PLEASE READ... Our New Yorkie Pup is Sick!

[Patti]

To the original OP I am so happy your puppy is showing signs of improvement.

[KYBLUE]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Very good points. I was going to mention about bringing it home on your shoes too.

What it boils down too is that parasites are out there and there is nothing that can be done about that.

Treating your new puppy like an infant and getting it medical care at the first sign of trouble are keys to keeping it healthy.

Many new owners wait too long to get the puppy to the vet because they don't want the expense.

It is sad the breeder is blamed most of the time
and it could be at one time or another the breeders fault if they know before had
but taking a new puppy home changing its habits its diet right away to me is a huge no no a puppies diet needs to be changed over a period of 2 weeks
there are so many that claim to be dog savvy and have not a clue on a puppy
it needs its rest it needs time to adjust to its new surroundings and feeding schedule it is a baby even adult dog sometimes take longer to adjust to a new home new breeder old breeder we learn about the things we need to watch for and be very pedicular to whom we sell to i do not like to see any puppy with cocci or any other health issue but it happens and even if you explain to the new puppy owner everything and give them loads of material to read and learn about
some just go home and do what they see fit anyway
but i truly hope this little puppy op has a very long healthy life and i am so sorry you have had such a long hard road to hoe with this baby

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

It is sad the breeder is blamed most of the time
and it could be at one time or another the breeders fault if they know before had
but taking a new puppy home changing its habits its diet right away to me is a huge no no a puppies diet needs to be changed over a period of 2 weeks
there are so many that claim to be dog savvy and have not a clue on a puppy
it needs its rest it needs time to adjust to its new surroundings and feeding schedule it is a baby even adult dog sometimes take longer to adjust to a new home new breeder old breeder we learn about the things we need to watch for and be very pedicular to whom we sell to i do not like to see any puppy with cocci or any other health issue but it happens and even if you explain to the new puppy owner everything and give them loads of material to read and learn about
some just go home and do what they see fit anyway
but i truly hope this little puppy op has a very long healthy life and i am so sorry you have had such a long hard road to hoe with this baby

You are so right. I do know of a reputable breeder that was chastised because the new puppy owner brought her puppy home and 3 days later had an outburst of coccidia.......The puppy was healthy and outgoing in it's own surrounding...but, taken to a new home.....away from it's siblings, mother and breeder, stressful for a new puppy. I know the breeder on a personal basis and had been to her home on numerous occassions....immaculate......

I know that traveling to to shows and putting my seasoned dogs in a new environment, the first night they won't eat......They're with me, but it's a new location, not familiar with....however, mild it maybe it is still stressful...away from their normal routine.

[rbelland]

Things happen and thats all there is to it. Breeders could go through a long list of the what if's and this and that.

ALL BREEDERS eventually have problems with their litters and so on.

I have said enough, wonderful world of internet

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

It is sad the breeder is blamed most of the time

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

and it could be at one time or another the breeders fault if they know before had
but taking a new puppy home changing its habits its diet right away to me is a huge no no a puppies diet needs to be changed over a period of 2 weeks
there are so many that claim to be dog savvy and have not a clue on a puppy
it needs its rest it needs time to adjust to its new surroundings and feeding schedule it is a baby even adult dog sometimes take longer to adjust to a new home new breeder old breeder we learn about the things we need to watch for and be very pedicular to whom we sell to i do not like to see any puppy with cocci or any other health issue but it happens and even if you explain to the new puppy owner everything and give them loads of material to read and learn about
some just go home and do what they see fit anyway
but i truly hope this little puppy op has a very long healthy life and i am so sorry you have had such a long hard road to hoe with this baby

[YorkieMom6]

I hope Phoebe is doing well and gets to come home today!

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Coccidia does not show up in the feces unless they are active within the dog. The mother could be carrying, could have had it since before the breeder even bought her, and no one would know.

Coccidia can show up in dogs coming from any kennel, including show breeders because their dogs are exposed to many other dogs. The cysts can be picked up off the ground even though the owner picked up the dogs feces and disposed of it properly.

It does not mean that the breeder does not take care of their dogs.It can be picked up in a dog park, or on a walk, anywhere where another dog has been. It can lie dormant in a dog for their entire lives. The fact is most dogs carry it. Not only dogs, other animals. They can get it from rabbit feces or deer feces.

It is a very common parasite.

You seem to bring up alot of issues here that are unrelated to the subject of parasites.

What it all boils down to is do your homework before you buy. But parasites are not necessarily indicarive of neglected dogs or filthy conditions.

I never said all parasites are related to neglect or filthy conditions. I am saying that most BACK YARD BREEDERS don't have a clue to what health conditions their Dams, Sires, or litters are in. It is obvious. There are too many sick puppies and not all of them come from puppymills. There are too many uninformed people who get their puppies from BYB's, thinking they are reputable ones. Some BYB's can appear to be reputable, but if you really grind them on the history of their breeding business and pay attention you can save yourself a lot of money, headaches, and heartaches as well.

And the issues I bring up are part of the problem concerning BYB's and puppymills, because neither do the RIGHT WORK for a healthy representation of the breed.

[Cerise]

To the OP I pray that all things work out well for you and your baby!

[rbelland]

[QUOTE=Cerise;2903598]I never said all parasites are related to neglect or filthy conditions. I am saying that most BACK YARD BREEDERS don't have a clue to what health conditions their Dams, Sires, or litters are in. It is obvious. There are too many sick puppies and not all of them come from puppymills. There are too many uninformed people who get their puppies from BYB's, thinking they are reputable ones. Some BYB's can appear to be reputable, but if you really grind them on the history of their breeding business and pay attention you can save yourself a lot of money, headaches, and heartaches as well.

And the issues I bring up are part of the problem concerning BYB's and puppymills, because neither do the RIGHT WORK for a healthy representation of the breed.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe you should open a new thread.

To the op. I am happy to hear your baby is getting a bit better! I will be praying for a speedy recovery!!!

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You know what I don't buy it. When I have new families picking up their pups. I provide them with an baby book, an encyclopedia. It contains everything about that puppy, it's background, medical records, pics, how to on everything from hyperglycemia, to coccidia, giardia, liver shunt, etc. The signs to look for and what to do, along with calling me. We sit and go through the list of instruction on everything. My families have always told me that the reason that they chose to buy a pup from me is that I cared enough to educate them and was honest with them...

That is great! That is what is needed to be done...educate new parents of furbabies. I have no interest in breeding, but I am beginning to have serious interest in informing people of the pro's and con's of looking for the right puppy, and to work with bringing down puppymills.

[Cerise]

[quote=rbelland;2903606]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I never said all parasites are related to neglect or filthy conditions. I am saying that most BACK YARD BREEDERS don't have a clue to what health conditions their Dams, Sires, or litters are in. It is obvious. There are too many sick puppies and not all of them come from puppymills. There are too many uninformed people who get their puppies from BYB's, thinking they are reputable ones. Some BYB's can appear to be reputable, but if you really grind them on the history of their breeding business and pay attention you can save yourself a lot of money, headaches, and heartaches as well.

And the issues I bring up are part of the problem concerning BYB's and puppymills, because neither do the RIGHT WORK for a healthy representation of the breed.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe you should open a new thread.

To the op. I am happy to hear your baby is getting a bit better! I will be praying for a speedy recovery!!!

You are right. Everyone, I am sorry for ranting.

I just get so upset when new puppy owners go through these things with their new found love. They don't even get to enjoy the first week bringing their baby home in peace

[KYBLUE]

[quote=Cerise;2903620]

Originally Posted by rbelland

You are right. Everyone, I am sorry for ranting.

I just get so upset when new puppy owners go through these things with their new found love. They don't even get to enjoy the first week bringing their baby home in peace

i agree this needs to be a thread of its own as to not disrespect the op
by hijacking it she has a sick baby and it needs to be about her baby

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I never said all parasites are related to neglect or filthy conditions. I am saying that most BACK YARD BREEDERS don't have a clue to what health conditions their Dams, Sires, or litters are in. It is obvious. There are too many sick puppies and not all of them come from puppymills. There are too many uninformed people who get their puppies from BYB's, thinking they are reputable ones. Some BYB's can appear to be reputable, but if you really grind them on the history of their breeding business and pay attention you can save yourself a lot of money, headaches, and heartaches as well.

And the issues I bring up are part of the problem concerning BYB's and puppymills, because neither do the RIGHT WORK for a healthy representation of the breed.

First of all define Byb. and then tell me how you know that they do not know what condition their dogs are in.

It does not matter who the breeder is, any puppy has the potential to be infested with coccidia for all of the reasons that have been previously stated.

These buyers that are buying from disreputable breeders are doing so because the dogs are cheaper, or because reputable breeders will not sell to them.

If they took the time to ask questions other than "how much" they would be able to distinguish between good breeders and bad breeders. But when they are only concerned with the price they do not ask any other questions.

[ARCHIE]

What wonderful news to read.
Poor little one has been through so much.
Hat's off to your vet. He's seems really dedicated
Glad she is doing so well.


Hugs,

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Very good points. I was going to mention about bringing it home on your shoes too.

What it boils down too is that parasites are out there and there is nothing that can be done about that.

Treating your new puppy like an infant and getting it medical care at the first sign of trouble are keys to keeping it healthy.

Many new owners wait too long to get the puppy to the vet because they don't want the expense.

this is why when i go out i take my shoes off when i come home not to bring stuff like this home and if i go to a dog show, pet store, pet expo, etc I come home and wash my shoes i was wearing as i do not want to take any chances with my dog getting sick as i have an immune suppressed yorkie from a backyard breeder. She is hypothyroid, atopic dermatitis, mvd, and she has luxating patella in back 2 legs. She is basically a mess and has been since she was 6 months old. I paid $1300 which was not cheap. I also have a friend who searched out did all her homework and bought from one of the best breeders and paid $3,000 to get a good quality healthy dog and she ended up with a dog that had liver shunt and now has 25% use of his kidney after having the liver shunt surgery. She has spent over 25,000 on this dog. She did her homework and still ended up with problems. I also have a pet store pup as i had no clue and did not do my homework before buying a yorkie and he is healthier than my byb dog. I paid $1500. I have seen people pay $3k for a pet store pup. I do not think it is always about the money but i do think people like myself do not educate ourselves prior to getting a dog and do not research that when a dog gets sick it is going to be thousands. I have spent over 20k probably 25k plus at this point and luckily i have it. I wish i did my homework. I also have a rescue maltese who is from a show breeder and she is in the best health of all so having 3 dogs one puppy mill, one rescue/show breeder, and one byb i feel i have learned alot. My byb is AKC and i thought that was to mean i had a good quality yorkie. I found that really does not mean much as she is a mess. I understand I made a mistake in not doing my homework but i do know it is a living thing there is no guarantee even if you pay 3k plus for a yorkie but i would hope a responsible breeder is bile acid testing and not inbreeding as if we inbred humans we would have a mess so why would that be any different in a dog. The first thing my vet said when she read my byb yorkie papers was oh a little inbreeding going on here and sure enough her immune system is shot. I titer her, take her to the best doctors, specialists, holistic, dermatologist, dr jean dodds for blood work you name it she has had the best care possible and still she is a mess as I cannot change the fact that she probably was poorly bred.