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Old 09-29-2008, 06:42 AM   #1
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I'm so scared for Maggy May and I'm afraid I may have made things worse for her. Last Monday I could tell Maggy May started acting different, I had moved my box turtle into the house because it has gotten cold and for all the years I've had her, she refuses to hibernate, so I have a huge tank set up in my bedroom I move her to when the temps get to cold. I brought her in Monday and Maggy May was not liking it at all. She's sit in my lap and growl at Daisy (my turtle) when Daisy would come out of her cave. I figured it was going to take her some getting used to so I just hung in there with her. Well by Wednesday I wasn't sure that was the problem anymore. Maggy didn't seem to be feeling well and the only way I could get her to eat was by bringing Dottie (our German Shorthaired Pointer) into my bedroom and making a big deal out of Maggy's food. I'd give Dottie a small piece and then give Maggy a piece, it worked, Maggy May ate it and was fine. I was relieved that she was eating. Come Thursday, Maggy May wouldn't eat, I tried the same thing as the day before but it didn't work, so, off to the vet I went with Maggy May. Doc asked if anyone in the house had been sick lately and I told him yes, 3 of our kids plus my husband had been sick, our youngest had tonsilitis, was on two weeks of antibiotics for it, the other two kids and my hubby had/had sore throats, stuffed up noses, congested but didn't require antibiotics. Maggy May is a real in your face kinda girl, she loves to give kisses and more times than not, she slips her tongue into your mouth before you can get her off your face, she just loves everyone and is super quick at covering your whole face in kisses. I also explained to the vet that I had started (2 weeks prior) switching Maggy May over to Wellness Adult for small breed dogs food.) I had done it over a 2 week period of time because I didn't want to cause any tummy issues. He checked her over really good and said two things come to mind. One being that some dogs just do not do good with adult dog food at all ad requested me to switch her back to her Wellness Super 5 Mix puppy food and just leave her on that for the rest of her life. I asked if it'd hurt her and he said no, but to adjust how much I give her (which I had been doing, her waist disappeared and I was concerned she was a bit over weight, she weighs 6 pounds 13 ounces.) Anyhow, the other thing he said that concerned him was all the sickness going around in the house and he's seen in so many times with people getting sick and then their dogs end up sick. He said he didn't feel comfortable taking chances with Maggy May (she's got a very low immune system) and wanted to put her on an antibiotic. She had puked the previous Monday one time, about the size of a nickle but that was it, no more, and she was having normal bowel movements, now runny stools or anything like that. So, the doc gave her three shots of meds he was sending home with her and gave her a dose of Bene Bac. We got home and she had vomited about a nickle size of the Bene Bac up, no big deal. The meds he sent her home on was, Bene Bac (once a day) Baytril (22.7 mg once a day,) Pepcid (5mg. twice a day,) Rimadyl (25mg once a day.) She did fine Friday and Saturday, had started eating better but still not like she normally does. I was sure to give her some kayro just in case, I didn't want her sugar going low and her becoming hypoglycemic. I was also giving her water through a syringe to make sure she was getting enough. Sunday morning she has the runs a bit, that was it. Throughout the day and the evening, she vomited a total of 7 times. I started to get concerned if the Bene Bac and the Rimadyl were causing her to get sick like this, so, I called the vet to speak with them about the vomiting and to see if I could take her off those two meds. I'm awaiting a call back, the doc wasn't in when I called. The only med I have given her today was the pepcid, she's acting fine now, eating her hard kibble, not as much as she normally does but she's eating and keeping it down. She's also drinking on her own. She had a bowel movement, it was formed, soft, but formed, not runny at all. She's also urinating ok. The secrary at the vet said the Baytril could cause vomiting as well and not to give her anymore meds till they call me back. So, in waiting for a call back, I started doing some research and now I'm scared to death! I came across this about Rimadyl:

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There's good and bad writings on it but now I'm scared to death I've hurt Maggy May by giving this to her. She had a shot of it on Thursday at the vet and then I gave it to her for 3 days at home, a total of four days. What have I done? I'm so afraid I've done the wrong thing in giving this to her. Do you think she's going to be ok? I thought this drug sounded familiar but I didn't research it before I gave it to her. I was so scared cause of her being so sick I just gave the meds as directed. When I researched it today, I realized this is the same drug that was given to our boxer boy Isaiah over a year ago and it caused him to become VERY bad sick, he passed blood like a faucet from his butt. He made it through but my God, it was horrible. I normally research all the kids meds (skin and fur) before I give it to them, but I was so scared with Maggy May that I threw caution to the wind and didn't research it. We've got so much going on here and I'm at my wits end. Maggy May is sick, my son NOW has strep throat, my Uncle has MRSA, my sister is going in for a heart catherization here shortly. I've got way to much going on and all I want is for Maggy May and the rest of our family to be ok. Please, has anyone every given Rimadyl to their furkids and they were ok?
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I think she is going to be okay.

I have NO idea why a vet would prescribe Rimadyl unless the dog needs serious pain management. It isn't a drug you give just for the heck of it. There can be serious risks to it and it shouldn't be given unless there is a good reason.

That said, it has only been a few days.
She is fine now that she isn't taking it and it could've been any one of those meds causing the vomiting.

If you are really concerned about it causing problems you can ask the vet to do a blood panel and check her liver enzymes to see if the med has caused damage.

Other than that, I have no idea what the problem could be but I imagine it is just a virus or something or possibly GI issues that will need to be checked out.

I hope all goes well with her and it has been one of those terribly stressful times around here too.
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I think she is going to be okay.

I have NO idea why a vet would prescribe Rimadyl unless the dog needs serious pain management. It isn't a drug you give just for the heck of it. There can be serious risks to it and it shouldn't be given unless there is a good reason.

That said, it has only been a few days.
She is fine now that she isn't taking it and it could've been any one of those meds causing the vomiting.

If you are really concerned about it causing problems you can ask the vet to do a blood panel and check her liver enzymes to see if the med has caused damage.

Other than that, I have no idea what the problem could be but I imagine it is just a virus or something or possibly GI issues that will need to be checked out.

I hope all goes well with her and it has been one of those terribly stressful times around here too.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it was the meds making her that sick and now that I'm not giving it to her that she will be ok. He said when he checked her that she was in obvious pain, that's why he gave her a pain medication. Isn't there something safer that can be given that doesn't have THOSE kinds of side effects and isn't that dangerous to give to our furkids? She still hasn't vomited this morning, so I'm hopeful she'll be ok, but I wished she'd eat a bit more. Still no call back from the stand in vet, I wished Maggy's regular vet was in today. Hopefully she continues to improve today, if not, I'm going to talk to the vet about having a blood panel done. Thank you for taking the time to read through all that up there, I know it was a lot and I appreciate your reply.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it was the meds making her that sick and now that I'm not giving it to her that she will be ok. He said when he checked her that she was in obvious pain, that's why he gave her a pain medication. Isn't there something safer that can be given that doesn't have THOSE kinds of side effects and isn't that dangerous to give to our furkids? She still hasn't vomited this morning, so I'm hopeful she'll be ok, but I wished she'd eat a bit more. Still no call back from the stand in vet, I wished Maggy's regular vet was in today. Hopefully she continues to improve today, if not, I'm going to talk to the vet about having a blood panel done. Thank you for taking the time to read through all that up there, I know it was a lot and I appreciate your reply.
Tramadol or something else that I can't remember the spelling for can be used but aren't as good and Tramadol is sometimes used with an NSAID (like Rimadyl). Rimadyl is good for pain but other things can be tried first.
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Tramadol or something else that I can't remember the spelling for can be used but aren't as good and Tramadol is sometimes used with an NSAID (like Rimadyl). Rimadyl is good for pain but other things can be tried first.
Thank you Ellie May, I'm going to speak with my vet about this. I want to find something that doesn't have such serious side affects should any of our furkids need pain meds ever again. Part of me feels like medication is a double edged sword. I just pray she improves today. I'm not giving her the Rimadyl anymore, she doesn't seem to be in pain like she was when I took her into the vet so hopefully this is the start of her getting better. Keeping fingers crossed here.
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Did Maggy May interact in the turtle at all? While it's not common, salmonella can affect dogs, and since turtles carry it, I thought you might want to mention this to your vet. Just touching a turtle and touching something else can spread the bacteria.
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Did Maggy May interact in the turtle at all? While it's not common, salmonella can affect dogs, and since turtles carry it, I thought you might want to mention this to your vet. Just touching a turtle and touching something else can spread the bacteria.

Hope Maggy May is feeling better soon.
No, no interaction at all. I know turtles can carry that, I ALWAYS wash my hands after I've handled ANYTHING that has to do with Daisy. This day just keeps getting worse. My son just came home from school sick, soon as he got in the door he puked all over in the sink, prior to that, Maggy May just puked! If has a spec of blood in it about the size of a match tip. I spoke with the secratary at the vets, they said to with hold all meds except for the pepcid until tomorrow and see how she does. I've gotta go, gotta call the doctor for my son, thank you for your reply though, I appreciate it greatly.
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Oh my goodness, you have a lot going on with your skin family and your Maggie May! EllieMay has already given excellent advice. I too am surprised at the Rimadyl, but I think she'll be okay. How is her appetite now? If you want to give mashed potatoes (canned/sliced or fresh), that might help her tummy a little too . Poor honey, I hope she feels better soon!!
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Anyhow, the other thing he said that concerned him was all the sickness going around in the house and he's seen in so many times with people getting sick and then their dogs end up sick. He said he didn't feel comfortable taking chances with Maggy May (she's got a very low immune system) and wanted to put her on an antibiotic.
I think you should find a new vet. He should know that colds etc are not human-canine contagious. I don't think he knows what he is talking about.
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Oh my goodness, you have a lot going on with your skin family and your Maggie May! EllieMay has already given excellent advice. I too am surprised at the Rimadyl, but I think she'll be okay. How is her appetite now? If you want to give mashed potatoes (canned/sliced or fresh), that might help her tummy a little too . Poor honey, I hope she feels better soon!!
Her appetite is ok but she just can't keep anything down. I softened some of her food for her and gave her a few pieces at a time to see if she could hold it down but it was a no go. I just got back from the store a lil while ago and actually got some rice and boneless skinless chicken breast. I boiled it all, rinsed it real well and cut the chicken up in teeny tiny pieces and gave her about a teaspoon of it to see if she can hold that down. If she can, I'll give her more in a bit. She's puked more today but thank God none of it had anymore blood in it. I'm still giving kayro as a preventative and giving her tiny bits of water through the syringe throughout the day so she doesn't get dehydrated. When he checked Maggy May, she was showing signs of pain, that was his reason for giving the rimadyl. I to thought she was in pain cause of the way she was acting. I looked back over my posts here after she was spayed, she had rimadyl after her spay as well for two days. She was sick back then as well. I knew this drug sounded familiar, I just wished I would have remembered before I gave it to her this time. So far she's keeping the chicken adn rice down. Crossing my fingers and praying like crazy she'll be ok.
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Thanks so much Diggy, I sure do appreciate it. I hate when she doesn't feel well, I worry about her so much, she's such a tiny lil girl.
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I think you should find a new vet. He should know that colds etc are not human-canine contagious. I don't think he knows what he is talking about.
I think I may have came across wrong in my first post. The docs reason for putting Maggy on the antibiotics is because of the things we've had here that HAVE required antibiotics. My youngest son now has strep which is contagious. I don't question the fact that dogs can catch some things that humans have, I've seen it happen before. I've been with the same vet for years now and I really do trust his judgment. I know he was trying to relieve Maggy's pain when he prescribed the pain med, I know he'd never intentionally do anything to hurt Maggy, he was pulling for her just as much as I was when she first came to us and almost died. We lost her brother and our vet felt so horrible about that, we all fought hard to save him. Now our vet doesn't take chances with Maggy May, specially with a compromized immune system.
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Streptococcus pyogenes, the cause of "strep throat" in humans does not cause tonsillitis in dogs or cats. However, dogs and cats can acquire a transient infection with this bacterium when they are in contact with a human with strep throat. Although they do not get strep throat, they may harbor the bacterium and serve as a source of it for other human infections. As this is the case, it is suggested that dogs and cats be treated when family members have strep throat, especially if recurring infections occur in the household.

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I am so very sorry that little Maggy May is not feeling well, on top of all of your family sickness right now. Gee whiz, when it rains it pours. I hope EVERYONE in your house and family gets better very soon - I'll keep you all in my thoughts and prayers .

Just a thought - did you happen to mention to the vet that you had moved Daisy into the house. I know that turtles (and other reptiles) carry salmonella - I wonder if she has contracted that from sweet Daisy?
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