there is no reason to be nasty

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

farm raised fish are not healthy for us or the dogs; however, right now the primary concern is for lola to eat. also, you can always find wild salmon, tilapia or cod in the shops; u just have to look or ask for wild not farm raised, if you are concerned about it. however i believe no harm will be done if she eats the farm raised for a short period of time. hope she gets better

here are some publications about farm raised vs wild fish
Popular Fish, Tilapia, Contains Potentially Dangerous Fatty Acid Combination
Farm Raised Salmon vs Wild Salmon: Which one is better?
InteliHealth:
WHFoods: Is there any nutritional difference between wild-caught and farm-raised fish? Is one type better for me than the other?
Study finds farm-raised salmon laden with cancer-causing chemicals

this is correct and a dog being 5-6lbs it affects them more than a human that weighs alot more

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by cj125

No wonder you're so crazy!!!

Aha! Now I know what I can blame it on! It's the darned fish.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Yes he said to feed white fish so I steamed tilapia tonight for her. She woofed it down. Yea....We made it thru another day. Doc told me that this fungus is treatable, the problem is the medicine. Very toxic and can kill her. Thats why I am so cautious about her eating and drinking water. I will keep her on tilapia for now with fresh fruit and a vegi. or steamed rice. The zuchinni sounds good. I will call my vet in the morning. Thanks so much for all your support. She has no allerigies that I am aware of. Lissette

Mmmmm! Steamed tilapia, rice and zuchinni? Can I come have dinner with Lola?

I agree with the others - if she'll eat, feed it. Worry about everything else later.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Mmmmm! Steamed tilapia, rice and zuchinni? Can I come have dinner with Lola?

I agree with the others - if she'll eat, feed it. Worry about everything else later.

the only reason i mentioned it is try the cod if she eats that it is less likely contaminated if not farm raised as she already has highly toxic drug in her system so anything contaminated further added into body would not be good. If she will not eat the wild cod then by all means give the tilapia or whatever she will eat. The liver is already showing some signs of this so low protein fish is good just much prefer cod IF SHE WILL EAT IT which i believe she will as it tastes like tilapia as i agree with all here eating is most important but if you can eat with less toxins all the better

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by dwerten

lol not a quack but there is a reason he is a cardiologist and not a nutritionist lol he is recommending white fish i am sure - I am sure his research is not on toxins in fish and is on research in heart disease lollll

I really do not understand why you get so nasty in your posts to me when i try to help with info that I have learned and share and provide facts just because someone does not agree there is no reason to be nasty

Not being nasty to you, but your posts continousely emphizise your recommendations over the recommendations of a vet, you are putting yourself in a position of responsibility. Not a good thing
Providing information is one thing but, insisting that someone follow your recommendations over that of their vet's is another.

When you make a statement such as this without facts on who the Dr is and his expertise.....well not a good thing. "I am sure his research is not on toxins in fish and is on research in heart disease" You insulted my husband's Cardiac Physician's knowledge and proficency. This Physician has kept my husband free from another heart attack and healthy for the last 6 years.

You state over and over your dissatisfication with vets and doctors. However, they are the experts. There is information all over the internet to help us in our research. But, bottom line these doctors and vets have a lot of knowledge and have spent years going to school to be in the field they are in. I pay them for that knowledge.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not being nasty to you, but your posts continousely emphizise your recommendations over the recommendations of a vet, you are putting yourself in a position of responsibility. Not a good thing
Providing information is one thing but, insisting that someone follow your recommendations over that of their vet's is another.

When you make a statement such as this without facts on who the Dr is and his expertise.....well not a good thing. "I am sure his research is not on toxins in fish and is on research in heart disease"

You state over and over your dissatisfication with vets and doctors. However, they are the experts. There is information all over the internet to help us in our research. But, bottom line these doctors and vets have a lot of knowledge and have spent years going to school to be in the field they are in. I pay them for that knowledge.

I mean absolutely no disrespect. I totally agree with Mary. It is one thing to give advice or share our experiences; but, there is a line we should not cross.
I don't think she was being nasty at all....she was stating a fact. You cannot assume that every doctor or vet is uneducated about nutrition or for that matter, veterinary medicine in general.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not being nasty to you, but your posts continousely emphizise your recommendations over the recommendations of a vet, you are putting yourself in a position of responsibility. Not a good thing
Providing information is one thing but, insisting that someone follow your recommendations over that of their vet's is another.

When you make a statement such as this without facts on who the Dr is and his expertise.....well not a good thing. "I am sure his research is not on toxins in fish and is on research in heart disease" You insulted my husband's Cardiac Physician's knowledge and proficency. This Physician has kept my husband free from another heart attack and healthy for the last 6 years.

You state over and over your dissatisfication with vets and doctors. However, they are the experts. There is information all over the internet to help us in our research. But, bottom line these doctors and vets have a lot of knowledge and have spent years going to school to be in the field they are in. I pay them for that knowledge.

sorry but i disagree as you have made comments about wow my dog has another diagnosis, you have been rude on another thread about liver shunt and upset the original op and she stated it in the thread. So I do think you are nasty and sorry but there is a reason there are nutritionalists who specialize in nutrition, cardiologists who specialize in cardiology a doctor or vet cannot know everything about everything and if you think so you are sadly mistaken.

I am not a vet neither are you nor anyone that i know of on here but if i know something from reading it i will share it whether you think i am coming from an authority on it that is your problem as i am simply sharing that farm raised fish has more potential of toxins as the links have been posted so no one is saying your doc is a QUACK as you put it - if i felt your doc or this vet was a QUACK believe me i would say it trust me i don't hold back usually but i have let you make your nasty comments and have responded to them nicely and will no longer do so - learn how to spell and others may take you more seriously as well see we can all be nasty here if you want but there is a sick dog here so being polite to one another is the nice thing to do not attacking each other as we can all do that as i have just done to you - for some reason you take everything so personally when a comment is made and lash out with your senseless comments - if you have an argument do so intelligently not lashing out with rudeness

this site is not based on vets everyone knows it we give our information we have learned and read and the persons responsibility is to consult with their vet or doctor if they do not do that it is on them

we all need help at some point as Linda helped me this week as my dog was very sick two days ago and she was kind and called me to discuss

Now if you have an intelligent link to something to dispute what elly and i have posted saying farm raised is better than wild fish by all means post it if not your just lashing out with no back up to your argument saying your cardiologist has done all the research and tilapia is best sorry show me the documentation I am not just taking someones word when i have read so much differently

I am very familiar with cardiology as a matter of fact my dad is going in for an angiogram today and had open heart surgery two years ago but his cardiologist guaranteed would not say he is an expert on tilapia but i can ask him today if you would like

what i find so ironic is you sit here and put me down about my experience of vets and then you post how you have not been able to find a decent vet here in california for the two years you have been here now how ironic is that and would be happy to post the link of you saying this so please spare me about the vet thing you know exactly what i have been experiencing here compared to texas where you had good experiences

[ally173]

i agree with Deb; this post was meant to seek advice for Lola and her owner and it's not fair for them to read nasty posts or see us attach each other verbally. Deb is posting advice and Lola's owner can choose to take them or not. that's why we are here on YT to be supportive and nice to each other. and i have been there and Deb and Linda helped me through a lot and without them i wouldn't have been able to save my dog.
i hope lola is feeling better today

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by dwerten

sorry but i disagree as you have made comments about wow my dog has another diagnosis, you have been rude on another thread about liver shunt and upset the original op and she stated it in the thread. So I do think you are nasty and sorry but there is a reason there are nutritionalists who specialize in nutrition, cardiologists who specialize in cardiology a doctor or vet cannot know everything about everything and if you think so you are sadly mistaken.

I am not a vet neither are you nor anyone that i know of on here but if i know something from reading it i will share it whether you think i am coming from an authority on it that is your problem as i am simply sharing that farm raised fish has more potential of toxins as the links have been posted so no one is saying your doc is a QUACK as you put it - if i felt your doc or this vet was a QUACK believe me i would say it trust me i don't hold back usually but i have let you make your nasty comments and have responded to them nicely and will no longer do so - learn how to spell and others may take you more seriously as well see we can all be nasty here if you want but there is a sick dog here so being polite to one another is the nice thing to do not attacking each other as we can all do that as i have just done to you - for some reason you take everything so personally when a comment is made and lash out with your senseless comments - if you have an argument do so intelligently not lashing out with rudeness

this site is not based on vets everyone knows it we give our information we have learned and read and the persons responsibility is to consult with their vet or doctor if they do not do that it is on them

we all need help at some point as Linda helped me this week as my dog was very sick two days ago and she was kind and called me to discuss

Now if you have an intelligent link to something to dispute what elly and i have posted saying farm raised is better than wild fish by all means post it if not your just lashing out with no back up to your argument saying your cardiologist has done all the research and tilapia is best sorry show me the documentation I am not just taking someones word when i have read so much differently

I am very familiar with cardiology as a matter of fact my dad is going in for an angiogram today and had open heart surgery two years ago but his cardiologist guaranteed would not say he is an expert on tilapia but i can ask him today if you would like

what i find so ironic is you sit here and put me down about my experience of vets and then you post how you have not been able to find a decent vet here in california for the two years you have been here now how ironic is that and would be happy to post the link of you saying this so please spare me about the vet thing you know exactly what i have been experiencing here compared to texas where you had good experiences

Again, I will state, you do not know the expertise of my husband's Caridioligist, so you can't make a blanket statment such as you did.

Offering advice is one thing; and as stated before there is a thin line between offering advice and recommending over a vet's treatment. Especially when you aren't with the owner of the dog in the examination room and have first hand knowledge of tests that have been performed on the dog.

You are right I have not been able to find a good vet, by my standards. But, my needs for a vet are different than yours. My dogs do not require continous vet care as non are have chronic illnesses. What my dissatisfaction is with California vets is they place $$$$ over the treatment of the dog, leading to unnecessary testing and medications. And no this does not hinder me from taking my dogs in should they require medical treatment.

If you feel I'm being nasty, so be it, but my intention is to caution you when providing information and not present it in a manner that is recommending over a vet's.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I mean absolutely no disrespect. I totally agree with Mary. It is one thing to give advice or share our experiences; but, there is a line we should not cross.
I don't think she was being nasty at all....she was stating a fact. You cannot assume that every doctor or vet is uneducated about nutrition or for that matter, veterinary medicine in general.

so did i ever call her doctor a quack? It is common knowledge that most doctors and vets do not know much about nutrition unless they specialize in it. sorry but you need to read her other posts on the other threads and would be happy to link here or pm you with them. I have been here helping for years and she is the only one that has responded rudely. Actually most people are very nice and appreciative to one another knowing no one is a vet here - they are coming to a public forum for information, support and education from other dog owners as they have a vet or specialist that sees there dog

I am not going to be made to feel uncomfortable in helping someone walking on egg shells as then that just makes people who do not like confrontation uncomfortable and not want to help people with information that may be helpful so i think that is wrong. Everyone should be able to post helpful things and the owner can make their OWN mind up on what is best for their dog

If i post a thread and everyone responds I gather that info do my own research consult vet or specialist and then do what i feel is best for my dog and i think everyone else does the same at least i thought that is how it works here.

[ally173]

Deb, sorry to hear that Dex is not feeling well; what happened. ibd episode again? hope he's feeling better
i know isn't linda great; she's always there when you need her. i really appreciate people like you that go out of your way to help.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Again, I will state, you do not know the expertise of my husband's Caridioligist, so you can't make a blanket statment such as you did.

Offering advice is one thing; and as stated before there is a thin line between offering advice and recommending over a vet's treatment. Especially when you aren't with the owner of the dog in the examination room and have first hand knowledge of tests that have been performed on the dog.

You are right I have not been able to find a good vet, by my standards. But, my needs for a vet are different than yours. My dogs do not require continous vet care as non are have chronic illnesses. What my dissatisfaction is with California vets is they place $$$$ over the treatment of the dog, leading to unnecessary testing and medications. And no this does not hinder me from taking my dogs in should they require medical treatment.

If you feel I'm being nasty, so be it, but my intention is to caution you when providing information and not present it in a manner that is recommending over a vet's.

right so imagine spending the MONEY and having dogs that are chronically ill and dealing with all that not very fun and those of us with chronically ill dogs have alot of experience and knowledge first hand with this stuff so by you stating you do not have these issues with your dogs you should have more sympathy for those of us that do as one day you may not have such healthy dogs and need help. I would much rather get advice from someone that has first hand experience of an illness than someone who does not and keeps telling me go to the vet. Many times i have seen people be nasty to people with sick dogs and then they end up with a sick dog in tears sorry they were ever nasty spending thousands they swore they would never spend because it has now happened to them - karma is a powerful thing so I believe in helping as much as i can with what i have experienced. Do I sit and critique every post no and i am not about to and be paranoid about helping someone with a sick dog. I will state what i know and my experience and they can make up their mind on what is best all bodies are different both human and dogs what works for one may not work for another one but we can all try to be compassionate, caring, share our experiences good, bad or indifferent.

You will never see me helping someone with a delivery of puppies or anything to do with pregnancy as i have no clue and won't even go there so we all have our own experiences to share and we should be thankful we have a place to share with others and help our dogs and respect one another.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

Deb, sorry to hear that Dex is not feeling well; what happened. ibd episode again? hope he's feeling better
i know isn't linda great; she's always there when you need her. i really appreciate people like you that go out of your way to help.

yeah he was vomitting tuesday from 5:45 am to 11 am it was not pretty - not really sure but witheld food, water and was in contact with hospital and back up vet as our vet was on vacation and internal medicine specialist was out until friday. Linda talked to me as i get really nervous and a few other friends from my yorkie groups called me as well so we got him through it and then he wanted food at 8 that night so soaked some kibble to see if he could keep it down and luckily he is back to normal but i am very thankful for linda's conversation as it helps to have someone to talk to when things are going bad and having had the dreaded pancreatitis and almost dying 4 years ago vomitting with him freaks me out big time - i called in sick to work and stayed home all day and dh took half day yesterday off to make sure he was over it