PLEASE READ... Our New Yorkie Pup is Sick!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by nsleik

***PHOEBE'S UPDATE***
The news we’ve ALL been waiting for. Late last night Phoebe showed interest in food by having a single lick of Hill’s a/d food (didn’t eat it though). This was her first sign of interest in almost a week (since last Friday, 11/27). Today (12/03) the vet called to let us know she ate small pieces of hamburger and then ate a little bit of the a/d food. Things are definitely going in the right direction! He wants to keep her one more day to begin Albon treatment and make sure the vomiting and/or diarrhea don’t return. Hopefully by this time tomorrow, our little girl will be home! Thank you to everyone for ALL of your love and support through this very stressful dilemma. Please continue to pray as we still worry that she may revert back to NOT eating when she comes home. We love you all… Thank You!

wooohoooo wonderful news! I am SO happy for all of you! Go Phoebe!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by nsleik

First of all… Thank you to EVERYONE for the overwhelming number of replies and PMs. Your support and prayers mean a lot to us and little Phoebe!

Chattiesmom… Phoebe’s NapSak is the little piece of home that is with her right now (as she is STILL at the Vet’s office). The vet says, “She LOVES that thing”. Thanks for everything ;o)

Patti & Lillymae… Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately “Albon” (for Coccidia) is unavailable via IV. However, I’ll have to keep Cesar’s in mind in case she continues to not eat.

Lioncross4, chestermama, Sweet Apple, ladyjane, jnlellison, Mom to Hot Rod, Micah my love, ARCHIE, mylittlegirls, YorkieMom6, JeanieK… Thank you for ALL of your kindness and prayers. We’re sure little Phoebe is doing better because of it.

WV~Yorkies… To answer your question: Phoebe will be 14 weeks old on Friday (12/04/09).

Dwerten… Thank you for the link. Our vet did in fact conduct both pre and post bile acid tests and thankfully, they came back with “Normal” results. The test was sent out and NOT conducted in-house. He was watching her blood glucose closely to prevent another hypoglycemic attack (from her not eating/lack of interest in food). The vet suspects that her Coccidia infection is coexisting with some other more serious bacterial infection – hence the “Shift to the Left” with her white blood cells (WBCs). His tech discovered a trace amount of green discharge from her eye leading him to believe she may have a respiratory infection. After 2-3 days of antibiotics, she’s doing somewhat better.

Cerise… We appreciate your concern and taking the time to look up all the information on Coccidia. Your contributions to YorkieTalk REALLY DO mean a lot!

Sounds like you have a wonderful vet!!!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Yes it's different and since it comes from the mother's feces breeders should have their dams tested and treated. And keep her clean and in a clean environment. BYB's (amateurs) have no clue to what makes a puppy healthy. They don't do test. They just breed two AKC or whatever registry pair of dogs together and pray for healthy appearing puppies. They lie and say the puppies all checked out great from a commercial vet. They claim to be experts and say that they don't have time or associate with snobby breeders (reputable ones) because they love the breed to much for the politics of being a part of a club. They claim to breed because they LOVE the breed so much and everyone always wants one of their gorgeous puppies from their beautiful Dam and Sire. Then they make up some excuse to why the both (the parents) look shabby when you go to see the puppies...they haven't had time for the groomer lately with the pregnancy, they've been too busy, etc., etc. Knowing they don't spend that much money on their parent dogs in the first place. They use cheap food and send you home with a ziplock bag of it and a questionable vet chart for vaccinations on an eight week old puppy and sometimes younger, and sometimes a little older because the puppy hadn't sold yet.

All of this amateur stuff makes me sick!

Ditto.

[dwerten]

Great news

[YorkieMom6]

Originally Posted by nsleik

***PHOEBE'S UPDATE***
The news we’ve ALL been waiting for. Late last night Phoebe showed interest in food by having a single lick of Hill’s a/d food (didn’t eat it though). This was her first sign of interest in almost a week (since last Friday, 11/27). Today (12/03) the vet called to let us know she ate small pieces of hamburger and then ate a little bit of the a/d food. Things are definitely going in the right direction! He wants to keep her one more day to begin Albon treatment and make sure the vomiting and/or diarrhea don’t return. Hopefully by this time tomorrow, our little girl will be home! Thank you to everyone for ALL of your love and support through this very stressful dilemma. Please continue to pray as we still worry that she may revert back to NOT eating when she comes home. We love you all… Thank You!

So glad to see the positive update and hear that Phoebe is showing improvement!!

Will continue to keep you all in our thoughts and prayers!

((huggs))

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Yes it's different and since it comes from the mother's feces breeders should have their dams tested and treated. And keep her clean and in a clean environment. BYB's (amateurs) have no clue to what makes a puppy healthy. They don't do test. They just breed two AKC or whatever registry pair of dogs together and pray for healthy appearing puppies. They lie and say the puppies all checked out great from a commercial vet. They claim to be experts and say that they don't have time or associate with snobby breeders (reputable ones) because they love the breed to much for the politics of being a part of a club. They claim to breed because they LOVE the breed so much and everyone always wants one of their gorgeous puppies from their beautiful Dam and Sire. Then they make up some excuse to why the both (the parents) look shabby when you go to see the puppies...they haven't had time for the groomer lately with the pregnancy, they've been too busy, etc., etc. Knowing they don't spend that much money on their parent dogs in the first place. They use cheap food and send you home with a ziplock bag of it and a questionable vet chart for vaccinations on an eight week old puppy and sometimes younger, and sometimes a little older because the puppy hadn't sold yet.

All of this amateur stuff makes me sick!

Coccidia does not show up in the feces unless they are active within the dog. The mother could be carrying, could have had it since before the breeder even bought her, and no one would know.

Coccidia can show up in dogs coming from any kennel, including show breeders because their dogs are exposed to many other dogs. The cysts can be picked up off the ground even though the owner picked up the dogs feces and disposed of it properly.

It does not mean that the breeder does not take care of their dogs.It can be picked up in a dog park, or on a walk, anywhere where another dog has been. It can lie dormant in a dog for their entire lives. The fact is most dogs carry it. Not only dogs, other animals. They can get it from rabbit feces or deer feces.

It is a very common parasite.

You seem to bring up alot of issues here that are unrelated to the subject of parasites.

What it all boils down to is do your homework before you buy. But parasites are not necessarily indicarive of neglected dogs or filthy conditions.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by nsleik

First of all… Thank you to EVERYONE for the overwhelming number of replies and PMs. Your support and prayers mean a lot to us and little Phoebe!

Chattiesmom… Phoebe’s NapSak is the little piece of home that is with her right now (as she is STILL at the Vet’s office). The vet says, “She LOVES that thing”. Thanks for everything ;o)

Patti & Lillymae… Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately “Albon” (for Coccidia) is unavailable via IV. However, I’ll have to keep Cesar’s in mind in case she continues to not eat.

Lioncross4, chestermama, Sweet Apple, ladyjane, jnlellison, Mom to Hot Rod, Micah my love, ARCHIE, mylittlegirls, YorkieMom6, JeanieK… Thank you for ALL of your kindness and prayers. We’re sure little Phoebe is doing better because of it.

WV~Yorkies… To answer your question: Phoebe will be 14 weeks old on Friday (12/04/09).

Dwerten… Thank you for the link. Our vet did in fact conduct both pre and post bile acid tests and thankfully, they came back with “Normal” results. The test was sent out and NOT conducted in-house. He was watching her blood glucose closely to prevent another hypoglycemic attack (from her not eating/lack of interest in food). The vet suspects that her Coccidia infection is coexisting with some other more serious bacterial infection – hence the “Shift to the Left” with her white blood cells (WBCs). His tech discovered a trace amount of green discharge from her eye leading him to believe she may have a respiratory infection. After 2-3 days of antibiotics, she’s doing somewhat better.

Cerise… We appreciate your concern and taking the time to look up all the information on Coccidia. Your contributions to YorkieTalk REALLY DO mean a lot!

I've been following your thread, I'm so sorry about your lil girl. I went through the same thing with my very first yorkie. The one thing I found out by experience and a horrible one at that. Albon cannot be mixed/or taken with any other type of medication. It can throw her into shock. It happened to my Anniversary. A bit of other information Albon can be administered via injection.

Prayers for your wee one and hope that she does get to come quickly.

[ladyjane]

No, they are not indicative of bad breeding; but, let's face it, most bad breeders do have coccidia and other problems running rampant in their kennels.

And, let's also face the fact that the number of poorly bred dogs far outweigh well bred ones.

As for picking coccidia up at a dog park, honestly I don't see that happening since most healthy dogs do not get it. It is the puppies and immuno-suppressed that are most at risk. And, who is going to allow their pups to ingest the feces of other animals? The only way that will happen is if they let them run unattended.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, I realize they will not know the first time. But...the first time should give them a clue.

But, the puppies do not have to be under severe stress and/or neglected. It could be as simple as being taken from their moms and moving to a new home! They clearly get it from the carrier...and ANY stress might start it. Not fair to blame a buyer.

After the first time I believe breeders should tell people so that IF a pup shows any signs they know exactly what it is and what to do about it.

Actually the person I know imo did not buy from someone reputable...there were no checks done on the buyer...zilch, none, and no contract.

No one is blaming the buyer. And moving to a new home "is" severe stress to some puppies.

I suppose they could tell the buyer, but what good would it do if the puppy is not sick. It does no good to treat them if they are not sick? Many vets routinely test stool samples but if it is not active it won't show up in the stool either.

This is one of those things that just happen, that no one is to blame. If the new owner gets the puppy to the vet to get it treated it will be fine.

When you adopt a living thing, you should know that there is a chance that they will get sick, and they might even require expensive operations or even die. Those things are not anyones fault. It's just part of life.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I've been following your thread, I'm so sorry about your lil girl. I went through the same thing with my very first yorkie. The one thing I found out by experience and a horrible one at that. Albon cannot be mixed/or taken with any other type of medication. It can throw her into shock. It happened to my Anniversary. A bit of other information Albon can be administered via injection.

Prayers for your wee one and hope that she does get to come quickly.

I meant I do hope she gets to come home quickly

[lillymae]

Albon does not come in IV form but there is one that does , not sure what it is though. (8 yrs ago my uncle bought a chih pup , had coccidia. Took her to the vet. He gave Albon, puppy could not keep it down. Uncle called me & asked what he should do. I told him take her back to the vet tomorrow. He did , the vet kept her over the next 2 days. Called my uncle and said he could pick her up. For the next 13 days she had 3 more 2 day stays at the vet. The last time he brought her home he gave her the Albon and AGAIN she vomited. On that same day he brought her to me in the evening and I cooked chicken for her, she ate and vomited. By the next A.M. I walked into my vets office at opening time, my vet who was standing in the lobby took one look at her and grabbed her rite out of my hands and took her to the back. He came out about 6 or 8 min later , said he started her on IV and then he asked what was going on. I told him what had happened with my uncles vet and told him she has coccidia. He was FURIOUS that the vet ever let her come home the 1st time much less times 2, 3 & 4. He said there is absolutely no reason for this pup to have gotten this bad. He said to me " If this so called vet that your uncle took this dog too would have put her on IV meds from the start she would be near cured by now" Those were his words. Instead we had to euth her the next A.M. because she had developed brain damage from it. He did an autophsy on her at no charge to us, to make sure there were no underlying problems that could have been missed . He called me and said it was deff the coccidia that caused this and that she also had liver damage. He gave me a number and said " your uncle needs to call this # and turn in that vet. So now 2 points #1 there is something in IV form for coccidia and #2 because she is eating does not mean she is out of the woods yet.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No one is blaming the buyer. And moving to a new home "is" severe stress to some puppies.

I suppose they could tell the buyer, but what good would it do if the puppy is not sick. It does no good to treat them if they are not sick? Many vets routinely test stool samples but if it is not active it won't show up in the stool either.

This is one of those things that just happen, that no one is to blame. If the new owner gets the puppy to the vet to get it treated it will be fine.

When you adopt a living thing, you should know that there is a chance that they will get sick, and they might even require expensive operations or even die. Those things are not anyones fault. It's just part of life.

I agree. I just think that part of breeding...and also rescuing....is educating people. There is nothing wrong with telling someone what "might" happen. That way if something happens they are not at a total loss.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No, they are not indicative of bad breeding; but, let's face it, most bad breeders do have coccidia and other problems running rampant in their kennels.

And, let's also face the fact that the number of poorly bred dogs far outweigh well bred ones.

As for picking coccidia up at a dog park, honestly I don't see that happening since most healthy dogs do not get it. It is the puppies and immuno-suppressed that are most at risk. And, who is going to allow their pups to ingest the feces of other animals? The only way that will happen is if they let them run unattended.

That's just it, the adult dogs can pick it up and bring it home and it might never show up in them. And no one allows their puppies to ingest the feces of other animals, but they do it anyway. They can get it from digging in the dirt. they can survive anything.

Parasites are not exclusive to poor breeders. They are every where. And I do not agree that the poorly bred dogs outweigh the the well bred ones. It's like with bad children. No one pays any attention to the good ones.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I agree. I just think that part of breeding...and also rescuing....is educating people. There is nothing wrong with telling someone what "might" happen. That way if something happens they are not at a total loss.

You are probably right about that, but thing like that don't always work out the way they sholuld.

A good breeder could tell the potential buyer, and frighten them off so they go to a bad breeder who swears that his dogs do not have parasites. Guess who they will buy from.

that is why breeders require vet checks. it is the vets responsibility to advise the owners and care for the puppy, and if the puppy gets sick and they want to return it, the breeder should take it back.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

A good breeder could tell the potential buyer, and frighten them off so they go to a bad breeder who swears that his dogs do not have parasites. Guess who they will buy from.

Oh my...that actually made me laugh. But...how sad. Probably true, though.